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The idea was around since 1910 so how did Elon Musk propose the idea?

Robert Goddar actually invented the idea of vacuum trains. It is just that Elon calls it Hyperloop instead. Synerator (talk) 06:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Look at Related projects\Historical section. War (talk) 06:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Synerator, you are partially correct. Vac trains have indeed been around for a long time. However, vac trains want to get as close to a power vacuum as than can, subject to to technical and economic limits. The closer to a vacuum they get then the better they perform. But Hyperloop (at least in its initially proposed form) requires a certain amount of residual atmosphere to make the aerofoils work to lift the vehicle up. If the vacuum gets too pure then the aerofoils stop working and the vehicle rubs on the floor instead of floating above it. Stepho talk 07:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think this overlooks the fundamental problem with this article. What we're really talking about is a lot of different variations on a single idea that has been around since the 18th century. The article makes it sound as though Elon Musk has some kind of unique claim on it simply because he was responsible for attaching the word "hyperloop" to it. I'm not interested in the kind of pro/anti Elon Musk edit war thing that seems to happen with him on Wikipedia, I just find the way this article deals with the topic a bit muddled. Part of it reads like a discussion of Musk's version and part of it reads like a discussion of the broader idea. One of the main reasons for that is the history section is almost entirely (save for the first paragraph) about Musk's idea then there's the rest of the history tacked on at the end under the heading "related projects". This doesn't make any sense because if "hyperloop" is now the word we attach to this idea (which is debatable) then these "related projects" belong in the history section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:6616:CE00:CC32:D393:2FF1:7A39 (talk) 07:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that "This article is part of a series about Elon Musk" is ridiculous. The whole article has to be recast from scratch with Musk demoted to his proper place in the succession of ideas, one of which might be his variation. Zaslav (talk) 06:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's his name on the hyperloop white paper. No-one is claiming that he invented vac trains - only that he thought of a new variation (partial vacuum instead of pure vacuum, using aerofoils for lift and a propeller for movement). Stepho talk 07:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History

Why In the Year 2889, the Jule Verne book is not even mentionned ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.153.88.139 (talk) 13:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war re historical concepts

Historically, there are various concepts:

George Medhurst's patent for a method of transporting goods and mail at high speed through an iron tube (1799)
Brunel's "atmospheric railway" (1844)
Goddard's "vactrain" (1904)

Following the recent edit warring, the article currently refers to the earlier concepts by anachronistic names. It also claims that the hyperloop is extremely closely based on the 1799 concept, although the close basis is not mentioned in the cited sources and hence contravenes WP:NPOV. Input from uninvolved editors would be appreciated. Rosbif73 (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be aware that while the Hyperloop has much in common with those (a tube with much of the air removed), it has a fundamental difference. There is an economical and technological limit to how much air can be removed beyond which is not practical/economical to go but in general, the more air removed, the better - a pure vacuum being theoretically ideal. But Hyperloop (in the original proposal) requires a certain amount of air to remain. It is needed for fan propulsion and needed for airfoils to lift the vehicle off the floor. Removing more air would make it perform worse and in a pure vacuum it would not work at all. Stepho talk 22:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the position above (by Rosbif73) is a bit contradictory. On the one hand the objection is that the hyperloop concept proposed by Elon Musk is noticeably distinct from earlier versions of the idea, yet at the same time there's an objection that using terms like "vactrain" is anachronistic because these should all be termed "hyperloops" (if I've understood the point correctly). In essence we seem to be simultaneously arguing that Musk's version is distinct yet that it should also be retrospectively used to rename earlier versions of the idea. That's resulted in the article becoming a bit of a muddle with the history section almost entirely about Musk's idea and the rest of the history of the idea being added as "related projects" (a term that only really makes sense if they're "related to Musk's version" but which makes little sense if this article is just about the broader idea). Either "hyperloop" is a broad catch all term for an idea that has existed since 1799 (in which case Musk's version is just one of many versions, beyond his coining of the name) or it's specifically a modern idea first proposed by Musk that is related to earlier ideas that have different names (vactrains, etc.) It can't be both at the same time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:6616:CE00:CC32:D393:2FF1:7A39 (talk) 08:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a very simple way to separate them, stop arguing in circles on the degree of vacuum involved and focus on propulsion instead.

Since the topic is 'hyperloop', and since, by as defined, a hyperloop is NOT powered by atmospheric pressure, you can simply strip all the historical 'atmospheric propulsion' based systems out and just focus on the Goddard and later systems where low pressure is only used to reduce drag, and not as a propulsion source. To emphasise: Atmospheric propulsion is a sufficiently distinct type of transportation that it should be in it's own (linked) article and not polluting the hyperloop one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.100.41.92 (talk) 00:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Changed and moved corporation section

Plenty of information about the actions of various hyperloop corporations were extensively documented already in the article under the relevant development sections. There was also the issue of advertising language in the section, as well as extensive details about the history of those companies. This article should remain on the topic of hyperloop, not on corporate promotion or corporate history unrelated to the development of hyperloop. As such, the corporate section was changed into a wikitable and moved the section down the page. I mistakenly marked the move as a minor edit - sorry for any confusion. Mewnst (talk) 07:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In case it matters, I have no idea whether hyperloop should be capitalized as Hyperloop in the page or not. Both are used frequently. My personal preference, if it matters, is keeping it lowercased just as "train" and "maglev" and "vactrain" are all lowercased. Mewnst (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this "Part of a Series About Elon Musk"?

I haven't checked, but do all pre-existing inventions and concepts become "Part of a Series About Elon Musk" as soon as he decides to start ham-fistedly muddling around in them? Are the articles on electric vehicles, social media, flamethrowers, rocketry, and neuroscience also "Part of a Series About Elon Musk"? If not, do they need to be updated to reflect his status as the preeminent factor in all things toward which he casts his glorious, shining countenanance? 2600:6C40:4300:2A6:A5C5:5D69:5D38:8344 (talk) 16:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that he came up with the idea of using a fan and aerofoils (which require air pressure) inside a vacuum tunnel (which has minimal air pressure) and then also put his companies at work to flesh out the idea and then used his companies to run trials. I'm no Musk fanboy but yes, I do believe he should get credit for this one. Stepho talk 00:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"I'm no Musk fanboy" - Yes. Yes you are. 24.182.239.226 (talk) 18:13, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]