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Surname pronunciation is currently listed as /ˈɡrændiː/ but this is incorrect. This would cause the name to rhyme with brandy, which is not the case. The pronunciation should be /ˈɡrɑːndeɪ/ for most American English dialects. Ctymoszek (talk) 17:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:11, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Visual Capitalist

Just noting that in this edit here, I moved a statement and source describing Grande as the world's top female influencer from the lead to the body. I was looking into the source used and I'm not sure if we should give it so much weight that it appears in the lead. The source isn't listed on Wikipedia's perennial sources list, nor has it ever been discussed at the reliable sources noticeboard. The source doesn't even have its own Wikipedia article. This isn't disqualifying by any means, but for such a high profile BLP, I don't think we should give a source with undemonstrated reliability and notability so much weight as to appear in the lead. (In addition, the statement's inclusion wasn't in line with MOS:LEADNOTUNIQUE since it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the body.) Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering too. I just added it, because I saw another article using it as a source. Maybe it has it's own article, but with an other name? Mirrored7 (talk) 21:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It had an article but was deleted because it did not meet notability guidelines. I do not oppose including this in the article but I believe including it is undue for the lead. Aoi (青い) (talk) 08:29, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay! Mirrored7 (talk) 09:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can I add it back with another source, but also taken by Visual Capitalist? Mirrored7 (talk) 11:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If the statement is still relying on the Visual Capitalist, then I still have the same concerns for the same reasons I noted above. Aoi (青い) (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it is very faceless and meaningless to just have Grande's awards at the top. Grande's voice and its streaming should be illuminated more intensely at the top. It should also be noted that her life on which her music is based has drawn a lot of media attention, especially in recent years, see Manchester. I've been planning to change that for a long time. Mirrored7 (talk) 21:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Aoi, I'm waiting! Mirrored7 (talk) 08:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:There is no deadline. It's been less than 12 hours since you opened this thread so stop being a jerk. Some of us have jobs to attend to. By the way, despite this, I did open a discussion here before you left that comment. You might also want to read up on how to properly ping someone. Aoi (青い) (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I re-added the sentence about her music being the subject of widespread media attention and added that her music is also critically acclaimed. I read through the body of the article and think that the sources generally support the statement that her music is critically acclaimed. I did not re-add the statement about Grande having a 5-octave range because that statement was not supported by the article body (according to the body, she has a 4-octave range).

I also believe that, from an organizational standpoint, the statement about Grande being the "most streamed artist of all time" probably fits better in the paragraph that discusses her Spotify and Apple Music ranking. I'm not wedded to this so if there's consensus that this statement should be moved to the first paragraph, then that is fine with me. However, I think the existing structure works better both in terms of organization and comprehensibility. Aoi (青い) (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I changed four-octave to five-octave on my last edit that you reverted. It would be cool, if you could re-add it. I would agree to you on the streaming one. Mirrored7 (talk) 09:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mirrored7, I am honestly not convinced that it's noteworthy enough to include in the second sentence of the article but I can live with it. I re-added it. By the way, I would greatly appreciate it if you could please take a look at WP:THREAD and familiarize yourself with how to use indentation to make talk page discussions more readable for other users. Aoi (青い) (talk) 09:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aoi, got it! Mirrored7 (talk) 10:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I hope someone else is amused by the irony of this reply. Aoi (青い) (talk) 10:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The IPA pronunciation of the last name is wrong. Her last name should not be pronounced "grand dee." The correct pronunciation should be "ˈɡrɑːndeɪː/;" MeumInfernum (talk) 4:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)