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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Cheef117 (talk | contribs) at 20:31, 1 July 2023 (→Requested move 1 July 2023). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Requested move 1 July 2023

2023 French race riots → Nahel Merzouk protests – Merzouk's death is the focus here, and "race riots" evokes a negative connotation. See Mahsa Amini protests. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Nahel Merzouk protests or 2023 French riots. The WP:RS I've seen use just "riot" more than "race riot." TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The section had this name when I moved it from Killing of Nahel Merzouk. Support, also this should be an uncontroversial move. A discussion is probably not needed since current name is OR, moved. Ecrusized (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Nahel Merzouk riots. Describing this series of crimes as mere protests is ridiculously euphemistic. It includes arson, burglary, looting & attacks on civilians as well as police. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree with this characterization. Protests and riots are both terms used in WP:RS here and are both reasonable for discussion here. Something can be both a protest and a riot. I'm not sure the presence of crime is enough to prefer one term over the other on its own. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The article currently emphasises the use of "protests" over the use of riots. If it can be described as both, shouldn't they both be used? Alternatively, perhaps something like unrest could be used similar to the 2023 French pension reform unrest. Even this might be an understatement, considering that five times as many police officers have been injured in a matter of four days than were injured over a period of five months. Jokojis (talk) 18:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is many times more severe than the pension reform unrest & is mainly riots. The title & content are very biased in favour of the rioters. Criminals aren't burgling & setting fire to buildings in Marseille because a bad driver whom they didn't know was shot nearly 500 miles away. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why would a 'negative connotation' matter when that is the version of events which are occuring? Support moving to a similar sounding name of the above under Nahel Merzouk riots or Nahel Merzouk unrest (even 2023 French riots/unrest, as this has seemingly eclipsed the previous riots in May by sheer scale). Tweedle (talk) 19:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The current events are very similar to the 2005 French riots. So I propose Move to 2023 French riots ChandlerMinh (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems disingenuous to use a euphemistic term like "protests" at this point. The scale and character of what is going on is far beyond just some people marching around with signs. Cheef117 (talk) 20:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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