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Subheadings needed: Education, Career, Festival Acts, influences, subject matter, (see infobox)

The above areas of info would be great to add.
Also please see the infobox & fill in any areas you have reliable information on.
And please include any citations or references at the bottom.
Thanks very much.--Tyranny Sue (talk) 06:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Offtopic

I removed some information because it was offtopic.[1] Since it was not about a standup show, it did not belong in the Standup section. Perhaps it could be salvaged if it was put in a more appropriate section but I could not think of a suitable way to reorganise that information at this time.

Maybe her dissatisfaction with Netflix is worth mentioning in a different way. Or maybe, since the point of her statement was that she objected to Ted Sarandos dragging her into the discussion and using her a shield, and as this is supposed to be an encyclopaedia article about her life, the biography of a living person, maybe it would be better not to mention it at all.
Similarly, maybe it is worth mentioning that Dave Chapelle made a joke that "Gadsby is not funny" or maybe it is not appropriate to present a joke in that way in her biography when that issue has already been addressed in a neutral way by the text: some critics said Nanette was "not comedy but a lecture". (Not being funny does not make her show any less a significant piece of work.)

Out of an abundance of caution and to show respect for this as an encyclopaedic article about a real person, I removed the information. If other editors want to add it back I urge them to do so respectfully and to also try to present it in an appropriate way under a relevant section. -- 109.78.209.61 (talk) 12:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note WP:NYPOST reference should not be restored and there are plenty of other sources available if editors believe it is appropriate to include the Chappelle joke.[2][3][4] -- 109.78.209.61 (talk) 13:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment, Chappelle never directly said she wasn't funny. He listed as a demand that anyone who speaks with him has to "admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny". So it's a bit indirect. And whether or not he was doing a bit or not is up to interpretation. CaffeinAddict (talk) 18:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't say if you thought it should be included or not (either her complaints about Sarndos/Netlfix or Chapelle's joke). Gadsby didn't "directly" insult Chappelle either, she indirectly referred to his "his emotionally stunted partial world view"[5] she had to know her statement was likely to provoke a response. Chappelle was on stage performing a comedy show, so of course he was doing a bit. I'm sure he said it primarily because it was funny, it is also possible that he may have seen Gadsby's lectures and found parts to be funny, clever, or interesting, we may never know, but it was clearly a joke. More importantly if people can take this seriously and remember this is a biographical article about a real person, and also that there are already ways to reasonably highlight that various critics (not just Chappelle) thought she was not funny, then we can stay on topic and try to make this a better encyclopedia. So while I did not think the joke should have been included in the article the way it was presented, or at all probably, there may yet be a way for a serious editor to include it if presented carefully and in an appropriately neutral way. -- 109.78.208.59 (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that from an encyclopedic standpoint that the great deal of people who have said Hannah Gadsby is not funny shouldn't be included because they were not newsworthy. As the Chappelle commentary back and forth between the two are newsworthy, wikipedia is also WP:NOTNEWS and shouldn't be treated as such. The fact that the mainstream media is also recording the comments Chappelle most recently made out of context as "CHAPPELLE SAYS GADSBY IS NOT FUNNY" speaks to how in general the entire controversy surrounding this and that and especially The Closer goes to show how much of this is not entirely encyclopedic. CaffeinAddict (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of casting aspersions by questioning other editors "good judgment" how would you improve the article? In what way do you think it could be included appropriately? (As CaffeinAddictit rightly said Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, WP:NOTNEWS. It can be newsworthy but be offtopic for a biography article in an encyclopedia.) As I said above it was in entirely the wrong section and it was using a source that was not recommended when so many other sources were readily available. We also have to be careful to avoid WP:UNDUE emphasis even if we do include it. On balance I could not think of a good way to fix it and I thought the fair thing was to leave it out but I also made sure to clearly explain my decision on the Talk page so if other editors could think of a better way to do things it could be added again. So WP:GOFORIT, but be WP:CAREFUL too. -- 109.78.208.59 (talk) 02:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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