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Nomination for deletion of Template:Tijuana Radio/doc

Template:Tijuana Radio/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. DrChuck68 (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Hi User:Paine Ellsworth could you please see this Talk:Sargun Mehta#Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2024 2A02:6B68:10:6100:240D:8552:D271:2A6C (talk) 11:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:2017 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election

Hello. Please reopen or, in accordance with the RM, close the nomination as to its merits. The nominator "withdrew" the nomination 16 days into the one-week nom!, which was relisted more than a week ago, and was !ivoted upon and discussed by quite a few editors. Is that allowed, that if a nomination is failing after over two weeks and one relist that it can just be closed because the nominator withdraws? And if so, can the nomination which has already had a full over-two-week run then be newly moved to another group nomination? Please close that one as well since the guideline it points to is inaccurate. In other words, what a mess, and partly because the nominator actually lowercased the nommed titles ahead of the nomination (which should all be returned to uppercase going into the nomination, but not for this 2017 one which already has the full discussion that you've negated). Thanks (and yikes). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is that better, Randy? I should have done that in the first place. Sorry. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 17:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thanks, the snow close does make sense and is accurate after 16 days. But another editor points out that the RM doesn't make a difference to the new RM which is going for a completely different name for the page. I didn't know we could get around RM discussions just by offering up a different name, at least things mix it up a bit on Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Normally not, because a "moved" or "not moved" decision should hold up for at least a year. Situation reeks. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 23:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Paine Ellsworth Hi could you please fix link redirects for shows like Bigg Boss, Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa, MTV Roadies, MTV Splitsvilla, Strictly Come Dancing, Dancing With The Stars , Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother contestants, hosts and judges also guest celebrities too as they all have been renamed. Like for example Tiffany Pollard and Gauahar Khan. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:D10E:EC4D:5600:8515 (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need to know more – precisely which redirects and how exactly are they "broken"? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 16:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Look in Gauahar Khan#Television click on Bigg Boss 7 link then you will find out. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:614D:B596:BF0:9EE5 (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strictly Come Dancing series 21 This as well see in the contestants pages all are old links. Please do for all the contestants celebrities pages for all reality shows mentioned above. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:F5F1:28CB:14AE:CC00 (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very sorry, did I not say 'precisely which redirects and how exactly are they "broken"?‍' Those I've been able to find so far do not appear to need fixing. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 19:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No I meant for example in Gauahar Khan it’s named as it’s old title Bigg Boss (Hindi season 7) when it should be changed to Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 please check television section. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:B030:62B8:832D:5BCA (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Paine Ellsworth All bigg boss and other many reality shows in uk, us and india etc are renamed but pages still have redirects on. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:B030:62B8:832D:5BCA (talk) 20:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s used as old link please rename to new link for all celebrities who are associated with the reality shows above. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:B030:62B8:832D:5BCA (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Editor IP2A02+, you might want to rethink all this and give WP:NOTBROKEN a read. That guideline, which represents a community consensus, tells us not to fix redirects that are not broken. When we put ourselves in the reader's shoes, the reader sees twenty instances in the Gauahar Khan article of Big Boss (some #) and all those redirects still get the reader to where they want to go if they click on those links - in the case of Big Boss 7, they still get to the Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 article by way of the redirect. That's why a redirect is usually left behind after a page move, so that readers will still get to the article they want. And as editors, we do not have to fix 100, 1,000 or even 100,000 redirects that have been left behind after a page move. Hope this helps, and thank you very much for coming to my talk page! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 21:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I don’t understand is you have fixed the redirects over here Template:Nach Baliye but you are not doing it for all the other celebrities of the reality series. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:C54:A57C:8433:485A (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please let me ask you to look more closely at that "navigational template", also called a "navbar" and a "navbox" – and at WP:NOTBROKEN, which guides us "Good reasons to bypass redirects include: it is usually preferable not to use redirected links in navigational templates, [...]" An example of a subtopic redirect that did not get bypassed is "Amita Chandekar", a contestant in season 3. Most of the other redirects could be bypassed. Remember, the rule is not to bypass redirects; however, there can be exceptions to the rule as noted in the guideline. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:2017 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election_2

Greetings, user:Paine Ellsworth. I see you have changed the decision on the requested move at Talk:2017 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election. I am not opposed to you marking it as "not moved", even after my withdrawal that is fair enough. However, you are mistaken by asserting that I withdrew in due to "wp:SNOW" opposition. I withdrew my nomination in light of discovering policy that applied, warranting me to close this discussion and open a new RM for that page, not because of any opposition. I still stand by my reasoning in that RM even if it is overriden by that of the newer RM and would have held out until the dicussion could be closed "normally" had I not created a new one. I am kindly asking you remove "nominator has withdrawn in light of SNOW opposition," as it is untrue. Thanks BurgeoningContracting 14:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, editor BurgeoningContracting, I certainly didn't mean that your withdrawal was "due to" the SNOWy opposition, but only that the opposition was snowy. And yet I can see how the wording might be misunderstood by some editors, so I will make an attempt to clarify and to word it more precisely. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 14:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I appreciate it. I understand why you put that there myself, but to an editor who is barely coming across this, it could be very easy to misinterpret the situation. BurgeoningContracting 15:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
my pleasure! Paine  15:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please see now again

Hi User:Paine Ellsworth please see this again Talk:Sargun Mehta#Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2024 as I have shorten the confusion to the edits I want done. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:E1B1:5C52:7559:5A76 (talk) 11:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Paine Ellsworth Please 80.76.56.153 (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Mexicali Radio/doc

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Re this edit

Hi :) While I won't undo it (as at the end of the day, it was only down to my personal preference at the time of typing the comment that I didn't bold the first word, and I don't want to be pointy), I'd prefer it if you didn't copy-edit my messages for me in the future. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten[meow] 08:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, please do forgive me if you think I've overstepped. I do that all the time in discussions where the usual format is not followed. I honestly can't promise I won't do it again sometime down the road; however, I will try to remember your wishes. Thank you very much for coming to my talk page, editor a smart kitten! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 08:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Somewhere over the rainbow

Re this edit, why did you decide "Over" should be capitalized? Seems like our titlecaps styling would say 4-letter preposition is lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 20:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very good question, Dick, and I agonized over it for some time. The article was moved from "...Over..." to "...over..." in May of 2006, and then to simply "Over the Rainbow" (dropped the "Somewhere") in June that same year. So neither title that uses "Somewhere" appears to be appropriate for the article – "Over the Rainbow" remains the original title and the common name of the song. So I dug deeper and found that the vast majority of sources still call the song "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" along with just "Over the Rainbow". The few exceptions are "Somewhere over the Rainbow", "Somewhere over the rainbow", and even "(Somewhere) Over the Rainbow". I think the reason why most sources capitalize "Over" in any case is because that is the actual first word of the songtitle whether or not "Somewhere" is also present. So I went with the sources and IAR'd WP's five-letter rule for prepositions in titles. I considered the usage in sources to be a good reason to ignore the guideline. My bad? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 21:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A better way to ignore the rules would be to not declare either version to be a miscapitalization. But I see you might want to say which one is printworthy. Personally, I'd think following WP style works well here, as the "Somewhere over the Rainbow" version is quite common in sources, even if the other is in the majority. So I'd choose that as the printworthy redirect. Dicklyon (talk) 02:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Something like this? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 14:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dicklyon 2001:D08:1B88:6404:8DA7:2755:A972:7E11 (talk) 20:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undiscussed move restoration

Hi. Can I ask why you have restored the undiscussed and no consensus title of the article that was erroneously changed without WP:RM? This is a controversial topic and article, undiscussed and non-consensus moves like that aren’t permitted and should be reverted. Now depending on the current move discussion’s outcome, the original title should be changed or remain the same but the undiscussed move that had no consensus should be reverted as it violated WP:RM. Thanks. Vanezi (talk) 09:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for coming to my talk page, editor Vanezi! I ask for your forgiveness, because we shouldn't rename pages during an ongoing formal move request. The move request began on 30 Apr, and you restored the title on 5 May with [this edit], while the move request was still open and ongoing. So please be patient while you and the other involved editors continue to sort things out, and wait until the move request is closed by an uninvolved editor, who will make a decision based upon consensus garnered in the survey and discussion. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 09:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yet the move that I had reverted literally violates WP:RM. How is this relevant to the current move discussion? The current move can still proceed while we restore the last consensus version that was the article title until it was erroneously moved with no discussion or consensus in a controversial topic/article. Vanezi (talk) 10:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't have further disagreements, could you please revert the undiscussed move and restore the consensus version of the title until the current move is concluded? I tried but it failed for some reason. Thanks. Vanezi (talk) 07:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't usually repeat myself, and yet in this case apparently I must... pages should not be moved during an ongoing formal move request, not by you, not by me, not by anyone. Again, please be patient until the move request has been closed. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 09:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect category question

Hey, been a while my friend ; I hope this finds you well.

Thought you might be able to help me understand why {{R with wikidata item}} is returning an error message for me on Ralph Humphrey (drummer) (permalink).

Warmest regards, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, editor Godsy, for coming! This seems to be a rare problem that I think is caused by an anomaly in the Wd module. I'm not well-versed in Lua, so I haven't been able to find the cause. My "bandaid" solution has been to link the redirect to Wikidata directly, which I have done for the Ralph Humphrey (drummer) redirect. That removes the rare occurrence of the error. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 15:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Images with misspelled parameter

A tag has been placed on Category:Images with misspelled parameter indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz, and welcome! This category was used for tracking and fixing an error and has served its purpose. It can be deleted anytime. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 17:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Can you please rv moosa edit as she removed my requested edit User:Paine Ellsworth 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:91BF:F278:6C67:7EFF (talk) 17:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:C4FA:446A:37E2:B2A3 (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Completed. Elli AvrRam is still alive, so it becomes a WP:BLP issue to spell her name correctly as it is now regardless of what decade the listing is in. So I have linked to the correct spelling of her name as it is now. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 18:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Tampico Radio/doc

Template:Tampico Radio/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. DrChuck68 (talk) 21:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi please edit request see

Hi User:Paine Ellsworth please see my edit request in Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8#Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2024 (3) thanks 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:24C3:67E6:B5AB:195A (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi User:Paine Ellsworth please could you see the requests for Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7#Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024 (2) and Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8#Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2024 please. 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:600D:1B5C:3E36:D939 (talk) 09:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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