Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User
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Speedy nominations
Category:Wikipedians who like Zoo Tycoon
- Speedy Rename Category:Wikipedians who like Zoo Tycoon to Category:Wikipedians who play Zoo Tycoon. --Mike Selinker 07:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Swimmer wikipedians
- Speedy Rename Category:Swimmer wikipedians to Category:Wikipedian swimmers - caps and reverse order. - jc37 08:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy rename feel free to close. VegaDark (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Synchronized swimmer wikipedians
- Speedy Rename Category:Synchronized swimmer wikipedians to Category:Wikipedian synchronized swimmers - caps and reverse order. - jc37 08:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy rename feel free to close. VegaDark (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Water polo player wikipedians
- Speedy Rename Category:Water polo player wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who play water polo - caps and re-arrange order. - jc37 08:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy rename feel free to close. VegaDark (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Diver wikipedians
- Speedy Rename Category:Diver wikipedians to Category:Wikipedian divers - caps and reverse order. - jc37 08:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy rename feel free to close. VegaDark (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Audio file editors
- Speedy Rename Category:Audio file editors to Category:Wikipedians who edit audio files - added Wikipedians and re-arrange order. - jc37 08:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy rename feel free to close. VegaDark (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
New nominations by date
May 19
Can't possibly categorize all past accounts that have been used for vandalism. Attempting to maintain such a category would be futile. This is nonsense. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was delete. --Blake3522 12:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Impossibly large scope, and doesn't sound right besides — we don't want there to be accounts for vandalism. Serpent's Choice 08:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Blake3522 12:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
User category that added people to a now deleted group. Not useful to Wikipedia at all. Once again, I'll say that stuff like this should be speedyable. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Does not help Wikipedia in any way I can think of. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Category fits me to a glove, but it doesn't do wikipedia any good. --Bduke 08:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we want a category like this for every game show or talk show ever made? I don't see this being any more useful than its parent category, Category:Wikipedians who like Jeopardy!. I suppose it's possible such people saw some behind-the-scenes stuff, but adding any info they got from first-hand experience to articles would qualify as original research. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Upmerge as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Redundant to the correctly-named Category:Wikipedians who use Google Talk. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Upmerge/speedy upmerge as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy merge. –Pomte 08:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
We don't need one of these for all 10,000 bug reports on BugZilla. Will become obsolete once it is fixed, anyway, and this category won't provide any benefit until then. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- As the acknowleged impetus for this category, I'll be sorry to see it go. This isn't just any ol' bug, but probably one of the biggest current sources of frustration for those of us that spend significant time battling Wikipedia vandalism. This little bit of wiki-civil disobedience was meant to simply inform other users about this issue (I bet 98% of regular editors still don't know about this bug) and encourage our noble developers on their pathway towards a solution. At least it managed to pick up a little bit of attention.[1] In any case, I'm sure this cat will be deleted, and for perfectly valid reasons...but I won't pretend to like it! Sigh. — Scientizzle 08:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep until bug is fixed. Scientizzle is right that this isn't "any ol' bug". Because of this bug, warning IP users for vandalism serves virtually no purpose since most IP users are not getting the messages. The problem is that most users on Wikipedia still don't know that this bug is preventing them from being able to communicate with IPs. This category was created to try to "get the word out" that there is a problem with this and that most IPs are not receiving messages they sent. I understand if the category is deleted but that doesn't mean that I will try other ways to inform people. -- Hdt83 Chat 08:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm fully aware of the bug and its effects. I don't see how increasing people's awareness of it any more will make the bug get fixed any faster. Every single Wikipedian could be in this category and I doubt it would make a difference, I'm sure the developers are working on it and the amount of people in this category isn't going to affect their speed. I also don't like the precedent this sets- Allowing a category like this for all bug reports on BugZilla (or at least all unsolved ones). Yes, this is more severe than most, but setting the threshhold for what is category-worthy or not is subjective. I also really don't like the temporary nature of this. I don't like the idea of any Wikipedian category that is expected to be obsolete within a few weeks or a couple months at most. VegaDark (talk) 08:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep WP:IAR. The bug report links to this user category to express the users' attitude. It'd look ridiculous when they come here to see it deleted. –Pomte 08:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - ridiculous category, serves no purpose and doesn't help anybody. Yonatan talk 14:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In this case, the former was a subcat of the latter. As these are redundant, they should be merged one into the other.
- Merge as nom. bibliomaniac15 04:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Merge/speedy merge to Category:Wikipedians with over 5,000 edits as the other cats use the comma. Looks uncontroversial. VegaDark (talk) 07:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
May 18
"This category describes those who consider themselves to be fans of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum computer" - Wha? This is nonsense. No indication it is even a user category, so at minimum needs a rename, but even then this would have no benefit to the encyclopedia. VegaDark (talk) 01:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 01:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Seems like a nonsense category, its not helping the encyclopedia in any way. — The Sunshine Man 15:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
May 17
May 16
"Not" category, does not help to categorize things we "no longer" do, and does not facilitate collaboration. VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Name Change then. "Wikipedians who are in support of Switching from OSX" or "Wikipedians who are in support of Switching to Windows."--Zeeboid 12:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, no potential to improve collaboration. Bfp (talk) 20:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. No anti-categories.--Mike Selinker 06:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - While I am leaning towards deletion for other reasons, I wonder how different this is than any category which describes something that a Wikipedian did or experienced in the past. Especially the previous location categories. If this is deleted, we should probably revisit that discussion. - jc37 09:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - No need to delete, once its change to a "Pro" category.
"Not" category, does not help to categorize things we hate, and all "hate" categories have been deleted previously (or speedy deleted). VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as nominator. VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete I hate mashed potatoes. How would I collaborate on something that I hate?--WaltCip 13:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
What if we change it to something like "Users who believe MLA format is inefficient" or "Users who prefer other bibliography formats over MLA format"? We can rename the category such that it clarifies that the members prefer other styles, or at least bibliography formats, over MLA. (I think the MLA paper format is ugly, but I absolutely hate the bibliography format because so many simpler ones exist.) Thomas Levine 00:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- delete. Collaborate by what you appreciate, not what you don't.--Mike Selinker 06:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - If renamed, this becomes a classic example of a "not" category: Wikipedians who do not like... - jc37 09:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
May 15
Football fans
- Category:Wikipedians who support Aberdeen F.C. to Category:Wikipedian Aberdeen F.C. fans
- Category:Wikipedians that support S.L Benfica to Category:Wikipedian S.L. Benfica fans
- Category:Wikipedian Egypt fans to Category:Wikipedian Egypt national football team fans
- Category:Wikipedians that support Grêmio Foot-Ball Porto Alegrense to Category:Wikipedian Grêmio Foot-Ball Porto Alegrense fans
- Category:Wikipedians that support Paris Saint-Germain to Category:Wikipedian Paris Saint-Germain FC fans
- Category:Wikipedians who support Queens Park Rangers to Category:Wikipedian Queens Park Rangers F.C. fans
- Category:South Melbourne FC fans to Category:Wikipedian South Melbourne FC fans
- Category:Wikipedians that support São Paulo FC to Category:Wikipedian São Paulo FC fans
and on a similar note:
- Category:Wikipedians who are Arena football League fans to Category:Wikipedian Arena Football League fans
More football fans. I’m certain about all of them except the Egypt one. I can’t tell if the Pharaohs alluded to in the userbox is the national team, or what.--Mike Selinker 16:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Egypt national football team says Pharaohs is a nickname. Is it good form for some articles to say FC and others to say F.C.? –Pomte 20:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- We're stuck with that, as the mainspace articles have this difference as well. I amended the Egypt one, and added an AFL one.--Mike Selinker 07:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hrm. In that case a discussion needs to take place about making the articles uniform. Until then, I suppose we can settle for having the categories as you propose, but eventually the categories need to become uniform as well. VegaDark (talk) 01:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- It becomes a problem of fact, not of categorization. Some countries use the periods and some don't. We shouldn't attempt to standardize them in that case.--Mike Selinker 07:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hrm. In that case a discussion needs to take place about making the articles uniform. Until then, I suppose we can settle for having the categories as you propose, but eventually the categories need to become uniform as well. VegaDark (talk) 01:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- We're stuck with that, as the mainspace articles have this difference as well. I amended the Egypt one, and added an AFL one.--Mike Selinker 07:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename all as nominated except the Egypt one (category name should match article name). Also there needs to be a standard F.C./FC as Pomte points out. VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename all, i realised the mistake i made as soon as i created the South Melbourne category, coulnd't be bothered/didn't know how to change it, figured someone would get round to it eventually lol. Blackmissionary 22:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - I vaguely recall one of MS's past group nominations at WP:CFD where there was a discussion and link confirming either F.C. or FC, but I don't recall much else. If someone can find the link, or even just more more information, that would be welcome : ) - jc37 09:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedian musicians
Category:Wikipedians by musical instrument
- Merge Category:Wikipedian musicians to Category:Wikipedians by musical instrument subcategories/depopulate. - With the exception of the composers subcat, these are effectively the same category. - jc37 14:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - as nominator. - jc37 14:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Just delete this, since there is no way to merge this without asking every person what instrument they play. Merging then depopulating would be a nonsensical extra step. VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. The scope laid out at the top of the category is too broad to be useful. –Pomte 03:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who like spicy food
- Category:Wikipedians who like spicy food - Per the UCFD discussion below, renominating this for deletion. - jc37 12:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - as nominator. - jc37 12:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete.--Mike Selinker 16:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Millions of people "like" spicy food, a category is not helpful as just because someone likes a food does not mean they would be more capable or likely to collaborate on articles relating to that food. VegaDark (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Conservapedian
Category:Wikipedists interested in researching history
May 14
Category:Wikipedians interested in general knowledge
- Category:Wikipedians interested in general knowledge - Potentially all-inclusive category. - jc37 08:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - as nominator. - jc37 08:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Facilitates collaboration on articles such as stuff and things! ...but we should delete it anyway. Serpent's Choice 11:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Most readers are general knowledgians; many Wikipedians may not be general knowledgians because they might have signed up to only edit a certain type of article. Still, I don't understand why people are using this generic category to represent themselves, as it's like being in the empty Category:Wikipedians by interest. –Pomte 19:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Does not facilitate collaboration. VegaDark (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
May 10
Wikipedians by video game console
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play Nintendo to Category:Wikipedians who play Nintendo games
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play Sega Dreamcast to Category:Wikipedians who play Sega Dreamcast games
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis to Category:Wikipedians who play Sega Genesis/Mega Drive games
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play Sony PlayStation to Category:Wikipedians who play Sony PlayStation games
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play PlayStation 2 games to Category:Wikipedians who play Sony PlayStation 2 games
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play PlayStation 3 games to Category:Wikipedians who play Sony PlayStation 3 games
- Rename Category:Wikipedians who play Xbox to Category:Wikipedians who play Xbox games
- Rename all - as nominator. Standardising names. - jc37 15:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename all to Category:Wikipedians interested in x games to convey a more collaborative intention. Rename as nominated if no consensus for this, except add "Microsoft" in the last one, as you kept the developer in each of the previous ones. VegaDark (talk) 02:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, except get rid of the manufacturers' names (Sega, Sony, and do not add "Microsoft"), except maybe in the case of Sega Mega Drive since "Genesis" needs disambiguation. Category names can be shortened if the meaning is clear, so the bottom of userpages are not cluttered with unnecessary text. The verb "play" does not express a support/favor like "like", so it's non-divisive. The userboxes, on the other hand, say "prefers over" and so are divisive by nature. –Pomte 20:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename Sega and Nintendo and Xbox as nominated, do not rename PlayStation 2 and 3, rename PlayStation to PlayStation games (no Sony). I definitely refer to a Dreamcast as a Sega Dreamcast, but never do I refer to my PlayStations as Sony PlayStations, nor an Xbox as a Microsoft Xbox.--Mike Selinker 18:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- The first PlayStation was often referred to as the Sony PlayStation. (Possibly due to legal issues, and the commercials thus creating a meme of sorts.) I've never seen the Xbox called the Microsoft Xbox anywhere. It's usually just a note "in addition". I alpha-sorted the Sega names (Genesis first), which allows us to drop the second Sega reference in the category name. However, considering that the article names it the Sega Mega Drive, perhaps we should just create Category:Sega Genesis as a cat redirect, and shorten the name even further. - jc37 00:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I suppose that's true, but I would be surprised if anyone who owns a PlayStation calls it that. The Sega Genesis is a continental issue: No one in Europe knows it as a Genesis, and no one in America knows it as a Mega Drive. I certainly don't think the clunky category title hurts here, given that.--Mike Selinker 15:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- The first PlayStation was often referred to as the Sony PlayStation. (Possibly due to legal issues, and the commercials thus creating a meme of sorts.) I've never seen the Xbox called the Microsoft Xbox anywhere. It's usually just a note "in addition". I alpha-sorted the Sega names (Genesis first), which allows us to drop the second Sega reference in the category name. However, considering that the article names it the Sega Mega Drive, perhaps we should just create Category:Sega Genesis as a cat redirect, and shorten the name even further. - jc37 00:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who play massively multiplayer online games
Category:Wikipedians who play Minesweeper
Category:Wikipedians who play Terraworld
User vocals cats
Dual boot cats
Spicy food levels
May 9
Primera División de México
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Category:Wikipedians who enjoy the Mexican soccer league → Category:Wikipedian Primera División de México fans
- (article: Primera División de México)
Category:Wikipedians are fans of Pumas UNAM → Category:Wikipedian Club Universidad Nacional fans
- (article: Club Universidad Nacional)
Category:Wikipedians who growl for the UANL Tigres → Category:Wikipedian UANL Tigres fans
- (article: UANL Tigres)
Category:Wikipedians who love Chivas de Guadalajara → Category:Wikipedian Club Deportivo Guadalajara fans
- (article: Club Deportivo Guadalajara)
Based on the convention in Category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams. These teams have multiple aliases, so it's best to stick to the article name until the article name changes. However, I think it's more clear to say "Wikipedian fans of Club..." because they can be construed as a "Wikipedian Club" of something. –Pomte 17:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename all per nom. VegaDark (talk) 17:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Rename all.--Mike Selinker 18:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)