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Draft: Gerasimos Tsourapas

Hi there -- thanks for the advice on the new article on Gerasimos Tsourapas, super helpful! I have edited the page to satisfy Criterion 8, as suggested (chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area), and cited the journal website to document this as a reliable source. Does that resolve the earlier comment? Caresmin79 (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Caresmin79 now that it is in mainspace (Article) an WP:NPP reviewer will take a look. In the future though, please use the WP:MOVE function rather than copy/pasting a draft into mainspace as it creates duplication and confusion. S0091 (talk) 16:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
absolutely. it is my second article on here (bit of a learning curve!) Caresmin79 (talk) 17:00, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Caresmin79 I understand. :) Also, given you are WP:autoconfirmed, there is no requirement you submit drafts to AfC for review (unless you have a WP:COI). You can create the draft then move it mainspace when ready. The move I think automatically cleans up all the draft templates but you can simply delete anything left over, if any. S0091 (talk) 17:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Malcolm Merlyn

On the my draft about Malcolm Merlyn you said I needed to cite plot detials would citing the episode or citing plot summaries or reveiws be better?Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@OlifanofmrTennant I think the issue it is not "plot details" but a biography about the character (which I know to a large extent are the same). I think plot summaries and/or reviews are better but I also don't think you need to cite everything in the biography; just enough that proves other sources have written about Merlyn's biography for each season. Does that make sense? Also, good job as it is well-written. S0091 (talk) 19:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Connected contributor

Hi @S0091, thank you for linking the advice page to my draft (Draft:Bernhard Ruchti). I have reviewed the COI page. My connection to the musician described in the page is that I have contacted him to get approval to use his picture. I believe that I should use the "connected contributor" template but I have to make sure I do it right, would it be possible to help me? Right now I placed the following section at the top of the article I am about to resubmit (in comments):

{{Connected contributor|User1=Dkoltorcan |U1-declared=yes| I declare that I had contact with the musician described on this page when I asked him for permission to use his picture.}}

Is that enough? Is there anything else I should do? I also added a COI section on the talk page.

Thank you for your help. Dkoltorcan (talk) 00:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dkoltorcan I have added the declaration to your User page (User:Dkoltorcan) and the draft's talk page. S0091 (talk) 13:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Dkoltorcan (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
I know you know this already, but I just need to remind you (even though you didn't forget, lol) that you are one user with good humour. Thank you for always lightening my mood, and thank you for your calm spirit. Thank you for correcting me without biting me, I mean, I've encountered many users since I became a new page patroller but you are one of a kind. Thank you for teaching me hidden stuff, and making things clearer. You are such an amazing person. I know I still have a lot to learn from you so, I can't wait :).

PS: I was planning to do this by 11th (when I become three month old on here) but I can't wait no more, lol. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Awww...thanks @Vanderwaalforces! S0091 (talk) 21:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Um...

Wtf, S0091? I wasn't done with the draft nor was I planning on submitting to AfC at all. SilverserenC 22:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Silver seren I was going through drafts created by FA based on this list and submitting some I thought would pass because the AfC drive has brought pending submissions down to almost zero. If you want to me skip any you have edited, I can but not sure if any other editors are going through them (or unsubmitted drafts in general. see also WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/November 2023 Backlog Drive#What to do for the remaining 2.5 weeks). I am not sure one can stop another editor from submitting drafts they did not create or significantly contributed to. S0091 (talk) 22:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's just generally considered really rude to submit a draft someone else is actively working on. Just because a draft page exists also doesn't mean someone is planning on using AfC at all. SilverserenC 22:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Silver seren I understand where you coming from and apologize. I did not mean any offense and will be sure not to touch any of FA's drafts you have edited. S0091 (talk) 22:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you. Sorry if I was brusque, I was just surprised. SilverserenC 22:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Silver seren now that I see your note at the AfC discussion and understanding you were planning a DYK I get the Wtf a bit more. I should have noticed your recent edits but honestly didn't think to look as the vast majority have only been edited by FA. S0091 (talk) 23:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Silver seren I noticed that you are back, and I was trying to hold off on asking for help with various subjects so as not to chase you away! User:S0091 thanks so much for helping with my many drafts!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 16:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

R. G. Williams

Was R. G. Williams a pseudonym for William Lloyd Garrison? Someone else? They published abolitionist publications. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think Alexander Anderson (illustrator) did the engravings for his various abolitionist publications, but I don't see anything about them in his entry. An Alexander Anderson noted as illustrator here. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When you write the Ransom G. Williams entry please include File:Letter to) Bro. Williams (manuscript (IA lettertobrowilli00phel).pdf this letter to him. Actually there may be lots of other images to illustrate including the publications themselves. Good luck!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten of appreciation

I was new here on Wikipedia and didn't quite understand the rules of anything. Thank you for helping me in a civil way! Here is a nice photo of a cat for you.

GordonFreeman1997 (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A comment you made a long time ago

Just giving you a heads up that the comment you made here provided incorrect information to a new editor. The extended-confirmed restriction applies everywhere, including draft space. I'm not sure if this is still the advice you'd give, but I figured it's best if I popped in the clarify. I appreciate your good faith work helping new editors and working at AfC, so please don't take this as any sort of admonishment. Thanks for all you do. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish thanks for taking the time to let me know. Luckily, I believe that is the only time I have given advice about ARBPIA other than leaving a notice and even that is rare. S0091 (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sustainable Ventures Draft

Hi S0091,


Thanks for your input regarding my wikipedia submission. What sources would be credible to prove that the company exists? Or what references would showcase impact besides internal impact/investing reports? Besides the information I've referenced, there's not any more online articles. Is it also a case whereby I remove some references, besides the company website references, which other ones are irrelevant?

Have a lovely week and hope to hear from you soon!


Many thanks,

SustainableJragon SustainableJragon (talk) 10:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SustainableJragon Wikipedia is a not a directory so merely existing is not enough to warrant an article. Please read through all the links in the gray boxes in the decline messages which outlines what is needed. S0091 (talk) 17:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article isn't supposed to be a directory but a page for information that people can refer to if they want to learn more about the organisation. If existing and doing impactful things in the sustainability sphere such as hosting Prince William and raising £1bn for climate-tech startups isn't enough, then what else is needed to warrant it's own page? SustainableJragon (talk) 12:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help artist page

Hi @S0091 thank you for your reply, after few search like you mention it "demonstrate they have had solo shows at major galleries or museum, etc." I can see here (https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Brice-Gelot/8D7F2F76DBC5780E) the artist has been featured by the Glasgow Gallery of Photography in Scotland, also represented in London by the art gallery Maggio and featured on Artsy_(website) (https://www.artsy.net/artist/brice-gelot) where they confirm his notability. Madison.y (talk) 23:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Madison.y Mutual Art supports he exhibited in a group show at the Glasgow Gallery of Photography which does meet multiple solo shows at major galleries or museums. Artsy is a commercial site selling his work so not a reliable source. S0091 (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091 thank you for your time and reply. So if this meet the criteria what should I amend on the page to be accepted ?
Also to be sold on Artsy as artist you need to be represented by notable art galleries, only art gallery can sold artist artwork thru this platform, single artist itself or unrepresented notable artist are not allowed. Madison.y (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Madison.y I see I missed a crucial word in my reply. I meant "which does not meet multiple solo shows at major galleries or museums." I apologize for the miscommunication. Again, Artsy is not a reliable source and being represented by a gallery is meaningless from a notability perspective. If his work has had critical reviews by reputable art publications, like ArtForum or mainstream media (newspapers, etc.) those can be used to establish notability, though. Be sure they are reviews, not interviews or promotions of his shows. S0091 (talk) 20:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trevor Ombija's Wikipedia page

Hello S0091,

I have made necessary changes to the Draft article on Mr. Trevor Ombija in regards to your feedback a few days ago about adding more relevant sources. I kindly request you to review the draft once more and if you can return feedback on whether it is ready for publishing yet or not. Thank you

Regards,

Serrwinner Serrwinner (talk) 14:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Serrwinner you have resubmitted the draft so another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Political image of Javier Milei

Hi @S0091, can you please fix the rejection? One editor moved the article to Drafts:Javier Milei, without explanation. It then got rejected two times because the main article exists already, this was corrected and it was resubmitted. The initial rejection has been addressed, by updating the content to be more in line with a Political image article. The creation of spin-off articles is also valid, as was demonstrated with the creation of the positions article. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 14:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon proposed a merger so let that discussion run its course. I pinged the editors who participated in the Political positions of Javier Milei AfD so hopefully the discussion will move swiftly. S0091 (talk) 14:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that was because the article had been moved to Drafts:Javier Milei. He moved it back to Political image, so i could resubmitt it; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Public_image_of_Javier_Milei&diff=prev&oldid=1185771524 Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pedantic Aristotle what a mess! Yes, I will undo my rejection so will go back to pending review. S0091 (talk) 14:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, yes that would be an understatement for this whole topic. Thanks. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 14:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pedantic Aristotle: I've declined your submission. Your idea for how to create this article is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You can create an article under this name by splitting it from the source article. But you can't create an article with duplicate content and just reorder paragraphs under different headings, and not follow WP:SUMMARYSTYLE in the source article. Sincerely—Alalch E. 04:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Alalch E., thanks for the feedback, I was not aware there was a dedicated process for this. I initially duplicated the content, then I was asked to fix the content before resubmitting, which is why it ended up this way. Have restarted the process according to WP:Splitting now. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Del Borrello Submission Rejected

Why did you reject my submission? I believe it is absolutely notable to be on Wikipedia, did you take the time to look at the sources and my note? Antny08 (talk) 14:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Antny08 The draft has been reviewed reviewed 10 times with that last reviewer stating it was WP:too soon. I looked at the sources you added since that decline, which were New Jersey Globe. As last previous reviewer noted they not carry much weight, and were largely what he says about himself so not independent in addition to being routine campaign coverage. He fails WP:NPOL, as has been stated numerous times, and does not meet WP:GNG. S0091 (talk) 15:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But they do carry weight, New Jersey Globe is a long-running news source that posts multiple articles DAILY, and is rated as neutral by a highly reliable bias checker source. I see nothing that shows that it is not a notable source, other than just opinion, which is different from fact. Antny08 (talk) 15:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And also, I read every single article, many of the ones which I sourced are not him talking about himself, many are genuine independent sources. Antny08 (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I ask that you please look over it again, the previous denials were mostly because I did not have WP:THREE until pretty much the most recent submission. I discussed with the previous reviewer who listed it as WP:TOOSOON, and he admitted that you could maybe consider it a reliable source that can carry weight. New Jersey Globe is a good source, as it is independent and well-known. I have 46 sources for this person, I do not understand how he could possibly not meet WP:GNG with that many sources mentioning him. Thank you. Antny08 (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08 I will not reconsider. You had a robust discussion on the previous reviewer's talk page and they even told you the New Jersey Globe is likely not sufficient, yet that is all you added for additional sources. The New Jersey Globe is a reliable source but in order to meet notability the source must also be secondary and independent (if all they are doing is largely regurgitating what someone says, that is primary and not intellectually independent|). In addition, it needs be something outside of routine campaign/election coverage (see WP:Run-of-the-mill). The role is non-notable and the sources you added fails the notability criteria. It is not about the number of sources but about the quality of the sources and what those sources actually contain. This is the end of the road for the draft so I suggest moving on. I will not respond any further. S0091 (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
you are a big fat monkey Antny08 (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08 you must have me confused with User:Big Fat Monkey. :) S0091 (talk) 22:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
you're right!!! 0_0 Antny08 (talk) 22:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But honest question lol, if Chris ever runs for a higher office again and succeeds, will the rejection be removed? Antny08 (talk) 12:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08 state-wide or federal offices are automatically notable. For local offices, the only that are automatic are mayors of large cities, such as Trenton and Newark for example. Other than that, local politicians usually require sustained in-depth national/international coverage beyond the scope of what would ordinarily expected for their role so keep that in mind. But yes, rejections can (and are) undone to allow for re-submission.
Also, a few things to be aware of. Drafts are automatically deleted as abandoned six months after the last human edit but can be restored upon request. You will get a notice on your talk page with instructions as well if it is deleted. In addition no one owns a Wikipedia article so if accepted and released into the wild so to speak, it is open for anyone to edit which includes vandalism, negative press, etc. (good, bad, ugly). You or those affiliated with Del Borrello will not be able to control the content. I suggest reading WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing even though this does not appear to be about you. S0091 (talk) 15:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. Antny08 (talk) 15:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tony Kenning

Thank you for your feedback. After working for almost a year on this submission, it is clear that I will not meet the criteria needed to have my submission approved. It is a shame that someone complained and took down the original submission without, in my opinion, adequate reason. I was simply trying to return what was already in Wikipedia's resources. Tony Kenning should be recognized within Wikipedia as an original founding member of Def Leppard; sadly, this will not happen. RuthPres (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Out West on the Overland Train

Hello, S0091. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Out West on the Overland Train".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 04:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Impulse Space has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Impulse Space. Thanks! asilvering (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

False chart performance in an accepted AFC

Hello. I thought I let you know that there were false chart performance added to The Bob's Burgers Movie (soundtrack) by an IP at before you accepted this article. The UK charts I'm sure this soundtrack did not appear on per OCC. I tagged the other ones as failed verification as the chart search on Billboard isn't working for me to confirm. Thanks! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Ozjasz Wasser

One of the consequences of World War 2 was the destruction of documentation relating to Polish culture prior to the War.

My interest is to attempt to record some of the Polish people who has so much potential that was never realised due to being killed during the War. I believe it is up to us not to forget that these peoples' lives were taken from them before they were able to show their true worth in improving mankind.

Wasser played a very important role in Jewish life in Lviv from early 1900s until his death in 1941. This fact is mentioned multiple times by the sources provided. These secondary sources meet the Wikipedia source requirements. They are all published, reliable and independent of the subject. The Balaban book on the Tempel Synagogue contains the most extensive references to Wasser. This includes his biographic information and the tribute to him by the Chief Rabbi of the Synagogue. Below I offer a rough English translation of an excerpt from the main reference - The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Diaspora Polish Series (Lwow). It is a well-regarded and invaluable source that documents Jewish life in Lwow that was obliterated by the Holocaust.

Wasser is mentioned multiple times in the series and it is clear he was one of the leaders of the Jewish community in Lwow from the early 1900s until his death in 1941. Here is a translation of part of Chapter 19, Page 247: "For twenty years Dr. Wasser held the difficult and responsible office of chairman of the Temple Management Board, devoting much work and time, money and abilities to this institution and trying to maintain it at the appropriate level. No wonder, then, that his colleagues in the Management Board, and especially those who had been following the pace of his work for years, decided to celebrate the anniversary in a solemn way, perhaps in part to reward the president for his efforts and diligence. At the meeting of the Board on May 12, 1934, in the absence of the president, Eng. Rauch-Berger to the fact that on December 8, 1933, 20 years had passed since Dr. Wasser was first elected president of the Executive Board. The Board unanimously resolved to celebrate this occasion on the second day of Shavuot during the morning service, and it was decided to read the prescribed passages from the Torah donated by Dr. Wasser, and to ask one of the rabbis to give an appropriate speech. It was also decided to make a photo album of the Temple and its officers and hand them over to the jubilarian during the ceremony."

The Lviv Interactive Center of Urban History is playing a critical role in resurrecting the Jewish culture and life prior to the Holocaust in modern day Lviv. The Center has done extensive research and the fact that they have chosen to reference Ozjasz Wasser in the roles he played at the Tempel synagogue and as a well-known lawyer, is evidence that Wasser was an important person in the Lviv Jewish community.

One of the consequences of the Holocaust, in addition to the tragic loss of life, was the total erasure of the Jewish people and community from cities like Lviv. This makes it extremely challenging when it comes to finding sources for documenting the lives of those who perished.

I saw your comments about my latest update and I agree - I will withdraw it.

It would be great if you could assist me in moving the Draft to Livespace.

Thank you for your attention. Didgeridoo2022 (talk) 05:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Bruce Ryan

Hello - I have replied to you on my talk page. Sylvan1971 (talk) 16:54, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Christys

Could you have a closer look at the references on this article. There are 16 sources in total, and only 4 are what I'd describe as Primary Sources. I'd also say that the notability guidelines are met. Patrick is the focus of many of the linked sources, rather than just a mere mention. Thanks. GlobalEdits00 (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GlobalEdits00 GB News, BBC, TV Zone UK (a press release), Just Giving (written by him/his page) and Twitter are primary sources and some are not independent because they are affiliated with him. Also, IMDB is not a reliable source (see WP:IMDB) nor is Express UK (see WP:DAILYEXPRESS). S0091 (talk) 19:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Science/math writing on Wikipedia?

Thanks again for your excellent suggestion to contact WT:WIR for help with my PLEXUS article.

The next project I want to work on is on a very different topic: an article about geometric intersections between lines and cylinders. It would be like Line–sphere intersection, but based on this super well-written pre-draft article by Nominal animal. I've tried to contact that editor but no response so far. I'd like to help them convert that into a real article.

Are there communities (“Projects”?) for science/math/geometry topics that might be as helpful as WT:WIR was? BananaSlug (talk) 01:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @BananaSlug, Nominal animal has not edited since 2010 and only edited for a very short time. You can check an editor's contributions by using the User contribution link on right side bar under General when you are on their page (the options change depending on what type of page you are on). You can also enable the Navigation Popups gadget which will give you info about a editor by hovering on their User name when it is linked (like in a pages history or above you linked their name so I was able to hover over it to get info) - go Preferences under the person icon on top right, then Gadgets. For a project, see WP:WikiProject Mathematics. You can search for projects at WP:WikiProject though be mindful that many are no longer active but you can tell by how active the talk pages are. Mathematics is quite active. Also, for general questions about editing Wikipedia, you can ask at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 15:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'd seen Nominal Animal's history and noted the long absence. I found the pre-draft via an answer he/she/they gave in 2016 to a stackoverflow question. I'm not in a hurry to do anything, but I agree that they seem to have gone silent, and are unlikely to respond or collaborate on my proposed Wikipedia article.
I think my main concern, before I take any concrete steps, is the propriety of re-using Nominal Animal's public content. If it were an official Draft:Line-cylinder intersection then it would seem fine to continue editing and eventually submit for AfC review. But it is instead on the User page, and I do not want to appear to plagiarize Nominal Animal's work.
Do you have advice, or should I take this to the Teahouse? BananaSlug (talk) 17:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091: never mind! As soon as I'd given up on @Nominal Animal I got an email reply from them. They said I was welcome to try again getting an article created. As I suspected, the original attempt was declined for lack of relevant citations, it being “just math” which stood on its own. I will take the old text and try to follow the citation style of other “just math” articles.
Again, thanks for your mentoring! BananaSlug (talk) 18:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wowl! Surprised you got a response. You can ask for the old draft to be restored at WP:REFUND. If you start your own using Nominal's work, be sure to attribute it to them in an edit summary (like "copied from User:Nominal animal"). S0091 (talk) 19:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: Pamela Price

@S0091, I deeply appreciate your detailed feedback about the draft article about Pamela Price. I added information about the Jasper Wu case and specified that the defendants may still face hundreds of years in prison with the option of parole. I added a reference to suppor this. I found an article about the persecutor that left the office, Charly Weissenbach but I was not sure where to add it. Could you try to add it? https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/03/22/courts/alameda-county-district-attorney-pamela-price-prosecutors-resigns-ethical-reasons/

I added that the shooter was 17-year-old in the Converse case and added an article supporting it.

I added the reply from the DA office about the NAACP statement and relative reference.

Do you think it is ready to be submitted for review? IDruben77 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@IDruben77 Wikipedia does not even describe Ted Bundy as a murderer like you have with the Lamar Converse case nor is that how the juvenile is described by independent sources. Note I only listed a couple examples or so not everything to highlight the overall issues. You are still editorializing to fit a narrative (Price is bad) and it appears you are cherry picking sources. Please only stick to the object facts as stated in independent sources and sources that are largely what those involved say are not useful so best to use/summarize sources that are not directly involved (pick out what the journalist is independently stating, ignore quotes or things like "according to" or the like). What is the independent analysis about Price? The content about the Wu case at this point seems like a nothing burger so not even sure that is worth including (i.e. WP:UNDUE) unless there's more. I am not familiar with Price so I am going by what you are presenting outside of the quick search I did about Wu. Please also familiarize yourself with the WP:BLP and WP:NPOV policies as you are violating both. S0091 (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091, Thank you for your feedback. I aimed to maintain a neutral tone and adhere to the guidelines. However, if a more experienced editor could enhance the article directly, I would greatly appreciate it. Initially, I focused only on the first part of the article, detailing her biography and explaining her importance. Unfortunately, it was rejected for lacking notability. I believe she meets notability requirements due to holding public office, being the first African American woman in the Alameda County DA office, facing a recall attempt, and garnering attention from national and local organizations. This recall is part of a broader pattern observed among several DAs in California. I expanded the content to showcase media coverage by national and local news outlets but it is perceived as biased. I would be grateful if you could help condense the text while maintaining acceptability.
Thanks, IDruben77 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Pamela Price is an American lawyer and, since January 2023, the District Attorney for Alameda County, California. She is the first African-American Woman to ever serve as Alameda County's DA.[1] She supports progressive legislative reforms and run on police accountability and rehabilitation.[1] She is facing a recall effort.[2][3]
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Price was born in Dayton, Ohio in 1957.[4] She experienced the Ohio juvenile justice and foster care system.[5] She received a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science in 1978 from from Yale University. She received a Juris Doctor from the UC Berkeley School of Law in 1982.[4][6] She worked as defence and civil rights attorney and she started her own firm in 1991 specializing in employment litigation and representing victims of retaliation, wrongful termination, sexual assaults, and discrimination.[6]
In 2018, she run for Mayor of Oakland and lost against Libby Schaaf with 13.1% of the votes. In 2018 she also run for the nonpartisan primary for Alameda County District Attorney and lost against Nancy O'Malley with 42.2% of the votes. She run on policy of police accountability. She won the 2022 Alameda County District Attorney election on November 8, 2022 against Terry Wiley with 53.1% of the votes. She is the first Black woman to serve as Alameda County District Attorney and the first person to take the role without having worked in the District Attorney Office. She ran on a platform centered on rehabilitation and addressing instances of police misconduct. She pledged to terminate the utilization of the death penalty, cease the practice of charging individuals under the age of 18 as adults, establish a unit dedicated to ensuring the integrity of convictions, and enhance services for victims of gun violence. She started her tenure in January 2023. IDruben77 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@IDruben77 I think your recent updates are helpful and notability is established. How about this...resubmit it to get another reviewer's take. S0091 (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091. Thank you. I will resubmit and see what happen. IDruben77 (talk) 22:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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PLEXUS Woo/Tribune ref merge undone

Yesterday I followed your suggestion (re PLEXUS article) to merge the two refs to the 1986 Woo article (“The Perils of Off-Beat Publishing...”) into one ref.

Then Rublamb reverted that change. I agree with you, and the advice on Wikipedia:Newspapers.com#Citations_across_multiple_pages/clippings but am not going to get into a flame war over this.

— BananaSlug (talk) 16:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BananaSlug Yeah, agree not worth it. I am neutral about the issue so was going by the instructions.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ S0091 (talk) 18:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 02:48:54, 6 December 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Eniagrom


Hi there, "Culemborg" is a city in the Netherlands, and the "County of Culemborg" was an independent state in the Holy Roman Empire. These are not the same, evidently. The fact that Culemborg the city was at one time contained in the county doesn't mean that we should merge these concepts. Similar reasoning would prevent us from covering a great number of territories in the Holy Roman Empire, which was by its nature a collection of territories and free city states that do not always have easy modern analogs today.

The article in question is a translation from the Dutch Wikipedia (with extra references and some copy-editing). Similar articles exist on both de and fr. In general, coverage of the (incredibly complex) Holy Roman Empire is better on these Wikis because of their historical connection to the state, but to my mind that is not a good reason for en to exclude coverage of the topic.

For example, the County of Culemborg had certain rights within the HRE that allowed it (as a polity) to mint its own currency and maintain its own justice system. This allowed it to disallow entry to Dutch creditors, which gave it a reputation as a place debtors could flee to. Note that this is not the city proper -- the entire county had this character. This gave it a reputation as a haven for con-artistry and law evasion during the middle ages. The Dutch article mine is based on doesn't explore these concepts much, but that article is no more than Start class at best, and having a dedicated article on the county would allow us to explore these and other aspects on en. I mentioned some of this on the draft article talk page.

At some point if we want good coverage of topics we do need articles on those topics. Eniagrom (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eniagrom (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Eniagrom thanks for explanation. I have reverted my decline and accepted the draft. S0091 (talk) 14:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for you reconsideration! Eniagrom (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article draft submission

Why was my article draft for creation at submissions for Adamawa fulfulde rejected? I provided sufficient information on the language and i provided two main sources one of which is reliable on the language. Pulaar had no reliable sources cited when it was first created nor was the source that the information was taken from, was from a reliable source. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, Omniglot is a blog so not a reliable source and should not be used. While Ethnologue is a reliable source, it is not in-depth and multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage are required to warrant a stand alone article. As for other existing articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You are welcome to include it in the main Fula language#Varieties article using information from Ethnologue. A redirect can be created so anyone searching it for will be directed there. S0091 (talk) 14:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftification

Hello, S0091,

After you move an article from main space to Draft space and inform the page creator of the move, please tag the main space page for CSD R2 speedy deletion. If you don't use it, I encourage you to try out User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft script. We tag these pages for speedy deletion so we don't have redirects from main space to Draft space or User space. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 23:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please wait

I am in the middle of fixing up the draft. BD2412 T 19:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BD2412 Oops sorry! Hands off. :) S0091 (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. BD2412 T 20:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of List of Michigan political scandals

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on List of Michigan political scandals requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade I thought I caught all of these. I screwed up draftifying some articles using a script I had not used before (lesson learned!) but if you find more, please tag them without hesitation and apologies for the trouble. S0091 (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So worries! :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Significa liberdade and S0091: I noticed the discussion here and wanted to point out that List of Colorado political scandals is on the mainspace. I've done some copy editing, but I didn't want my name on the revision history to be confused for any endorsement of the article. Feel free to incubate it if you think it's still not ready, my revisions should by no means constitute any active improvement of the article, per WP:DRAFTIFY. Cheers, microbiologyMarcus (petri dish·growths) 17:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MicrobiologyMarcus thanks for the note. There are two I am unable to move because the redirects contain history so require a page mover or admin. I posted a note at WT:AFC a moment ago where there is an ongoing discussion about these articles. S0091 (talk) 17:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See that now, I was literally just catching up on the wikiproject talk thread. microbiologyMarcus (petri dish·growths) 17:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Can you please reconsider the link to my website which used the copy 'Collecting antique typewriters' as my collection of 19th century typewriters contains many rare and historically typewriters. Also my website has many images and copy pertaining to the world's first typewriters. My collection is one of the largest of its kind and is recognized globally as a major collection and source of information. Thank you, Martin Martin Howard (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Martin Howard: please be aware of our conflict of interest policy regarding promotion of your work, you might also see a list at WP:OTHERLINKS of arguments to avoid when trying to justify inclusion of your work. If you would like to see the link to your project included on the article, please consider disclosing your COI per the guidelines at WP:DISCLOSE and then propose the changes on the article's talk page to gain consensus. Kindly, microbiologyMarcus (petri dish·growths) 17:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Draftification of articles

Hello there @S0091! I saw you recently draftified the following articles: List of Arizona political scandals, List of Delaware political scandals & List of Georgia political scandals with a custom reasoning. May I please know what your reasoning was? ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 18:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Raydann please see the discussion at WT:AFC#"List of x state political scandals" drafts. Concerns were raised about WP:BLP and WP:OR so I moved them back to draft at least for the time being. S0091 (talk) 18:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I was unaware of the context. I have moved the remaining two as well. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 18:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Raydann! Also, I do not draftify articles often and this is the first time I used the script (recommended by Liz above) so if there's anything I could do better, let me know. I did screw up a a handful by not understanding an error so learned one lesson. :) S0091 (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! Everything is fine. I was just unsure about the reason for draftification that's why I asked. And hey, there's a first time for everything; I'm sure you'll find the move-to-draft script really easy and helpful. Take care! ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 21:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article review request

Hello, sorry to bother you but I recently submitted the article Draft:BasiGo for review under AfC about a week ago. I'm relatively new to creating pages so I'm not sure if this is standard procedure. I was kindly requesting if you could review it as the other article I created took five days to be reviewed and I'm not sure if it should take this long. If this is not standard procedure I sincerely apologize for undertaking any untoward actions by requesting this to your talk page. Thankyou. Serrwinner (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Serrwinner in November there was an AfC backlog drive. When the drive began, AfC had almost 4,000 pending submissions with some over four months old. Right now there are 402 with an estimated wait time of over a week. Given reviews have slowed down, it may take three weeks. S0091 (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft for Borgu Fulfulde

Hi can you check of my draft for Borgu Fulfulde is ready and good to submit. [[1]] 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, you need to update the citations with exact page numbers that support the claims made. The best advice I can give is not make reviewers have to dig around themselves to try to find what is coming from where because most likely they will not take the time to do so. Be very precise with your citations. See this guide and and this one for how to add appropriately add citations. If you have questions or need help, you can ask at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh the pages are that talk about the history of Borgu Fulfulde are from 543 to 551. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's the entire source. What is needed is the exact page number that supports, for example the claim that "The presence of Borgu Fulfulde in Benin can be attributed to historical migrations and interactions among the Fula people." Again, a reviewer is not going read almost 10 pages to figure that out. Take a look at footnote #3 in Adamawa Fulfulde, which is a source I added. That source is 31 pages (pp 23- 53) but I only cite pages 28-29 because those are the pages that support "Adamawa Fulfulde was originally brought to Cameroon in the early parts of the 19th century during a religious war". S0091 (talk) 15:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article Review Request

Hi! I submitted again the List of Germania Insurance Super Stage performers page, I added a couple of references but one is a press release but it not from the actual venue. I feel that adding sources defeats the purpose of a list because it just stating the performers. Rodrigo1198 (talk) 03:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rodrigo1198 for one, they are needed for verification which is a core Wikipedia policy. So far, you only have sources to support 3 performances so it fails verification. The other reason is to support notability. If sources have not written in-depth about the these performances as a group, then it likely does not merit an article. Notability is not inherited so notable artists performing at a venue does not mean the venue itself is notable or the performances are notable.
I see a similar list is being discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/List of Germania Insurance Amphitheater performers to determine if it meets the notability criteria and so far it's leaning delete, though the discussion has just started. You need to convince the community such lists meet the criteria and that is done by providing sources that have written in-depth about the importance of the venue and those performances. S0091 (talk) 15:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rodrigo1198 This Billboard article on page 8, Amp It Up, is a good source for the Amphitheater (when it was initially named Tower Amphitheater). Not quite as good, but this one shows it won an award and these couple bits from the Dallas Observer, here and here. You want to avoid sources in Austin for notability because they are local but are fine to use for verifiability. S0091 (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
American Institute of Steel Construction IDEAS2 award. S0091 (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

James Clemens High School page

What is the point of posting the relative size of the school to the wiki page? This will always be dynamic and will have to be updated or even deleted. Also, some schools count only 10- 12th grade while others count 9 - 12th in school size. This seems like it is rather pointless.

Thanks, ~TMM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmmhunt (talk • contribs) 23:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Tmmhunt I am assuming you are referencing the infobox but the same could be said for a whole host of information across Wikipedia, such as population data, sports statistics especially for current athletes, rankings, etc. This is also one of the many reasons why Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. Wikipedia is a work in progress, with missing, dated, or even blatantly incorrect information. Best practice is it to make the date of the information clear so readers know if the information is current or not, and of course providing a source for verifiability. For example, James Clemens High School makes it clear the enrollment figures are as of 2020-12. If there are other important factors, that should be noted that as well. If you have other questions about to handle information in a school's infobox, the likely best place to ask is at Template:Infobox school's talk page. S0091 (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of that may be true, but the school's relative size is a superfluous fact that is essentially irrelevant when there are numerous more important facts you could be adding. By adding this information, you are merely insuring that someone will have to edit the page again in a year or two when new school data is released and the school's size relative to other schools changes. Seems totally pointless. Please consider adding only pertinent information to wikipedia pages and it might add to the value of wikipedia instead of just making the argument that the site is not a reliable source of information. Be part of the solution, not the problem. Thanks. Tmmhunt (talk) 03:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Hamm page

I suggest you read the suggested reading so that you will know how it relates to Jon Hamm 2600:1700:F00:4140:198:BB94:6743:C5F9 (talk) 14:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you read WP:NOBLOGS. Personal blogs are not appropriate and is considered spam, not to mention So here's a shout-out to my new BFF's Jon Hamm and DJ adds nothing to one's understanding about Hamm or his life. Its about a person who simply met him like thousands of others. S0091 (talk) 14:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove an appropriate edit to a wikipedia page. 2600:1700:F00:4140:198:BB94:6743:C5F9 (talk) 14:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Borgu, Nigerian, and Central Eastern Niger Fulfulde drafts

Hi can you review my drafts for Borgu, Nigerian and Central Eastern Fulfulde and see if they are ready to be accepted as articles. [[2]] [[3]] [[4]] 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 06:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you check it? Are you busy? 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 16:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP, I do not do reviews by request so if you want them reviewed, submit them. Also see my note above about including the relevant page numbers in sources. S0091 (talk) 16:50, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the Nigerian and Central Eastern Niger Fulfulde can you help by filling in the urls. It's the third and fourth links. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:DDF1:72AB:7BC7:E9F8 (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's a tool available to those who have accounts called ReFill that will automatically fill in some of the citation fields which is what I and others use. I just it ran on Draft:Central-Eastern Niger Fulfulde but another editor had already ran it on Draft:Nigerian Fulfulde so the citations are already expanded with as much as tool can do. Any additional expansion will need to be done manually.
I suggest using Visual editing instead of Source editing. When you are in the edit window, there's a pencil icon at the right next to Preview which gives you the option to change which editor you use. Select Visual and there will options across the top with one that will say Cite (or the double quote icon...it changes, but its next to the link icon). Select that which will launch a box. The default is "Automatic". Just paste the URL, click Generate, then Insert and will cite it and format it. It works for most websites, Google Books and JSTOR urls but do double check it cited the right source. If it does not work, you can select Manual then select the most appropriate template (Website, Book, etc.) then fill out the appropriate fields manually.
You can switch between editors as needed. S0091 (talk) 15:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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