Template talk:Cite web/German

Style

This template currently does not match the output of other citation templates. It would be fairly easy to use {{cite web}} as a meta-template so this would render in the same style. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very happy to tweak the output if that helps conformity here, we just need to leave the input to conform with de.wiki so we don't screw up the transfer of data from there. --Bermicourt (talk) 11:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now in {{Internetquelle/sandbox}}:

Markup Renders as

{{Internetquelle | url=http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/02/03/blank/key/01/zustand_und_entwicklung__tabelle.html | titel=Zustand und Entwicklung der Bodennutzung - Arealstatistik 1979/85 und 1992/97 | hrsg=Bundesamt für Statistik | datum=2010 | zugriff=2010-06-03}}

"Zustand und Entwicklung der Bodennutzung - Arealstatistik 1979/85 und 1992/97" (in German). Bundesamt für Statistik. 2010. Retrieved 2010-06-03. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |trans_title=, |day=, |month=, and |deadurl= (help)

{{Internetquelle | url=http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0004646 | titel= The Canadian Encyclopedia – Lester B. Pearson College of the Pacific | sprache=en |zugriff=2010-06-02}}

"The Canadian Encyclopedia – Lester B. Pearson College of the Pacific". Retrieved 2010-06-02. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |trans_title=, |day=, |month=, and |deadurl= (help)

Sandbox

Markup

Renders as

{{Internetquelle/sandbox | url=http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/02/03/blank/key/01/zustand_und_entwicklung__tabelle.html | titel=Zustand und Entwicklung der Bodennutzung - Arealstatistik 1979/85 und 1992/97 | hrsg=Bundesamt für Statistik | datum=2010 | zugriff=2010-06-03}}

"Zustand und Entwicklung der Bodennutzung - Arealstatistik 1979/85 und 1992/97". Bundesamt für Statistik. 2010. Retrieved 2010-06-03.

{{Internetquelle/sandbox | url=http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0004646 | titel= The Canadian Encyclopedia – Lester B. Pearson College of the Pacific | sprache=en |zugriff=2010-06-02}}

"The Canadian Encyclopedia – Lester B. Pearson College of the Pacific". Retrieved 2010-06-02.

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Copied over part of the documentation. Template now supports several parameters that the previous version did not support. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

`|hrsg=` rendered as `|work=`. Should it be `|publisher=` instead?

An example from Ram Sharan Sharma:

Citation:

Renders as: Krishna Mohan Shrimali. "Ram Sharan Sharma: The People's Historian". The Marxist, XXVII 4, October–December 2011. Communist Party of India (Marxist). Retrieved 2013-12-16. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |trans_title=, |day=, |month=, and |deadurl= (help)

**Current**
Markup	Renders as
{{Internetquelle\|autor=Krishna Mohan Shrimali\|hrsg=Communist Party of India (Marxist)\|titel=Ram Sharan Sharma: The People’s Historian\|url=http://www.cpim.org/content/ram-sharan-sharma-people%E2%80%99s-historian \|werk=The Marxist, XXVII 4, October–December 2011\|zugriff=2013-12-16\|sprache=en}}	Krishna Mohan Shrimali. "Ram Sharan Sharma: The People's Historian". The Marxist, XXVII 4, October–December 2011. Communist Party of India (Marxist). Retrieved 2013-12-16. `{{cite web}}`: Cite has empty unknown parameters: `\|trans_title=`, `\|day=`, `\|month=`, and `\|deadurl=` (help)

Sandbox

Markup

Renders as

{{Internetquelle/sandbox|autor=Krishna Mohan Shrimali|hrsg=Communist Party of India (Marxist)|titel=Ram Sharan Sharma: The People’s Historian|url=http://www.cpim.org/content/ram-sharan-sharma-people%E2%80%99s-historian |werk=The Marxist, XXVII 4, October–December 2011|zugriff=2013-12-16|sprache=en}}

Krishna Mohan Shrimali. "Ram Sharan Sharma: The People's Historian". The Marxist, XXVII 4, October–December 2011. Communist Party of India (Marxist). Retrieved 2013-12-16.

I believe that the following code change should be made:

Before: periodical={{{werk|}}}|work={{{hrsg|}}}

After: periodical={{{werk|}}}|publisher={{{hrsg|}}}

I have made this change in the sandbox. If accepted, I will also update the documentation.

Paging Frietjes, Gadget850, Bermicourt for comment. Thanks in advance. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"hrsg" should be definitely be "publisher" (it can sometimes mean "editor", but not in this case) and "werk" is "work". Happy with the changes. --Bermicourt (talk) 09:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Must have mistranslated it- this looks good. Need to update the doc page. Should check {{Literatur}} as well. -- Gadget850^talk 10:30, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

titelerg fails

See Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 April 21#.7Cchapter= ignored. Here is an example which works at dewiki:

"Still on and non the wiser" (in German). June 30, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |trans_title=, |day=, |month=, and |deadurl= (help)

PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

fixed Frietjes (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked this. The last edit moved the |titelerg= parameter mapping from |chapter= to |at=, but this also created an error if the |seiten= parameter was set. Articles would then populate Category:Pages with citations using conflicting page specifications. I've placed |titelerg= in an if statement and if the parameter is not blank, its value is appended directly after the |titel= parameter's value with a colon and a space linking them together - this code snippet was simply taken intact from the {{Literatur}} template. Stamptrader (talk) 09:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Compatibility with the Content translation tool (WP:CXT)

Centralize discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § {{internetquelle}} compatibility with WP:CXT czar 15:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

|abruf vs |zugriff

If I'm reading the German page correctly, the two should be treated as equivalent. However, what actually happens is that "abruf" is ignored, losing metainformation upon substitution.

Eelworm (talk) 08:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a list of edits in which the |abruf= parameter was ignored/deleted from the page, in case anyone wants to fix that. The list only covers 2020, please ping me if you need more data. Eelworm (talk) 06:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This problem still hasn't been sorted. It needs a template specialist to enable both abruf and zugriff to be accepted as meaning "access date", especially now abruf appears to be the default. Bermicourt (talk) 19:41, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, I think. Please try it with a real German citation template to make sure it works. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 04:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– The above templates are all templates that are used when copying citation from other language wikis and are then subset here to {{Cite web}}. However, their names do not help identifying neither what language they come from or into what template they are transformed. Per WP:TPN Template names are easiest to remember if they follow standard English spelling, in this case using "Cite web" as the base and the language them come from as a sub-page make the templates immediately clear that they are a cite web template and that they have a language connection. Making these sub-pages is also standard with similar "imported" data templates. Gonnym (talk) 16:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support provided of course that original names are kept as redirects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:40, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Question Would it not be better to substitute these templates having auto-translated the parameters and adding "language = German" etc? Bermicourt (talk) 17:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm pretty sure that most, if not all, of them are auto-substed, but we should not automatically add a language parameter, since many cited sources are in English. The templates (or redirects) need to keep existing, because editors copy and paste wikitext from WP in other languages. Without the template, gnomes have to fix the foreign-language templates – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Makes sense. Thanks. Bermicourt (talk) 07:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - What Jonesey95 said. I think the only one which is incorrectly not setup as subst is Template:Kilde www, but that is not related to the move request. --Gonnym (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, makes the templates easier to identify. BegbertBiggs (talk) 10:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Note for future reference: Although "citar web" means "cite web" in both Spanish and Portuguese, the Spanish template is located at es:Plantilla:Cita web so there should be no issues with that. (t · c) buidhe 04:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason Spanish is treated differently? {{Cita web}} redirects directly to {{Cite web}}, not {{Cite web/Spanish}}. If a page has a Spanish-language citation parameters in it, instead of automatically translating the parameters via transclusion, the page just displays lots of errors. kennethaw88 • talk 21:45, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{{Cita web}} is also Italian, Galician, Asturian, Ladino, and probably others. Someone might be able to create an auto-translating template that would handle multiple languages, but until then, it's better to have gnomes do it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dateformat

Language-specific citation templates should allow date-format in relevant languages to make transfer simple: otherwise there isn't much point in having these templates is there? Ipr1 (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst in reference

I can't get subst to work within a reference, see this edit [1]. I would be glad if someone could help and explain. Is this a limitation to subst? --Tobias (Talk) 08:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]