Talk:Jackie Tyler

Jackie Tyler was nominated as a Media and drama good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (July 29, 2015). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Companion?

The article states that she "is not generally considered a companion", but I wonder if that's really true. Who are these people "not generally" considering her so? As a matter of objective fact, she knew the secret of the TARDIS, entered it several times throughout the series, took a trip in it, appeared in half the stories of Series 1 and 2, directly faced Autons, Slitheen, Cybermen and Daleks, actively assisted the Doctor during regeneration, furthered the audience's understanding of travelling with the Doctor, and fiercely protected the secret of the Doctor when challenged. She even appeared in a Doctor Who Magazine comic strip. Sure, she may not be the "classic era" definition of a companion in that she doesn't regularly travel in the TARDIS, but, she had a more critical relationship with both the audience and the Doctor than someone like Vicki, Victoria, Dodo, or Stephen. CzechOut 21:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a recurring character as oppose to a regular character as companions become, (with the exceptions of one-offs Sara Kingdom, Grace Holloway and Astrid Peth and the irregular Kamelion), Jackie is more akin to previous recurring characters, such as the Brigadier, who similarly knew the secrets of the TARDIS and the Doctor and indeed travelled with him on occassion yet are not typically deemed as companions because of the presence of established 'companions'. Thus in the Brigadier's case, his appearances coincide with those of the recognised companions Jamie, Victoria, Zoe, Liz, Jo, Sarah, Harry, Tegan, Turlough and Ace who clearly fulfil the narrative companion role above him. Similarly, in Jackie's case, she is trumped by Rose in fulfilling the narrative role of the companion. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 23:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jackie Tyler/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 13:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Avoid linking common terms like London.
"revial series of Doctor Who" typo, italics, partial repeat of the previous sentence.
'Rose' should be linked and in italics.
"Living in London as the widowed mother of Rose Tyler, a travelling companion of the alien time traveller the Doctor." appears to be an incomplete sentence.
series is the plural of series, no apostrophe needed.
" until her daughter " daughter of whom, Rose or Jackie, it's not clear?
Shouldn't "in universe" be hyphenated, and linked to Fictional universe?
"The character is written" was written out.
"along with Rose, in a storyline which sees her united" again, who is "her"?

That's just the lead. I could spend another hour or two on the rest of the article, but I won't unless I see some feedback here. Let me know, article is on hold for a few days. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I've addressed everything in the lead. I will be around to take care of all other points raised in the review. Eshlare (talk) 15:05, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, great, I'll take a look at the rest of the article in the next day or so. Thanks for getting back to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

Not convinced there's a need to link common terms like "seduce".
"She is later endangered by attacking shop window dummies" reads a little odd to me, it could be interpreted that it was her attacking the shop window dummies, suggest a minor reword.
"she phones Jackie from a space station five billion years in the future" this is mildly interesting, but what relevance does it have in the context of the character of Jackie?
"a missing persons campaign" any reason this is plural?
"whilst posing as staff" could you expand this a little, it's confusing to me.
"try and save her when the Cybermen" try to save...
"but her life is lost " avoid the euphemisim, "she was killed"
"and the Doctor Jackie" comma after Doctor.
"taken in the Doctor's time machine" why not just "Tardis"?
Don't overlink Dalek.
"the Powell estate" what's this? It appears to be its only mention.
No need to link common geographical terms like Cardiff.
Avoid single-sentence paragraphs.
Do "Aliens of London" and "World War Three" have articles?
"(pictured)." italics needed.
"Actress Billie Piper feels..." you've already introduced her, so it should really just be "Piper" and why the sudden switch to present tense?
"Camille Coduri states that her " no need to repeat the first name.
"wasn’t Rose" avoid contractions.
"there wasn't space" ditto.
There seems to be a mixture of styles of quotation marks, some straight ones : " " and some curly ones : “ ”, be consistent.
Who is "James Chapman" and why should what he says (given he's not notable enough for a Wikipedia article) matter?
SFX Magazine is just called SFX.
I try to avoid SHOUTING in reference titles.

I'll put the article on hold for a week. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eshlare it's been nearly a week, I'll close this nomination in due course if I don't see any comments being addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, The Rambling Man, I'm not Eshlare but I saw it and I thought it would be a pitty to fail it when it's apparently very close of GA level. My replies:

Neither am I. Removed.
Reworded to "She is later attacked..."
I agree. I've only commented out it, though, since I don't know that much about Doctor Who and Eshlare may explain why it is needed.
Not sure on it. I've removed the "s". But it could be right; Los Angeles Times uses "a missing-persons campaign" for a single person ([1]).
Yeah, it confused me too. A staff member to what? I don't know... I'll leave this one to Eshlare.
Fixed.
Comma after and before. And I've added a "she".
I've added "TARDIS", but I've kept "Doctor's machine time" as it is a good introduction to those who don't know anything about DW.
Removed the second link to Dalek, per WP:Overlink.
Indeed, it is. And again I don't know. I hope Eshlare can fix it soon.
Following WP:Overlink, we shouldn't link "the names of major geographic features and locations". I don't think it is. Wales would be, I'm not totally sure Cardiff is.
Yeah, it's not good. But I guess there's not an easy solution here. The first paragraph of "Literature" is about novels, while the second is about a comic strip. If she is only mentioned in a comic, I don't know what can be done.
Linked.
Any guideline?
Fixed.
Ditto.
Fixed, per WP:ABBR#Contractions.
Idem.
(I hope I've) fixed, per WP:QUOTEMARKS.
The author of the book Inside the Tardis. I'm not sure it's notable at all, but to be reviewed by The Independent [2] is something to be considered, I guess. (and Amazon says it was reviewed by other major publication such as SFX and The Times Literary Supplement. If someone can find the reviews it's likely the book can even have an article here.)
Okay.
Done, per MOS:ALLCAPS.

--Gabriel Yuji (talk) 00:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel Yuji, Eshlare hasn't edited for three weeks so you'll either need to deal with those comments yourself or else we may need to look for alternatives, or withdraw the nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, yeah, unfortunately to fail it seems like the only option right now. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then, with regret, done. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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