Talk:LGBT pride

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Change from “Gay pride” to just “Pride”. This is not a celebration of homosexuals. Change from LGBT to LGBTQI+. Pride is about inclusivity and limiting to just the four main stereotypical sexualities is not the ethos of pride. 77.98.38.57 (talk) 18:21, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. (Also, the Pride article already exists with that name.) Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 18:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gay pride in other months

Until recently gay pride was also celebrated in November in SC. I don't know why. I just know I performed at a Gay Pride Festival Brunch right after Halloween a few years ago. Trixie Bizarre (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would be interesting if someone could find a suitable source for when and how the notion of a "Pride Month" became established, rather than different pride events happening on different dates throughout the year. It is certainly not a worldwide phenomenon (contrary to many US websites who don't bother to check), and the article currently just says it "occurs", as though it's a force of nature. Was Clinton's declaration in 1999 based on an existing concept promoted by US pride groups? - IMSoP (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think Pride month should have its own article

I think pride month should have its own article because it isn’t exclusively a gay thing anymore.CycoMa (talk) 03:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 September 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, though feel free to submit a WP:MR (non-admin closure) Invinciblewalnut (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gay pride → LGBTQ pride – Pride is about all of LGBTQ, not just gay people. Aalaa324 (talk) 17:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Havelock Jones (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Aalaa324: Can you demonstrate that LGBTQ pride is the WP:COMMONNAME? EvergreenFir (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://prideinlondon.org/ https://www.loc.gov/lgbt-pride-month/about/ https://youth.gov/feature-article/june-lgbt-pride-month https://www.adl.org/education/resources/tools-and-strategies/lgbtq-pride-month-and-education-resources https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/06/01/a-proclamation-on-lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender-and-queer-pride-month-2021/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1553118X.2020.1750017

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but it should probably be consistent with the main page on the general topic (the page LGBT), so it should probably be "LGBT pride". And if the main page LGBT ever gets moved to LGBTQ, THEN it'd make sense to put the Q in the other page titles. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Given common usage is just pride perhaps 'Pride (LGBT)' is best?—blindlynx (talk) 19:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Agree with blindlynx. The WP:COMMONNAME is just "Pride", e.g. Pride flag, Pride parade, San Francisco Pride. I like "Pride (LGBT)" for disambiguation. –Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 12:38, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weaker-than-average oppose - while usage of the term "gay pride" certainly encompasses the entire LGBTQ community, this still appears to be the common name. This very likely won't be true in the future; however, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Bneu2013 (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now per WP:COMMONNAME. "Gay pride" is about 20 to 40 times more frequent than LGBT pride in books (LGBTQ pride is the lowest of the lot). LGBTQ pride is steadily increasing, but Gay Pride is far more frequent, even in the most recent sources. Maybe one day, but not yet. Mathglot (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "Gay pride" is by far the WP:COMMONNAME of this topic. feminist (+) 13:51, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Mathglot. Gay Pride is the common name, even though I personally think LGBT pride would be more encompassing. Isabelle ^🔔 13:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative I really think it should be moved to Pride (LGBT) and just have the common names listed in the LEAD (also known as gay pride, LGBT pride, queer pride, etc.) ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 22:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Mathglot's analysis + WP:TOOSOON. Crossroads ^-talk- 05:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pride (LGBT). The overwhelming common name in modern usage is neither Gay pride or LGBT pride, but simply pride, as can be seen at Pride parade and the vast majority of individual events in Category:Pride parades. Outside of a historical context or the few events that specifically use the phrase, gay pride feels very dated.--Trystan (talk) 13:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pride (GSRD) or Pride (LGBTQI). Taylor 49 (talk) 19:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The term "gay pride" has been the term of choice for the first 30 of the 50 years of gay pride history. After about the year 2000 there were other terms, but none have been as popular as gay pride. Also, internationally, the term "gay" is a lot easier to translate across languages and culture than the term "LGBT", so there are many non-English speakers who recognize the term "gay" when the acronym "LGBT" is just too much to translate. The term LGBT is popular now, but it also is under pressure as a new term, just as GLBT was the more popular letter order before and LGBTQ is gaining in popularity now. The best term may change in the future but I do not think now is the time for changing it for pride events. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, although I would weakly support Pride (LGBT) as an article title too. "Gay pride" is more common than "LGBT pride" doing a quick search, but I think that "Pride" without a qualifier is used more often (although it's difficult to do a search for this online). Strongly oppose Pride (GSRD) or Pride (LGBTQI) as per longstanding community consensus on using 'LGBT' on LGBT-related articles on Wikipedia (this may change to 'LGBTQ' in the future, but GSRD is too much of a neologism and LGBTQI is not as commonly used). —AFreshStart (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Giant criticism section

I get that this is a controversial subjects and criticism should be mentioned, but fringe should not be over represented and the main article for gay pride should not be overwhelmed with these fringe views in opposition to it without some balance. overall, the section seems pointless at times and over bearing in detail.