Talk:Yohogania County, Virginia

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. EdJohnston (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yohogania County → Yohogania County, Virginia – To match every other US county. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Unnecessary disambiguation, too much WP:PRECISION, Concision, Natural, recognizable (to those familiar with the topic) and WP:COMMONNAME (not to mention common sense) all support the current title. And, of course, this topic is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (the only topic) for this title. Ignore all that to give it a longer title in the name of "consistency"? Please, no. --B2C 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:USPLACE, being the primary (or only) topic is not a in and of itself valid reason to leave off the state (see Talk:Manassas,_Virginia#Requested_move). The rest of your argument is an argument against WP:USPLACE, not this page specifically, and not renaming for those reasons would violate WP:LOCALCONSENSUS Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:28, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - WP:USPLACE applies to settlements (cities, towns, villages); counties are not settlements. USPLACE has no application here. --B2C 01:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - No, USPLACE applies to places, hence the name. It specifically includes a guideline for counties. ╠╣uw [talk] 22:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's true that "Countyname, Statename" is the usual way to name an American county, but that format doesn't really make sense in this case, because Yohogania County is a "lost" county. The way I read the article, it describes a no-longer-existing name for an area that that included parts of both Virginia and Pennsylvania. The two states had conflicting claims to the area from 1776 to 1779; the peaceful resolution of those claims abolished the never-officially-recognized Yohogania County. So "Yohogania County, Virginia" would be a misnomer; the "county" actually lay within two states. That is the issue here; it has nothing to do with USPLACE. --MelanieN (talk) 04:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per B2C and MelanieN (wow!). See also Talk:Henricus#Requested move, where USPLACE wasn't applied to colonial settlements with unambiguous names. --BDD (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Per B2C, MelanieN, and BDD. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is an unusual county, so I can certainly understand the opposing points. However, it's not unique: Wikipedia has articles on many other former counties in the United States, a fair number of which encompassed territory now in different or multiple states. Practically all of them are titled to specify the body under which the county was organized. For consistency both within the class as well as with USPLACE (which applies to US counties), it seems preferable to specify the state: Yohogania County, Virginia. ╠╣uw [talk] 22:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, most of those articles require disambiguation anyway. I don't think an extinct county would ever be primary topic over an extant one. And others, like Nansemond County, Virginia, only ever existed in a modern state. --BDD (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.