User talk:Starangel19

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That sentence was not grammatically incorrect. Drmies (talk) 23:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

January 2020

Thank you for your contributions to Rogaška Slatina, but we are trying to write an encyclopedia here, so please keep your edits factual and neutral. Our readers are looking for serious articles and will not find joke edits amusing. Remember that Wikipedia is a widely used reference tool, so we have to take what we do here seriously. If you'd like to experiment with editing, use the sandbox instead. Thank you. LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 15:50, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Rogaška Slatina. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Please review WP:NOTPROMOTION regarding your previous edit summary; Wikipedia is not a forum for (tourism) marketing or public relations.

Excuse me, but who are you to determine what should or shouldn't be on Rogaška Slatina wiki, especially because what you are doing is damaging the local economy. You are probably doing it on wiki pages of other Slovenian towns as well. Maybe, our secret service should have a talk with you as what you are doing equals washing of the dirty laundry in public. Make yourself useful you parasite and write about significant history of Rogaska Slatina, of which there is much to write about. I disagree with your damaging interventions in wikipedia and I will delete your contributions, you can report me and I will report you back. Starangel19 (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Rogaška Slatina, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. Doremo (talk) 03:27, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Rogaška Slatina. You have repeatedly claimed[1][2] that the sourced historical information you are deleting is false. Please provide a source supporting your claim. Doremo (talk) 16:01, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what is your motivation to insistently post something vile related to the past when you are damaging livelyhood of present-day people of Rogaška Slatina, who in any case most probably had nothing to do with goings on at the end of WW2. Are you even Slovenian? Who gives you the right to do it? Starangel19 (talk) 18:26, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a source supporting your repeated claim that the historical material is fabricated. It is currently the best-sourced section of the article, citing material from a prominent University of Ljubljana professor and a University of Ljubljana master's thesis. As already explained above by @LakesideMiners:, edits should be factual (source-based) and neutral (i.e., disinterested in promotion of Rogaška Slatina as a tourism destination). Doremo (talk) 18:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My point is your "academical" meddling serves noone. Not only that but it actually harms the livelihood of people of Rogaška Slatina, but I suppose that is beyond your concern, because academical excellency is paramount. It is strange that similar contributions exist on wiki pages of Slovenian towns, but only in English. So you are clearly not doing this for Slovenians out of some far-fetched noble principle, you are doing it to bring Slovenia into disrepute. You are scum. Starangel19 (talk) 18:51, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are insistently writing about burials, why don't you post an objectively written piece, not shying away from political affiliations of the "victims" or their nationality. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2385566231515744&id=1877092712363101 Starangel19 (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you are not fluent on Slovenian, you should not be writing on wikipedia for Slovenia, because you are limited only to the sources in English about Slovenia and you are not able to verify them. That doesn't sound very professional or academical. In the attached link, the last sentence clearly states that in the grave Cvetlični hrib, the Nazi occupiers already buried POWs and other unfortunates. Just because someone at the university wrote smth it doesn't mean that their research was thorough or unbiased, because as you know re-writing the history and white-washing Nazi & fascism crimes is under way in Slovenia. I guess you are one of their little helpers. Starangel19 (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1) You have been warned by multiple users to stop your disruptive editing; 2) You are continuing to vandalize the Rogaška Slatina article by removing well-sourced content without supporting your edits with sources; 3) Your summaries and comments indicate you are trying to use Wikipedia for promotion (violating WP:NOTPROMOTION); and 4) You are engaged in ad hominem attacks against other editors (calling them "scum", "parasite", and "nazi/fascism collaboration apologist"). None of this is acceptable behavior. Doremo (talk) 03:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Ad Orientem (talk) 04:01, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Ad Orientem (talk) 04:01, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Starangel19 (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocking my profile

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Starangel19 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

For reasons unknown profile user Dorem is posting poorly verified information about Slovenian history and is avoiding critical information about the political affiliation of the "victims" of WW2, essentially defending Nazis and Fascists that invaded Slovenia during WW2. The user is clearly not even Slovenian and he is not motivated to post the whole truth. Starangel19 (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Requests that only discuss the actions of others are not considered. You were not blocked for what others did, but for what you did, and that is all your unblock request should discuss. Users do not have to be of a particular nationality in order to edit about that country. Wikipedia does not deal in "truth", but in what can be verified. If you are here to be a truth fighter, you are not going to be unblocked early and your blocks will get longer if it continues. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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March 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. You are once again adding controversial claims of fact that are either poorly or completely unsourced. This needs to stop. See W:CITE, WP:V, and WP:NPOV. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It would help if any of you would actually know Slovenian. Ante Pavelić, the commander of Ustashe spent a night in Rogatec, while his units of Nazi-sympatizers were escaping towards the West. You are removing my cobtributions as un-researched but these things are common knowledge in Slovenia. The only time when Croat military units were found on the territory of Slovenia was when their Ustashe units were escaping towards the West. The one thing you have all taught me, is that this "community" definitely serves its own agenda, it is manipulating information and is most definitely not interested in the truth. https://www.slovenskenovice.si/novice/slovenija/okoli-rogaske-lezi-se-na-tone-bomb-min Starangel19 (talk) 01:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As Daniel Siter mentions in his work, all of the burial grounds have so far not been excavated, and so it is not possible to verify who the killed people were, where they came from or how many if any are there. You are quoting Siter as a matter a fact, but he explicitly mentions the fact that these presumptions have not been verified. https://repozitorij.uni-lj.si/IzpisGradiva.php?id=112813 Starangel19 (talk) 01:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you would find more satisfaction editing the Slovenian Wikipedia than the English one. Just a suggestion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you would find less opposition in editing wiki page of your home town in English. Slovenians are very patriotic and it was only a matter of time when one of us would have a bone to pick with this mass mention of "mass graves" on virtually all wiki pages of all Slovenian towns which have themselves liberated from the oppression of Fascists, Nazis and their collaborationists (Nazi-Ustashe. Foreign Nazi-apologists are posting in English claims of mass graves in Slovenia. None of you even speak Slovenian and haven't even been to Slovenia to be able to verify any of these claims. I wonder how does it feel for you to be a part of this Nazi-apologist movement, which you are clearly defending? Starangel19 (talk) 02:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you do speak Slovenian, word-search for the word Ustaši in the text of the MA thesis of Daniel Sitar, which you have all quoted. It appears 41 times, because Ustashe have been wreaking havoc in Rogaška Slatina well after the end of war. https://repozitorij.uni-lj.si/IzpisGradiva.php?id=112813 Starangel19 (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Velike Lašče, you may be blocked from editing. You are continuing to add controversial claims that are either poorly or completely unsourced. Doremo (talk) 03:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I wrote to the editor of the Rogaška Slatina, but I haven't received any reply. I am surprised at your playing coy with things that are completely clear from Slovenian perspective; you mention that I am disrupting the articles but I am only adding things that help the reader to better understand what they are reading. "Anti-communist militia" in Velike Lašče sounds very positive from a capitalist perspective, the only problem is that their allegiance was to the fascist occupiers of Slovenia as this wiki link clearly explains. https://sl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostovoljna_protikomunisti%C4%8Dna_milica

It seems to me that in the end we are going to have a problem here because you editors or administrators are basically covering up for people who are purposefully disregarding crucial information like nationality and political affiliaton from their articles. Surely, that is not very academical or in the best interest of the readers. I really cannot fathom what your objective or agenda is here, but clearly you have one. I am basically raising the alarm here and yet I am the one who is being threatened with being blocked here... In the end it will be your poorly presented work that will come under revision... Starangel19 (talk) 18:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing at the article Velike Lašče. Please read WP:WINARS to understand the problem with your edits. Multiple editors have asked you to stop adding controversial claims that are either poorly or completely unsourced. Doremo (talk) 12:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you google Vaške straže, what you get out is Prostovoljna protikoministična milica page on wikipedia, a term that you are using in English. I find it comical that you-presumably a foreigner- are convincing me-a Slovenian- that things that are common primaru school-level knowledge in Slovenia are poorly resourced. All the while you are quoting one source at best. Someone invested research into creating wikipedia site that I am rightfully quoting. My interventions in previous articles of other editors were different and I may admit that I was perhaps sometimes wrong, but not in this case. I have the right to quote wikipedia. And please, don't direct me to some impersonal wikipedia page. Explain it to me, what in your opinion am I doing wrong. You are purposefully disregarding significant information with regards to political affiliation of some of the victims, which was allegiance to the Fascist Italy which occupied the territory of Slovenia during WW2. You do realize that you are posting a manipulated historical data on international wikipedia, which could be interpreted as erroneous and slanderous and there is only a question of time, when the local population will notice and care about you doing so. You and your pals are posting macabre articles on the English wikipages of all towns in Slovenia... do you really think that is welcomed and appreciated by the locals? Starangel19 (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please, feel free to report me to the administrator. I would like to find out, what I am doing wrong, if anything. Starangel19 (talk) 14:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Doremo (talk) 14:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have presented my view of things there. Starangel19 (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have engaged in ad hominem attacks by calling editors that disagree with you "Nazi/Fascist apologists" and "Neo-Nazis and Neo-Fascists". Please review WP:PERSONAL. Doremo (talk) 16:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. But considering my disclosed arguments, I will let others to decide whether this use was just or not. You should contemplate on what I wrote and what you are doing. You are basically trying to silence someone that disclosed what you are systematically doing. Starangel19 (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discretionary Sanctions Alert

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in Eastern Europe or the Balkans. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

TomStar81 (Talk) 06:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 2021

Please stop your disruptive editing at the article Krško. Your recent edits involve editorializing. Edits should be based on reliable sources, not personal interpretations. Please note that discretionary sanctions are in effect for the topic area of Eastern Europe or the Balkans. Please also refrain from calling other editors "Nazi apologists", as you did here[3]. Doremo (talk) 12:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your translations from Slovenian to English of sources your are listing are incorrect. You state presumptions clearly expressed as presumptions in Slovenian sources as fact in your English translations, which is completely against all rules of academia. You should refrain from attempting to translate from Slovenian, because you are not very good at it at all. Please, acknowledge my edits. Some of them may have been editorial, bug they are still based in fact of the sources that you are listing and purposefully misquoting.if you refuse to acknowledge my linguistic corrections and those of content related to the sources. I will start to bypass and discredit you by adding additions under your text and start listing the same sources as you have listed them. I am Slovenian, so I know what I am talking about. You should at least learn the basics of Slovenian language before purposefully misrepresenting Slovenian history and the official sources for it. You don't own wikipedi btw. and it is absurd that a Croat is making an effort to slander another nation by trying to cover-up Croatian Nazi collaborationists' tracks and crimes by simply stating their nationality. Starangel19 (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing at the article Rogaška Slatina. In particular, please review WP:SYNTH, particularly "do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source". The section of Siter's thesis on the graves does not mention the Ustashe; it only states 1) "V jami se naj bi nahajale neznane povojne žrtve različnih narodnosti, čeravno pričevalci trdijo, da je vanje trupla umorjenih žrtev (zlasti srbskih vojnih ujetnikov in ostalih nesrečnežev) že med vojno odlagal tudi nacistični okupator.... povojno grobišče neznanih žrtev" (various nationalities, Serbian POWs, unknown); 2) "V tej jami naj bi bilo zakopanih od 18 do 20 okrutno pobitih Hrvatov" (Croatians); and 3) ".... grobišče neznano število usmrčenih hrvaških beguncev" (fleeing Croatians). It is important not to imply a conclusion that is not explicitly stated by the source. Please also review WP:NPA and stop engaging in personal attacks against other editors, as you did here [4]. Doremo (talk) 16:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the past I already had to personally intervene for you to correct your citations to match exactly what Slovenian sources are saying, because clearly your knowledge of Slovenian language, its times and conditioning leave a lot to be desired and it is clear that you are posting these macabre parts on English wikipedia with some unclear motive and with damaging effect to the present-day Slovenians and are at the same time very bias to present Croats, who were on the territory of Slovenia around the end and after WW2 as some kind of innocent tourists caught in the maelstrom if war, which they were absolutely not, they were Ustashe the Nazi-collaborationists of Croatian nationality. If it matters so much that the Croats were killed in Slovenia, why post it on English version of wikipedia? Why not post it on Slovenian or Croatian version of it. Who is this supposed to matter to? Because it is clear who it damaging now, the present-day people. Noone today cares about some Nazi-collaborators who died during WW2. It is positively laughable, if you think that and may they rot in Hell, particularly the former bloodthirsty members of the Ustashe regime, who lived by the sword and they died by the sword. I will take my time one day and go through all the mentions of Ustashe in Daniel Siter's thesis and post the most interesting bits under your article, with quotations that you like so much. Considering how biased you are, you should not be posting anywhere near wikipedia. Did you by any chance check wikipedia of numerous others towns and cities across Europe for their mention of wartime violence? Probably not, because it wouldn't serve anyone today. As they say the past is best forgotten

Starangel19 (talk) 17:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And what right do you have to delete a stated fact that Daniel Siter mentions the Ustashe 41 times? That is a fact that you can verify yourself. I strongly disagree with what you are doing. Since you are so knowledgeable about the rules of wikipedia, who do I have to contact to independently review what you are doing here? Starangel19 (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]