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Merge requests
I've started requests to merge Pennsylvania Lines LLC and New York Central Lines LLC into Norfolk Southern Railway and CSX Transportation, respectively. I have also proposed a merge of Regional railroad and List of U.S. Class II railroads. Editors are invited to comment on all three requests. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Capitol Limited (B&O train)
Capitol Limited (B&O train) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for California Southern Railroad
California Southern Railroad has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for SR Lord Nelson class
SR Lord Nelson class has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for LNER Gresley Classes A1 and A3
LNER Gresley Classes A1 and A3 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Category for alleged train incidents?
See Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki train disaster and Rzepin train disaster. I did some c/e - they were described as facts where in fact they seem more like old fake news (CIA?) or urban legends. Do we have any categories better than Category:Unexplained phenomena? Note that other categories are for confirmed incidents (ex. Category:Railway accidents in 1952). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Input needed on requested move for People mover to Automated people mover
Please visit the discussion at Talk:People mover#Requested move 23 April 2024. –Dream out loud (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Amagasaki derailment#Requested move 28 April 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Amagasaki derailment#Requested move 28 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, WikiProject,
This WikiProject doesn't look active but if anyone does happen by, could you check out this article? We might be looking at a possible Merge discussion as a new editor is renaming the article a variation of another existing train article. Thanks if you can help. Liz Read! Talk! 17:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz appearances are deceiving! Mackensen (talk) 17:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
At present, Railway nationalization has its first word in its name using the non-American word, whereas the second word uses the American spelling. The article also inconsistently switches between British and American English, notwithstanding the obvious need to use American English for discussion of North American railroads. Considering MOS:ENGVAR, any thoughts on how to standardise (or standardize) this article a bit? Fork99 (talk) 11:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- My understanding of MOS:ENGVAR is that one standard of English should be followed throughout. That would be British English, given the international character of the subject. Mackensen (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've just WP:BOLDly made the move to Railway nationalisation and changed "-ize" to "-ise" and "-iza" to "-isa". Please feel free to let me know if you disagree and/or revert so we can continue discussion. Fork99 (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like it might have been first written in Canadian English to me. I never noticed Canadian, it looks sort of half British and half US. I doubt that anyone would care much, I just used to try for ENGVAR (Hint: put a flag on the talk page). Sammy D III (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've just WP:BOLDly made the move to Railway nationalisation and changed "-ize" to "-ise" and "-iza" to "-isa". Please feel free to let me know if you disagree and/or revert so we can continue discussion. Fork99 (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Sydney R-Class Tram#Requested move 4 May 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sydney R-Class Tram#Requested move 4 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Ultra (rapid transit)#Requested move 29 April 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ultra (rapid transit)#Requested move 29 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Japan railway line/station name and place name in general
- @Jpatokal and Dekimasu:
- Additional ping to other active railway article contributors: @Useddenim and Redrose64:
Currently, there is a discussion on Talk:Sōtetsu Shin-yokohama Line about the spelling of the title. I would like to request broader comments to discuss how to address the apparent lack of grammatical consistency in Japanese names when utilizing hyphens and capitalization.
For context, Japanese organizations do not have a consistent approach to handling hyphens and capitalization in place names. The same organization can have various iterations; for example, the Yokohama municipal government website uses "Shin Yokohama," "Shin-Yokohama," and "Shin-yokohama" on different occasions for translating "新横浜".[1] JR, the largest railway organization in Japan, consistently uses "Shin-(Capitalized stem)" in all of their "Shin-" station signage,[2] but this is not adhered to by other organizations such as Sotetsu,[3] Tokyu,[4] Yokohama Municipal Subway,[5] and the government department responsible for road signs,[6] which, in turn, use "Shin-(all lowercase stem)".
While other commenters prefer to follow JR's practice, I am in favor of replacing the hyphen with a space and keeping the proper name capitalized. My rationale is that "Shin," which means "New," is rarely followed by a hyphen in Anglophone countries such as "New York", "New Zealand", "New Cross", etc. JR's practice is unusual, no less than other Japanese organizations, if not ungrammatical in English. I fail to understand the rationale of making an exception for Japanese proper names, if the whole point is to adhere to English grammar and English naming convention.
Another issue is that if we should rename all Japanese railway line and station articles to use the lowercase "line" and "station", similar to UK railway articles. I know there was a consensus about the change to use the lowercase "line" and "station" but am unable to find the archived discussion and relevant policy page. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 02:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- While I'd love to hear more voices on this, let's try to keep this discussion on Talk:Sōtetsu Shin-yokohama Line instead of rehashing the same arguments here.
- Whether we lowercase line/station would potentially require reworking basically every train-related article for Japan. I have no strong opinions either way, but this is an entirely separate topic that needs a better forum that the talk page of any obscure regional line. Jpatokal (talk) 02:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lowercase "line/station" aside, this discussion is not just about the Sotetsu line article but also a broader issue that will affect many articles, not least those with "Shin Yokohama" in their names (Shin-Yokohama, Shin-Yokohama Station, Kita Shin-Yokohama Station, Sōtetsu Shin-yokohama Line, Tōkyū Shin-yokohama Line, Shin-Yokohama Rāmen Museum, Shin Yokohama Prince Hotel, Shin-Yokohama Park.) -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 03:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have more to say on this topic but have not yet had a chance to post my reply at the main discussion. Very briefly, it is important to note that there is a preexisting guideline regarding how many of these things are written in English on the English Wikipedia: MOS:JAPAN. Things like the systematic capitalization and spacing of "Shin-" have been discussed there since at least 2006 (note that this is not a problem that only pertains to trains), and you can also read many past discussions about why the station names are capitalized. Dekimasuよ! 03:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)