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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Universe Party

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Fails WP:GNG — 07 ● 💬 17:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 12:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mümtaz Turhan Social Sciences High School of Istanbul

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The article has been un-referenced since at least 2015, I couldn't find anything in a WP:BEFORE when I looked except a few trivial name drops in a couple of blogs, and high schools are not inherently notable. So I'm nominated this article for deletion. That said, I don't speak Turkish. So there could be references out there that I just missed due to not speaking the language. Adamant1 (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 12:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

E.C.A. Elginkan Anadolu Lisesi

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The article has been un-referenced since at least 2011, I couldn't find anything in a WP:BEFORE that works for notability, and high schools are not inherently notable. So I'm nominating this for deletion on the grounds that it fails WP:GNG and/or WP:NORG. Adamant1 (talk) 08:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 12:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adnan Menderes Anadolu Lisesi

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The only reference in the article is a dead link to the schools website. I couldn't find anything in a WP:BEFORE that would work for notability either. Nor are high schools inherently notable. So I'm nominating this for deletion. Adamant1 (talk) 08:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman (region)

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This stub was created by a blocked user under the original title Ottoman Turkestan, which, now as a redirect, was just deleted by Liz as being incoherent. The current title is similarly incoherent, much the same as if someone were to create Roman region or Mughal region. If a "region" such as this truly exists, it is already covered under Ottoman Empire, making this stub WP:REDUNDANT. Havradim leaf a message 15:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 15:49, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ayşegül Coşkun

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As an actor or singer does not have the necessary fame. A credible source has not addressed this person and his works have not received much attention from the media and sources. Needs further investigation. Persia ☘ 11:32, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Motarab Motreb is not the best-selling film in Iran.
  • There is no source in the article related to hamshahrionline in the article.
  • This person was not present in the original version of Behet Ghol Midam, and when Behet Ghol Midam was one of the most popular songs in Iran
  • The Persian sources that have dealt with this person are not reliable sources
    • etemadonline - Only one photo and one headline have been worked on and the news is about a project for the future and has not been made yet
    • borna - Collaborating with this person on Behet Ghol Midam is more about the song itself.

--Persia ☘ 12:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to lie, some Turkish sources, with the exception of a few interviews, look good. ~StyyxTalk? ^-^ 12:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
tr:Ayşegül Coşkun was deleted in 30 January 2020, two years ago, and not even for being not-notable. Criteria M8 implies that articles may be deleted if they are not written in wikicode and if the article either has a lot of false information or isn't in Turkish. Criteria M6 would be the red flag (non-notable), but that isn't the case here. ~StyyxTalk? ^-^ 14:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Motarab [sic] is not the best-selling film in Iran. See List of highest-grossing Iranian films for yourself. The nominator is just lying and abusing language barrier. 4nn1l2 (talk) 12:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That movie is still running. And you are missing the point. Being the first or the second, what's the difference here? You can't deny that Motreb was highly popular in Iran and was a success at box office. 4nn1l2 (talk) 14:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep based solely on my analysis of Turkish sources. The Önce Vatan source is an interview, and cannot be used to establish notability. Haber61 isn't reliable, and I still stand by my comment made here regarding "Kimdir?" sources. The Akşam source is also an interview. Milliyet is reliable and independent, but this particular source consist of a single sentence, which is far from significant. The Sabah source is reliable and independent, and meets the bare minimum requirement of being significant, which I think is four sentences. The Hürriyet source is without a doubt the best of all: reliable, independent and significant. It does repeat what she says in one paragraph, but the remaining seven sentences are enough. Gazete Vatan is reliable and independent, however the source only consists of three sentences, one of which repeats the subject. I won't make a comment on Persian sources, as they are written in a different script that I do no not understand, but I guess it's fair to assume that there is at least one good source? Though again, my !vote is only based on what I see from Turkish sources without including this assumption. ~StyyxTalk? ^-^ 14:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Styyx: Thanks for your useful comment. I found other Turkish sources too: 1 from Star, 2 about her music by magazinci.com, 3 from Hürriyet, 4 and 5 from Milliyet, 6 from Posta, 7, and 8. These must be enough for you to change your !vote from "weak keep" to "keep". But if you are still unsure, I will try to find other Turkish sources. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:50, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What the text in bold says isn't actually that much important as long as the provided argument makes sense. However with the second Hürriyet source above, I think this is a clear GNG pass. ~StyyxTalk? ^-^ 18:58, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Guyana–Turkey relations

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Fails WP:GNG. Most bilateral relations occur in a multilateral context eg Turkey-CARICOM. Most of the sources merely confirm non resident ambassadors/honorary consul. LibStar (talk) 23:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feyzullah Aktürk

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Not nearly enough in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources to pass GNG, and doesn't meet NSPORTS. Onel5969 TT me 23:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting that consists solely of sports results and an article about the state of Turkish wrestling do not constitute significant coverage of this particular individual. Papaursa (talk) 23:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It does, if the individual is a major part of the articles.

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www-milliyet-com-tr.translate.goog/skorer/feyzullah-akturkten-altin-madalya-2886462?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp Yes Yes No Routine youth sports reporting: "According to the statement made by the Turkish Wrestling Federation, 97 kilosFeyzullah Akturk, defeated Moldovan Radu Lefter by pin and became the owner of the gold medal." ✘ No
https://www-fanatik-com-tr.translate.goog/feyzullah-akturkten-bronz-madalya-2082184?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp Yes Yes No Routine youth sports reporting: "National athlete Feyzullah Aktürk won the bronze medal in the men's freestyle 97 kilos at the World Youth Wrestling Championship. The national wrestler won the bronze medal by defeating his Chinese rival Reheman Rusidanmu, who came from repechage after his US and Ukrainian rivals, with the point key (11-1)." ✘ No
https://www-fanatik-com-tr.translate.goog/feyzullah-akturk-bronz-madalya-icin-yarisacak-2012461?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp Yes Yes No Routine youth sports reporting: "In the World Youth Wrestling Championship, national athlete Feyzullah Aktürk won the bronze medal match. At the World Junior Wrestling Championship held in Slovakia, national athlete Feyzullah Aktürk won the bronze medal match. Feyzullah Aktürk lost his chance to play for the gold medal by losing to Russian Magomedkhan Magomedov in the semi-final match of 97 kg. The national athlete will face his opponent from the repechage in the third place match." ✘ No
https://www.milliyet.com.tr/skorer/feyzullah-akturk-dunya-ucuncusu-oldu-2495473 Yes Yes No Routine youth sports reporting: "National wrestler Feyzullah Aktürk, who hit the mat at 120 kg, defeated Bulgarian rival Daniel Milanov Veselinov 3-0 in his first match, and lost 3-1 to Iranian Naeiim Rahim Hassanzadeh in the quarterfinals. Playing in the repechage match after his opponent made it to the final, the national athlete won the bronze medal by defeating Polish Jakub Brylewski 2-0 and in the fight for third place, Mongolia's Erdenetulga Davaadorj 3-0." ✘ No
https://www.haberturk.com/kahramanmaras-haberleri/93079462-turkiye-serbest-gures-sampiyonasi-sona-erdiagir-siklette-feyzullah-akturk-altin-madalyanin Yes Yes No Routine sports reporting: " In the heavyweight division, Feyzullah Aktürk won the gold medal in the 92 kilograms category," ✘ No
https://www-trtspor-com-tr.translate.goog/haber/diger-sporlar/gures/akturk-lapsekide-ciceklerle-karsilandi-246678.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp Yes Yes No 4 sentences about his winning a medal and being congratulated by a mayor, plus a quote from the mayor. ✘ No
https://www.haberler.com/kirkpinar-baspehlivanlarindan-feyzullah-akturk-14263866-haberi/ Yes Yes No 4 sentences about his winning a medal and being congratulated by a mayor, plus a quote from the mayor. ✘ No
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/sports/turkey-wins-1-gold-7-bronze-in-junior-world-wrestling/1559245 Yes Yes No Name listed among others ✘ No
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Coverage is exclusively routine and offers nothing in any depth (or even anything more than 4-5 brief sentences reporting match results). Fails GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 05:20, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I don't really like these source assessment tables. Just because something is presented more elaborately, it doesn't make it true. The only point that the table makes is that the coverage of this person in RS is WP:ROUTINE, but there is no actual argument to back up this assertion - no, providing quotes doesn't make this an argument and just the fact that scores are reported doesn't mean that this is routine coverage. In fact, I would say that the coverage is explicitly non-routine e.g. looking at Milliyet's coverage of the World Junior Wrestling Championships, we see that they do not routinely report on this event, but only choose to report when there is a notable accomplishment by a Turkish national. The coverage is not there because Milliyet routinely reports on this tournament, it is there because Aktürk had a newsworthy accomplishment. This is the case for all the other news articles, and it is possible to weave together a decent, well-sourced biography using these sources. Remember that WP:ROUTINE covers "Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it" - I don't see evidence of such planned coverage here. I also fail to see how these articles don't meet WP:SIGCOV - there is clearly no need for original research to extract information about the individual, and there is definitely more than a trivial mention of the person in these articles; his accomplishments are the main focus. I am also easily able to find other sources e.g. [2] - note that Aktürk won the Kırkpınar Wrestling Tournanment (which has been held for over 600 years) and earned the title of başpehlivan, which is the most prestigious title in Turkish wrestling. I know this isn't in NSPORTS (although I don't truly see a difference from e.g. College Football Hall of Fame), but it does indicate that further sources are highly likely to be found. --GGT (talk) 14:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I appreciate your giving such a thorough response. The quoted text in the table constitutes the entirety of the text on Akturk in a source, not just a snippet of it, and in most of the articles his performance is mentioned alongside that of all other Turkish competitors. SIGCOV is not achieved with three-sentence tournament recaps, and certainly not with the single sentence on him in Millyet (this is especially true for media coverage of youth athletics, which have stricter notability requirements). The Haberturk article you linked is syndicated ("All Çanakkale news, which is covered by Anadolu Agency, DHA, İHA, is included in this section as it comes automatically from the agency channels, without any editorial intervention by Haberturk.com editors") from the same İHA source as the penultimate two sources in the table. It is local routine signing coverage, and the lack of a byline additionally suggests it is a press release (other AA/İHA articles name the author). Syndicated articles are not intellectually independent of each other; a local paper changing the original news agency headline to highlight a local athlete's performance doesn't suddenly make the coverage non-routine or make him the main focus of an article. JoelleJay (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for a detailed reply. The bottom line regarding SIGCOV is that there is no need for original research to extract the content from the article and that it is a non-trivial mention. WP:SIGCOV explicitly states that we are not looking for him to be the main focus of the article - we're definitely not expecting a biographical treatise, and there is no arbitrary cutoff for the number of sentences needed to count as SIGCOV. Of course I'm not denying the brevity of the coverage in each individual source, but there is enough of it across various sources to weave together a good biography without any original research, entirely based upon reliable and independent sources - and that's all we need to clear GNG. Sports articles by Turkish news agencies do not regularly feature author names, so I disagree that this suggests that it is a press release in this instance; on the other hand, it does indicate a judgement of newsworthiness by a national news agency. Local wrestling signups aren't usually picked up by national news agencies as far as I can tell. I should finally note that I'm not too comfortable with the liberal use of copyrighted quotes in this discussion. They're not necessary to make the point and the amount quoted for some articles constitutes a rather significant part of the original work. I'm not convinced that these quotes can be regarded as fair use, so I suggest that you remove them. --GGT (talk) 00:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So, I realize there is a lot of interpretation as to what SIGCOV means, and I think it's helpful to look at it in the context of the NSPORT guidelines as well as the consensus across other athlete AfDs. Firstly, it is extremely difficult for youth competitors to meet NSPORT, particularly because achievements at the youth level are almost never considered encyclopedic (else we would have articles on every Little League World Series player right off the bat sorry). Nothing beyond brief mentions of his final results would be WP:DUE in an article on Akturk, not that there was much more info on him in any of the news reports anyway. And, per WP:YOUNGATH, NONE of those sources could contribute to notability: High school and pre-high school athletes are notable only if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage... The second clause... especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability (emphasis mine).
    Secondly, there are millions of people who do not meet any sport-specific notability guideline (SSG) but DO appear in a tremendous number of signing/transfer/draft/injury articles. If this was sufficient for SIGCOV the criterion for meeting basically every SSG would be "college athlete, or varsity HS athlete at a highly-ranked institution". But the community has come to the consensus that such material is not SIGCOV, and that is why sports scores (which is exactly what the first 5 sources are; they are strictly relaying the match outcomes announced to press agencies by the Turkish Wrestling Federation) are explicitly mentioned in WP:ROUTINE.
    Regarding the AA agency link you provided, both the article and its picture are bylined: Suha Gur and Serhat Çağdaş, respectively. National news agencies have local chapters where material of local interest is reported, often directly from PR groups ; the IHA article on Akturk meeting a mayor is specifically curated in "Local News -- Canakkale", alongside an announcement that the president of a regional amateur sports league was reelected as its chairman and a report of someone being detained for growing marijuana (with a picture of the seized goods and adorable "[s]ensitive-nosed drug-seeking dog 'Roket'"). JoelleJay (talk) 05:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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