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Many of our articles link to 'Finnic peoples' with a much broader scope than just the Baltic Finns. — kwami (talk) 04:24, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is incorrect

Volga Finns, Saami people and Permic people are not Finnic peoples. They do not speak Finnic languages. The creation of this page is incorrect. Finnic peoples are a synonym for Baltic Finns. These changes should be reverted. "Baltic Finns" should be renamed back to Finnic peoples, as it has previously been. Blomsterhagens (talk) 22:29, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They are Finnic depending on which country you're in. We have room for more than one article. — kwami (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Finnic peoples is a broad concept, not an ambiguous term.

This is a followup to yesterday's discussion at Blomsterhagens' talk page.

It seems to me that Finno-Ugric peoples covers the broader group, and as someone will surely eventually suggest that Finnic peoples should be a WP:Broad-concept article rather than a disambiguation page, then maybe we should just redirect Finnic peoples to Finno-Ugric peoples. wbm1058 (talk) 20:36, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

In this spirit, I have history-merged Baltic Finns (back) into Finnic peoples (revisions up to 19:21, 4 December 2015).

The previous version of Finnic peoples was redirected out of existence, to Baltic Finns, with the rationale "this entire article is a one-man crusade to create his own imaginary "ethnic" or whatever group. please anyone with time and expertise, interfere".

The problem is, if you live in Finland, you think in the context of Finnic peoples meaning Baltic Finnic peoples, but Russians think in the context of Volga Finns.

I suggest reverting to this 03:18, 24 April 2012 version, and then improving it. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Wbm1058: Done. How does that look? I removed some of the more crufty bits and details that are repeated in the main articles. — kwami (talk) 22:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For other readers: a large number of sources, especially those concerning Russia, refer to Finnic peoples without further specifying which they are. They may be Baltic, or Volgaic, or Permic, but often will subsume more than one, and in any case it would often be OR for us to disambiguate. This article provides a link target for such mentions. — kwami (talk) 03:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this change and the creation of a larger-scope article. Thanks. --Blomsterhagens (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys for fixing this! Termer (talk) 22:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]