Talk:List of all-female bands

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RfC:Flags

I was summoned via bot, however there is already a clear consensus to not make an exception to MOS:FLAG. -- I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @ 08:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Should List of all-female bands have an exception to the MOS:FLAG guideline by including the country flag with every entry in the list? Sundayclose (talk) 02:49, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - MOS:FLAG states, "Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country, government, or nationality – such as military units, government officials, or national sports teams" (italics added). A band does not represent a country, government, or nationality. Sundayclose (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support — MOS:FLAG doesn't forbid to use flags in other situations. The flags here carry encyclopedic information. If we remove them, the list will be largely useless, it will be just a meaningless list of bands with meaningless names. There will be no useful info whatsoever. And if someone wants to look at bands from a particular country, they won't be able to do it. (I know cause I'm one of the people who use the list like that.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:16, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a sincere RfC that I started to balance any biased canvassing, and I respect your opinion, but please!! Tone down the hyperbole. The list is not "useless" without flags. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of lists pertaining to bands and musicians that don't have flags (I would guess most of them), and none of them is "useless". Let's focus on the real issue instead of the dramatic claim that a list without flags is "useless". Should this particular list be an exception? Sundayclose (talk) 15:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is similar to the list of (blank) rock bands used to have. Here is a discussion from nine years ago, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons/Archive 3#Correct Usage of flagicons, after which the flagicons were removed from the lists. In some cases, List of post-rock bands, the flagicons were removed and in other cases, List of folk metal bands, the information was turned into country columns. If flagicons are inappropriate to the show the origin of a band in Template:Infobox musical artist, why would they be appropriate to show the origin in a list of bands? A bad example in this list is Blush (band), where their article states the origin is Asia because the five singers are from five different countries and in this article has five different flagicons, thereby representing the nationalities of the singers against WP:FLAGBIO and not the origin of the band. Aspects (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per MOS:FLAG. Add the countries they are from as links rather than flags, and problem solved. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 18:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ebyabe: Thanks for adding the country names. I was planning to do that a little at a time but didn't want to make a 3RR violation. You graciously saved me the trouble. Sundayclose (talk) 19:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support In the vast majority of cases the flag icon will correctly indicate where a band is from in terms of where they are based, as well as where they individually grew up and is therefore valid encyclopedic information. Secondly, music is a huge cultural and economic export internationally, and therefore bands do in a sense 'represent' their country, albeit not usually - with exceptions - in an official capacity. The flags are relevant, useful and visually user-friendly, all of which is pertinent to an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulstaticsound (talk • contribs) 11:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose MOSFLAG clearly applies here. If there is a desire to change the guidance on this it should be taken to the MOS talkpage. Primergrey (talk) 12:35, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There is no specific aspect to this page that makes an exception to MOSFLAG necessary. There is no reason that this type of band needs to have national identity displayed graphically in order for the information to be sufficiently clear. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as this would make the page completely cluttered and lengthen the page greatly with an image for each band. It is fine as it is--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 01:06, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose dont see any reason why this article should be an exception to MOSFLAG. MilborneOne (talk) 18:41, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose as flag icons represent countries and governments, and their use politicizes the subject. This is contentious and should be avoided (consider protest bands whose work is in opposition to the government). Only bands which directly represent the country (eg: the United States Marine Band) should even be considered for having a flag icon. Words should have precedent, so give the country's name. For this article, I'd also avoid linking to the country (this similarly gives too much political connection and does not seem a valuable link for the reader, though piping to a "music of" country article would be relevant). Reidgreg (talk) 10:21, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree with "MOSFLAG clearly applies here. If there is a desire to change the guidance on this it should be taken to the MOS talkpage," and "this would make the page completely cluttered and lengthen the page greatly with an image for each band." Utsill (talk) 16:48, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Summoned by bot. While WP:MOSFLAG doesn't prohibit us from adding a flag to each entry, it would be redundant to do so and convolute the page. Each band already notes the country from which it hails, adding a flag is unnecessary. Meatsgains (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Xmal Deutschland

I just added Xmal Deutschland. Their Wiki article states "Founded in 1980 with a completely female line-up...". They might of added a male or two along the way, would this disqualify them from the list? Bikini Kill comes to mind, although their situation is the opposite-they had a boy member when they started, but their current iteration is male-free, I believe, and I don't see them here. Or maybe that's an oversight? What exactly are the rules here? I know a band has to have a Wiki article to qualify for this list, but obviously there are complications. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pete Best Beatles The article lead states: A band is a group of musicians who are organized for ensemble playing. An all-female band is a band which has consisted entirely of female musicians for at least three-quarters of its active career. Unless I am reading the Xmal Deutschland article incorrectly, it seems that that it is not the case that they qualify for this list. Specific dates would be helpful. From what I can gather, they were all female from 1980-82. Then they were mixed gender from 1982 onward to 1990 when they disbanded. So it seems doubtful that they qualify as an all-female band, and that addition should be removed. Netherzone (talk) 16:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick response, that's what I needed to know. They have been removed. (I guess that 3/4 rule explains Bikini Kill's omission too, huh?) -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 17:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pete Best Beatles - the guidelines for inclusion and non-inclusion in the article are located in the lead section of the article. Netherzone (talk) 17:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I had skimmed it, but obviously not thoroughly enough. Actually, my comment about Bikini Kill wasn't about the rules but their application to that specific band and their different historical boy/girl ratios. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 23:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]