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May songs

May songs
my story today

I had a good story on coronation day: a Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;) - And today we remember a composer who created music especially for us! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

more pleasant music - just heard! - if you click on songs - did you know a string quartet with two cellos? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and now May scenery pictured, - scroll up if you missed the chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: thank you, I have checked all this out. Looks like you have had a fantastic few weeks, and I do like to listen to some chamber music as well. Not something I've played much myself, but always nice to listen. We're currently practising Symphony No. 4 (Brahms) in our orchestra, quite a nice one IMHO! It's been a varied few weeks in terms of activities, we saw some friends over the coronation weekend and earlier this week I found myself at Addington Hills, where I did a short walk south through Bramley Bank. It's quite an urban setting, pretty much surrounded by the built-up area of London, but some nice open fields and footpaths on the way too. Also some stunning views over the city, here are a few of the things you can see:
     
Croydon, London town centre Wembley Stadium
(where my team Coventry City F.C. will be playing next Saturday for the play-off final!)
London skyline including The Shard and other buildings, plus Crystal Palace transmitting station mast
Canary Wharf Horses in field from Bramley Bank Lake at Heathfield House
Regards, and wishing you a good weekend.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the images, nice impressions! Quiet day today, going to a birthday in a garden - I sang Le Laudi with her and her husband but they didn't return after the pandemic - with the new conductor. Rheingau planned for tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for insisting on singing vs. just looks for the Main page! - new pics, new memory and music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you today for TFA 2018 EFL League Two play-off Final, introduced (in 2020): "It's another play-off final for your perusal, this time the match to decide the last team promoted from League Two (the fourth tier) up to League One (the third tier). This one featured Coventry City, who had been relegated in 2016–17 (despite their win in the 2017 EFL Trophy Final - see my other FAC nomination, further down this page!). And they were playing against Exeter City, who were in the final for the second season in a row. I was at the game as a Coventry supporter, and it was a happy day for us, as the team raced into a 3–0 lead after half time, eventually winning the game 3–1. Unfortunately for Exeter they are still trying to get out of the division and they lost yet again in the same final this season."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your oppose on ANI, which I joined but to no success, sadly. - Pentecost was full of music, and my story today is that it was 300 years ago today that Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, which changed music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is wrong right?

I was performing a non-admin closure of an RM at newa architecture which I performed using rmCloser script. I have been engaging in RM closing since a long time now but I failed to notice that some of these closures are redirects and would require a technical request. I clicked the "move directly" option here which performed the move. Please refer to my contribs for those changes. Could you help me determine if those are mistakes and need to be reverted or if those are fine. >>> Extorc.talk 10:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Extorc: really sorry, I completely missed this request. Are you still having issues with this? Happy to look into it if so. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am not aware if this move was done properly by me. it would be great if you could examine and tell if it is fine to move redirected pages like this in future? >>> Extorc.talk 09:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Extorc: OK sure, at work right now but I'll have a look later today and get back to you. Cheers!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Extorc: I have had a look at the pages moved, and everything looks fine. It would have warned you about the redirect, but all of those pages were simply redirects from the Newar form to the Newa form - for example before your move, Newar architecture redirected to Newa architecture. Now it's the reverse. That's fine. In some cases, the target page might be a redirect to some other article, in which case you'll get a slightly different warning saying "The destination page "Horror video game" already exists as a redirect. Do you want to delete it to make way for the move?". As far as I'm aware you would need the "page mover" user right to be able to override that request, where the existing redirect is to a different target. Obviously then it would be worth checking what that target is, and making sure everything is above board. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Thanks. I will read up on this more and perhaps look to get the page mover privilege later down the road. >>> Extorc.talk 05:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Close a move

Hi, wondering if you could close the move request for Locumba uprising. I'm the nominator but now think it shouldnt be as well as 2 others. This move req is holding up a DYK nom so that's why I would like to close it. You obviously don't have to if you don't want. Thanks PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 23:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PalauanLibertarian: thanks for the note. I was actually one of the two who voted in that RM, so I can't do a regular close. However, it sounds like you want to withdraw it now, so if you confirm that's definitely the case, you're happy to withdraw the request, then I can close it for you procedurally. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PalauanLibertarian: actually, since you also said you no longer support the move in the RM itself, that seems clear. I've gone ahead and closed it as withdrawn for you. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Appreciate it PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 15:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

POTD

I guess that you know that the thyroxin POTD is very similar to a published image. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/anie.201601116. --Smokefoot (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Smokefoot: no, I had no idea about that. But as far as I can tell, the Commons picture was uploaded in 2011, while the journal article you mention came out in 2016. So it's more likely they're the ones doing the illegal copying (without the necessary attribution), right? And this has never been brought up and Commons, or at the Featured Picture candidacy... Pinging @Mikael Häggström, Bammesk, Crisco 1492, David Eppstein, and MER-C: for a third opinion, who were involved with the FPC and are likely to know more than me about this sort of thing! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The image in the journal article appears to have been redrawn. The most obvious explanation would be that the journal article artist used the Wikipedia image as a reference. An alternative explanation was that both images had a common precursor image, perhaps the textbook one referred to as a source by the Wikipedia image, but I do not have access to that image to check. In any case, a publication appearing five years after our image was uploaded is not evidence of a copyright problem on our side, and because the journal image is redrawn it may not be actionable that it does not properly credit ours. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for joining the conversation late. Indeed, I did not use any similarly appearing image when making this image, apart from what is stated in its image description. So if there is any other image that looks very similar, then it is very likely that they took after this one. However, as I've released the image under a Public Domain, there is nothing illegal about doing so. It might still be regarded as dishonorable to copy or imitate another person's work and make it look like own work, but I personally don't have the motivation to complain to those doing so with my works. Mikael Häggström (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Involved editor reverting closure for being NAC

Hi, recently I performed the closure of Yesterday (Beatles song) as Moved because it appeared that most participants argued that this is by-far the primary topic and the rest of the entries don't collectively attract such traffic. That closure was reverted by a participating user stating that this move deals with "high visibility" and hence needs an admin to close instead claiming that the move is "contrary to en.wikipedia guidelines" ~ see the post revert comment in the rm discussion. I am not willing to engage in the RM anymore and have responded to the editor on my talk page regarding the WP:RMNAC issues with his actions.
You and I have just recently engaged in a similar situation where you disagreed with my closing rationale and we were able to sort it in a much more mature way over at Horror game. So can you please look into this issue? >>> Extorc.talk 13:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 22 May 2023

Irregular and unmotivated deletion of Marcello Minenna's article

Dear @Amakuru, I kindly request you to please restore the article on Marcello Minenna. I created this article in 2011 and it has been on Wikipedia continuously for more than a decade. Clearly, there was space for improvement: that’s why so many users have made an effort to provide footnotes and useful sources after having realized that the deletion procedure was running. The article met both WP: Author and WP: Professor requirements. Minenna is a highly renowned economist, both in Italy and abroad. His lectures have been attended by thousands of students, and his articles have been read by thousands of readers. These two criteria oriented the latest edits on this article. In fact, there were plenty of footnotes quoting Minenna’s scientific contributions, published in papers or quoted by leading scholars in their respective fields. If you would have evaluated the footnotes in an unbiased way you would certainly agree with me. The decision to delete this page was taken unilaterally, against the opinion of many users that voted to keep the page and were committed to improving it despite the unbased allegations of some users. Olivc75 (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Olivc75 The decision was far from unilateral. It was a correct reading of consensus. For all the words expended trying to save the article, nobody provided any sources that discuss the subject's life or career in any depth, as opposed to just things written by him. @Amakuru, I actually came here to suggest that it might be a good idea to salt the title given the extensive involvement of single-purpose accounts and the BLP concerns. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Amakuru, dear @HJ Mitchell, I'm sorry but I really don’t understand: actually I was working on this aspects and, to be honest, before the deletion, there were at least 15 sources discussing Minenna's career and life.
Just to recap a few of them:
1) He was Agenda Contributor at World Economic Forum
- https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/marcello-minenna
2) He was interviewed and cited worldwide
- https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/greece-in-crisis/6584452
-https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/business/dealbook/worries-grow-over-euros-fate-as-debts-smolder-in-italy-and-greece.html
- https://www.ft.com/content/837b7864-c40a-4e98-a04f-081faaed4eb8
-https://vimeo.com/328175345
- https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-italy-breakupindicators-idUKKBN1JF1MR
3) He is an editorialist for many important newspapers
- https://www.ft.com/content/76b03b18-3e93-11e9-9bee-efab61506f44
- https://argomenti.ilsole24ore.com/marcello-minenna
4) His books are part of the Library Catalog of several universities, such as the University of Chicago
- https://catalog.lib.uchicago.edu/vufind/Record/6377080
I was working to improve the page, actually by finding the support of other users in the same direction.
I really hope that you will restore the page in order to clean it up and improve it. Olivc75 (talk) 16:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]