Talk:Hasan Piker

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 March 2021 and 2 April 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sevs2001.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 22:09, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

This page should not be speedy deleted because...

He's a notable political commentator (like his (ex)TYT colleagues Cenk and Ana) and Twitcher. --Unreal7 (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, this article is has been expanded and have addressed previous deletion reasons and issues and notability, improved, added references. Panda619 (talk) 14:54, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I have restored the tag, Panda619 as the creator (yes, you are the creator since you removed the redirect) you may not remove it. An admin needs to evaluate this. Praxidicae (talk) 15:14, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

No, I am not the creator just because I removed a redirect that you placed for no good reason and also now I will remove the G4 tag since WP:G4 says "It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies". Panda619 (talk) 15:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

You are the creator, as you created the bulk of the content.[1]. Praxidicae (talk) 15:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I expanded it from Draft:Hasan Piker that already existed, Which I should I have moved the draft to mainspace, but I forgot about the move and just copied the content to mainspace. Panda619 (talk) 15:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Redirect restored

Per Praxidicae's nomination of this article for speedy deletion under criterion WP:G4, I have restored the redirect; consider this effectively a G4 deletion of the recreated article. I do not see any new WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources that did not exist at the time of the AfD, and I see no new claims to notability that weren't in the AfD version. The closest thing I saw was the addition of the "Shorty Awards," and that just namechecked him as a member of TYT, which doesn't establish notability for him independent of TYT. Please do not restore this article without going through WP:AFC to propose a new version. If this article continues to be recreated without improvement I will protect the redirect. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:19, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2020

In the third paragraph of the "Twitch" section, the sentence "On October 19, 2020, U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recruited Piker and Pokimane to organize and play Among Us with her on Twitch for the "Get out the vote" initiative." is written. The use of the term "recruited" has militaristic connotations, so changing the sentence to something akin to "On October 19, 2020, Piker collaborated with Pokimane and U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez by playing Among Us on Twitch together for the "Get out the vote" initiative.". This uses more neutral language and has already been done on Pokimane's Wikipedia page. 85.229.187.66 (talk) 13:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 14:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Should there be added context to Hasan Pikers 9/11 comments. Because it seems now that the comments are taken out of a significant context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartielomew (talk • contribs) 10:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

At the very least, the full context sans expletives should be used, which would be, "America deserved 9/11, {...} Like we totally brought it upon ourselves dude" as his comments are referring to the fact that the 9/11 terror attacks were a direct result of american foreign policy. The follow up of, "Look at the way that this dipshit is running his fucking mouth, justifying genocide right now," is relevant as well, but I'm not sure of the best way to work it in, and that lengthens the quote quite a lot. See here Yakri (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

References

New Photo

This photo is really low quality--I see that it's literally a screenshot from a YouTube video. What are our options for a better photo? Are we limited to photos taken by Wikipedians? Are we allowed to try for a better YouTube or Twitch screenshot? How do the copyrights work on those within Wikipedia? Leopard of the Snows (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Leopard of the Snows: We're limited to images released under a free license. The current image came from a freely licensed video; if there are more such videos we can take another screenshot, or we might be able to find an actual photo someone has taken and released under a creative commons license, but I've had a quick search and turned up nothing unfortunately. Sam Walton (talk) 20:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Move 9/11 remarks to new controversy section?

I think the paragraph on Piker's 9/11 remarks might be better suited to a "Controversies" section. What do you all think? Leopard of the Snows (talk) 04:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not too fussed about this but here's my thinking--a controversies section might separate the 9/11 comments from the overview of his career in a meaningful way. If someone is unfamiliar with Piker's work then the incident might seem indicative of his career, whereas if it's in a dedicated Controversies section then there's a little more context that suggests it's not representative of his career. As far as I can tell, however, most other Wikipedia pages just leave controversies under career, but if anyone agrees with my intuition here then we can change it. For now I'm going to leave it as is. Leopard of the Snows (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I am here once again to discuss this with myself. I've seen on other Wikipedia pages that editors are hesitant to create a "Controversies" section because it potentially encourages future editors to compile all controversial events, so let's just leave the 9/11 comments under "Career" unless Piker has so many varying controversies that he becomes known as a controversial figure and needs a dedicated section. Thank you, myself, for discussing this with me. Leopard of the Snows (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with your final conclusion here :) I think we're often too quick to jump for a 'controversies' section when it's not warranted. Sam Walton (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Turkish-American?

Would it be more correct to mark Piker as being "Turkish-American" under nationality? What are Wikipedia's rules on this? Leopard of the Snows (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

As far as what has been discussed before, it seems Hasan was born in the US making him an American citizen and then moving to Turkey later on. His nationality remains American in the lead as that is his disclosed nationality as far as what we know now. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 20:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

news article which could possibly be incorporated into this wiki article

https://kotaku.com/the-gamers-of-the-year-2020-1845965574 TovarishhUlyanov (talk) 20:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Done! I've incorporated it into a new "Reception" section. I was considering including a section like this already, since a number of sources have all written approvingly of similar aspects of Piker's work. Since patterns of opinion have emerged across these sources, I felt they warranted including in this article about him, and this new kotaku source fits into that nicely. Leopard of the Snows (talk) 21:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

A quick note on Piker's birthplace

There have been a few edits regarding Piker's birthplace. From what I can see, the Cosmo feature does say Piker was born in Turkey, but New York Times feature from November 2020 says he was born in New Jersey and raised in Turkey. The Politico profile says he was born in New Brunswick, specifically. If you wish to edit Piker's birthplace, please provide another source that suggests he was born in Turkey, otherwise your edit will be reverted. Leopard of the Snows (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2021

Change age from 29 to 30 DLightOToko (talk) 21:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The reference does not mention the age of Hasan Piker within it. Terasail^[✉️] 23:31, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Improper reversion by Panda619

On 20 August 2021, User:Panda619 improperly reverted my contribution. As I stated in my edit summary when adding this content, per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, The Daily Beast "is considered generally reliable for news" and The Daily Dot "is considered generally reliable for Internet culture." I request consensus to restore my contribution. Basketcase2022 (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

To anyone reading this, there is also this source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hasan-piker-twitch-criticism-home-b1906619.html . I am not interested in writing about this particular drama but it has become notable by Wikipedia's standards and I agree that this particular reversion was improper. Astral Shepherd (talk) 00:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Banning from Twitch

Hi SrAlfredos, I want to explain my edit here. I think that the sentence should probably be deleted per Wikipedia:Too much detail. Why is it important that two - as you have said - non notable individuals were banned for the same thing as Piker? How does that relate to Piker? Information added to the article should relate to the person's notability and this seems excessive. Pabsoluterince (talk) 06:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Change to the title description

The correct formatting and in accordance with examples, the description should not include the date of birth. Please consider removing the date of birth from the description. Live405 (talk) 12:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 14:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Fix alignment of ‘Twitch Information’

Fix alignment of Infobox section to match ‘YouTube information’. Thain97 (talk) 08:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 Question: How? Pabsoluterince (talk) 16:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Controversy section revision?

I have to agree on a need of a “Controversies” section. The current format is inconvenient for those who need quick access to the information, particularly regarding the Twitch bans. I could see it being more digestible if the controversies were ordered from oldest - newest, as well as some more recent updates that were put out on the behalf of Twitch. Overall the controversies need more context, as well as a glimpse of public reception. 2001:569:7E1F:8100:FDA9:FEF5:6BCB:28B4 (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC)