Talk:Effects of pornography
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The main points of this FAQ (Talk:Effects of pornography#FAQ) can be summarized as:
More detail is given on this point, below.
Q1: Why don't you state pornography addiction as fact?
A1: Our policies on Wikipedia, in particular WP:WEIGHT and WP:FRINGE, require us to provide coverage to views based on their prominence within reliable sources, and we must reflect the opinion of the scientific community as accurately as possible. For example, if the APA will include pornography addiction in the DSM, then Wikipedia will rubber-stamp its decision. Otherwise, Wikipedia isn't here to give a "fair and balanced" treatment to your pet ideas. In this respect, Wikipedia is merely a mirror which reflects medical orthodoxy. There is no official document from WHO, AMA, APA, Cochrane or APA which would imply that sex/porn/masturbation addiction would be a valid diagnosis. (CSBD isn't an addiction.)
Q2: Why don't you state that porn use is paraphilia (pictophilia)?
A2: The majority of US men use porn.[1][2][3][4][5] What the majority does is axiomatically clinically normal in psychiatry. According to The Huffington Post, 70% of men and 30% of women watch porn.[6] Quite probably, the majority of US population between ages 18 and 35 use porn at least once a week.[7] Conclusion? The people who say porn use is paraphilia should suck it up and be a man: they lost the debate, so they should quit whining.
DSM-5 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-10 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-11 code for pornography use? Not any. So, of course it isn't paraphilia. Even allowing that an excessive obsession with porn is paraphilia, normal (ordinary) porn use isn't. Q3: Why don't you state that pornography increases sexual aggression?
A3: Our policies on Wikipedia, in particular WP:WEIGHT and WP:FRINGE, require us to provide coverage to views based on their prominence within reliable sources, and we must reflect the opinion of the scientific community as accurately as possible. Crime statistics make the claim highly unlikely, and per WP:EXTRAORDINARY multiple, independent and very strong WP:MEDRS-compliant sources are required in order to overturn long-standing medical consensus, see also WP:RS/AC. Otherwise, Wikipedia isn't here to give a "fair and balanced" treatment to your pet ideas. In this respect, Wikipedia is merely a mirror which reflects medical orthodoxy.
Does Malamuth say that pornography increases sexual aggression? Nope, that's a misreading of his papers, as he himself declared to Quartz publication.[8] Past discussions References
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Wiki Education assignment: COMM 500 Theory and Literature of Communication
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 15 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Raiyaka (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Songbirdsnake.
— Assignment last updated by Songbirdsnake (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Thoughts
1. The section about higher STD rates for sex workers is not contextualized within the article which seems to be mainly about the consumption of pornography and not the impact on producers (sex workers). Challenges faced by sex workers should be more clearly be delineated in the intro if the article is going to discuss it, sex workers are also impacted by societal views on sex workers and pornography and not only the pornography itself.
2. The intro has this sentence: "Consumption of pornographic material is associated with negative and positive impacts"
Where does the article mention the positive effects? If we don't delve into positive effects in the article then we should just remove that sentence.
3. The intro briefly states "some people may become addicted to it" but no context is provided. Some studies suggest that a small percentage of individuals may experience problematic or compulsive patterns of porn consumption that could be classified as an addiction. However, it's important to note that not everyone who consumes porn will develop an addiction, and people can engage in such behavior without negative consequences. Drocj (talk) 08:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Wiki Edu Assigment: Comm 500 Class , List Of Edits and thoughts
Hello, I realized that we had to outline the changes we made for the wiki instead of putting it just in the edit review/version history
So here is the comprehensive list of changes that I made to reach the most recent version of this Effects of Pornography article: (FROM TOP TO BOTTOM)
- Finalized the Lead to encompass the definition of pornography, along with a breakdown of different effects that are going to be discussed in the article
- Next to "associations of addiction", i added the fact that theories are going to be discussed in the article also (last little section was kept)
- Added " A Few Key Theories" heading, Sexuality Theory umbrella heading, SEXUAL STRATEGIES THEORY, REWARD AND CONDITIONING THEORY, SOCIAL EXCHANGE THEORY.
- Social Exchange Theory Model (Picture) was added to break up reading pace.
- some words are changed in Sexual Scripting section to improve flow and clarity ( Last small section of Sexual Scripting was untouched)
- Added Scripting Framework Section
- METHODOLOGY LIMITATIONS HEADING and its contents were removed, did not make sense as methodologies were not mentioned exclusively
- " Added a Psychological Effects and its Studies" Section (FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT MENTIONS ADDICTIONS UNTOUCHED) , might need future revision
- Added a specific "studies" heading ( second paragraph was untouched and last paragraph of this section was broken up for clarity)
- Added a "Psychological Effects" Image
- Added Cognitive Effects heading and a few paragraphs to expand the concept
- Split the previous paragraph into its own section of Contradicting Views
- added a few meanings to the abbreviations ( Withdrawal Symptoms Untouched)
- Added a "pornographic control proposals" section title ( contents untouched)
- MENTAL BLOCKS heading added and provided a lead paragraph to introduce the specific section topic
- added a man and "masculinity" section heading and provided word clarity in its first paragraph ( second paragraph of this section is untouched, this section might need a little bit more sources, did not have time, added citation 39)
- added a "women and self-consciousness" section heading, provided clarity to the second paragraph of the section ( FIRST AND THIRD PARAGRAPH UNTOUCHED)
- changed a few words around in the last tiny section of the Women's section
- EXPANDED both the Delay Discounting and Dehumanization section
- Public health section was NOT my addition ( but did improve wording)
- changed up the words and improved the flow of the Sexual desires section (first and last paragraph of section was untouched)
- Pamela Anderson Line was removed as I felt it didn't fit with the section at all.
- Improved wording in Sexual Function section ( also added citation 49 to back claims)
- Improved wording in Sexual Satisfaction section ( last paragraph is untouched, welcome to re-check)
- removed redundant wording of the first paragraph in sexual preferences section
- improved wording and flow for the other parts of this section, although it is split into two fue to it being a little too long
- Added Sexual Preferences Image
- Added Aggression and Extreme content section (content basically unchanged aside from simplification of wording)
- Sexual violence controlled studies section 1st paragraph rewritten for maximum clarity
- Meta analysis paragraph and Emily F Rothman paragraph simplified
- The DIAGRAM was NOT my addition, might have to be checked for accuracy.
- changed a few words in the Ferguson and Hartley paragraph, 5th paragraph UNTOUCHED
- tiny sentence in the 6th Paragraph condensed with the Emily F Rothman Paragraph
- Epidemiological studies section only simplified but generally untouched
- added a Teen Dating Violence study and expanded into a paragraph
- added the white ribbon imagery
- "pornography is not the cause of Rape" statement removed , it was a stand alone and did not make sense.
- improved wording on First paragraph of Effects of reltionships Heading
- also improved wording on the first paragraph of Relationship Satisfaction (Second Paragraph Untouched)
- improved flow for the other parts of this section
- removed redundant wording in the communications section
- added a "pornography mirroring and Consent" Section
- added citations 115-119 for the consent section
- added the symbol of consent image
- Changed the Heading of Occupational safety to " Pornographic effects to adult film performers"
- added a famous cases section detailing the adult stars that have exited the industry ( citation 121-123)
- added the Pornhub image because it is mentioned in the section.
- First paragraph and Block quote of Effects on Adolescence Heading Untouched (further research might be needed in the future)
- rest of the section have edited words to improve flow
I have been tackling this article for about 2 months for my Wiki Project, I have done all I could in the course of the semester and will probably have some mistakes. I've updated the article with the sources I could find so that they're all backed with some kind of proof. I added pictures as well to break off the text walls for an easier read. I am still a student and will not have perfect judgment as to what is best for the article, but I have done my best to improve it
Thankyou
( should any changes need to be made, please feel free to edit after :) ) Raiyaka (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have taken a look at the large number of additions you made to the article. Unfortunately, most of them are primary source studies. Wikipedia is based upon secondary independent sources, namely books and academic reviews. Primary source studies are problematic because they have not been assessed in the context of the broader scientific literature and are prone to failing replication.
- In addition, most of the content you have added is based upon associational studies. Correlation is not causation. An association between poor relationship satisfaction and porn use does not prove that porn reduces relationship satisfaction. It could be that those in unsatisfying relationships are more likely to watch porn.
- A lot of this is going to need trimming back. Zenomonoz (talk) 22:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yup, a WP:RS is WP:CITED that the
association between poor relationship satisfaction and porn use
only holds for white men (that is: not for women, and not for men of other races). At the Dutch Wikipedia such edit was reverted together with deleting the association claim, because the recorded effect was too small. - Being statistically significant and explaining much of the variation are two very different matters. You could have a result which is thoroughly significant, but only explains a few percents of the variation. I didn't do the math, but my two cents are that the Dutchies aren't far off.
- That's the problem with porn research in general: causality cannot be shown, and most of the variation simply does not get explained (measured correlations are from small to modest). tgeorgescu (talk) 02:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think most of this primary source stuff should be trimmed out, we need to replace it with reviews/books. There have been quite a few recently. Zenomonoz (talk) 03:42, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yup, a WP:RS is WP:CITED that the
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