Talk:Mickie James

Please stop moving around External Links

MickieJames.com is her official website, for all intents and purposes. Please leave it where it was. Thank you.

No. Unless you can provide documentation, it is not. Please sign your comments. Sephiroth storm 01:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Nude Modeling

I don't know if it's true or not, but does anyone have any info on how Mickie James was a nude model prior to joining WWE? The reason I ask is because a friend of mine sent me a link that has a bunch of nude pics of her. OutRider2003 12:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

As I keep adding, but for some reason, people keep removing: In late 1999 or early 2000, Mickie posed nude for photographer R.B. Kane. One set of these photos was featured in the May 2000 issue of Leg Show magazine and the others were featured on RB's website. --CJ 08:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

yes she did pose nude. I have seen the pics it was for R.B. Cane but i am not sure what magizene they were in.--JayDub 23:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Proof she posed nude

Since some people with nothing better to do, keep deleting the info about Mickie posing nude for Leg World, proof is located here: [1] --CJ 07:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Since others have disputed my previous proof (on an anonymous user's page of all places...), here is additional proof Mickie posed nude: click on the first thumbnail of the second row here [2] --CJ 08:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Amen! I love Mickie!!! Nice pics. Thanks Emilos 17:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)emilos

Whether it's really Mickie in those pictures or not is besides the point. The source used to verify the statement isn't reliable for a few reasons. Mainly, the pictures are a primary source of information, and require the editor/reader to interpret it and draw conclusions. There are too many questions that are left unanswered by the pictures, one of which has been illustrated on this talk page. Are the pictures real (not photoshopped)? Is it really her in the photos? Did she actually pose for those photos with the intent they be published in a magazine? Were these photos really featured in the May 2000 issue of Leg Show?

The editor/reader shouldn't have to draw their own conclusions from a source. Just handing someone a set of pictures and saying "you figure it out" won't cut it. The photos are a primary source of information which are used to support statements which can easily be qualified as original research. Due to the nature of the primary source, there needs to be a secondary source to interpret the photos and draw the conclusions. You can see WP:NOR for more. Either way, the pictures don't cut it as a source. Find a secondary source explaining the pictures instead. Ibm2431 07:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I completely disagree with your rationale, but I'm not going to change it back again-- atleast not right away. It seems that a certain percentage of Mickie fans for whatever reason, have a hard time dealing with her past as a nude model, that's all I'll say for now. --CJ 09:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not really a wrestling fan. I just stumbled across this page.. some way or another. We all know how it goes. XD Anyway, it's not that I have a hard time dealing with it, I'm just trying to impliment what I feel is the correct interpretation of WP:NOR. I left my rationale here so that we could all discuss and talk about it - what talk pages are for. ^^

However, if you're adamant on including it, I won't stop you. Just be prepared to back up your reasoning when another editor comes along and questions it. Cheers. Ibm2431 02:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It is most likely Mickie because Jerry Lawler has made subtle references to these pictures on RAW. HorseApples 06:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll just throw this out.... is it really necessary to have a link to an article with nude photos? Mshake3 03:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is wrong and I think we should update the privacy policy or something. Govvy 11:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought we were over this already, I already said nobody is sure that the girl who is posing nude is Mickey James, and there was no proof that its really her, I kept editing the article and somebody puts it back, and for some reason I was blocked from editing this page. Even if it was mickie james there are some information that is non of our business, if she wants to keep it private then let her keep it private, and i am gonna say it again we shouldn't have a link that shows nude photos since many younger kids might view this page. So can anybody erase the part where it says she posed nude and erase the link that shows nude photos. User:65.190.215.92

I agree, that we shouldn't have the photo's I want them to stop adding a link to them as well. Govvy 21:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not respect the privacy of others unless it is deemed illegal to not do so. If she didn't want people to know that she posed nude, then she shouldn't have posed nude. Porn is a secret that no one can keep. Anyway, I am still against linking to the pictures just because it isn't a reliable source, and they are scans of the magazine, so it is in violation of copyright laws as Govvy pointed out on the talk page for WP:PW. -- The Hybrid 17:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Celtic jobber what do you want me to discuss about you say you are right regardless of my reason so until she says it or the photographer says its her then you have zero proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheEdge85 (talk • contribs)

TheEdge, in the magazine it clearly says it is her, we have reviewed the magazine and come to the conclusion that this is Mickie James. However, we don't link to those photo's because they are a breach of that Magazines copyright. There is no harm in quoting the mag know. Govvy 23:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well Govvy im still not happy we have to say she posed nude but thank you for takeing that link off though i still hate we have to mention it

It is more than just a little bit notable that she posed nude. -- The Hybrid 03:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Must we continue to put the photogrspher's name when there is no link about him and why is there a direct link to leg show magazine.Neither of these two things are nessicary

The photographer isn't necessary, I agree, but the magazine is linked to as a source. Leave it, -- The Hybrid 01:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do we constantly need to post the pictures on the discussion section The whole point was to say she posed nude but not post the pictures. The discussion section is just as accesable and are a breach of copyright as well i think the links need to not appear on the discussion section either

Who ever posted the comment above needs to sign it. Also, for evidence it's okay to quote it in this section. I just don't like the massive removal of other peoples talk from IPs. Govvy 21:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There is still no proof that she posed nude it wasn't official that the girl on these pictures is mickie james i don't care how much people argue about it nobody is 100% sure 18:02, 6 February 2007) Killeronly

We have investigated enough to know it is her and to me it's pretty clear proof! Govvy 19:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe that no one knows if it is her or not. I watch the WWE and the pictures dont resemble her entirely. 10:22, 30 March 2007 gameplaya

That is original research. The magazine says that it was her, so it was her. If it wasn't, then she would be allowed to sue them. -- The Hybrid 02:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree because, as someone said before, WWE wouldn't have hired her if she posed nude. I also agree with another person who said before that whoever put the thumbnail there, they didn't make a good call because, little kids can easily be exposed to the pictures. 6:34, March 31 2007 gameplaya

Wikipedia is not censored for children. Now, we don't know the WWE's hiring policies. Defending your POV with OR will not win you the argument. The magazine says that it was her. If they had lied, then she could sue them. -- The Hybrid 22:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. I now agree that it is Mickie James. gameplaya 7:23 31 March 2007

The Hybrid, what magizine said that the girl in the pictures is in fact Mickie James? 10:48 31 March 2007

Legshow, the one that she posed in. -- The Hybrid 02:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

We do know the WWE's policy, in fact, this isn't hold against a woman for posing nude before joining the WWE. For instance, Candice Michelle before signing to the WWE had on her CV she posed nude for Playboy. They even incorporated it into her theme. Govvy 14:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ditto with Ashley Massaro , she posed for Playboy under a different name in her past and was still hired by WWE. Posted by IP:208.120.1.249

Yes she posed nude for the 2000 legshow. That's her it even talks about her loving professional wrestling. Ask her on her myspace page and she will tell you. And Alexis Laree is her real name.→ Posted by The Icon Sean Foreman, 00:54, 19 April 2007

Candice Michelle actually posed for bondage Pictures (I have them) and and everyone knows Vince actually likes that stuff because it enhances the T&A of the Diva. This is why the WWE promotes the heck out of the girls when the pose for Playboy. I say we meet half way and post that it is "believed by many" that she posed for nudes, but that this can't be fully verified. Fully acurate and with in the spirt of Wiki.--Deepintexas 02:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If it can't be fully verified, then it fails WP:V, a core policy, and cannot be included in the article. Bmg916^Speak 02:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Mick and Chick Kick

Why is the Mick Kick and the Chick Kick both on Mickie's move list? They're the same move. I'm removing the Chick Kick. --Killswitch Engage 04:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

It's because she copied from Trish, who named her move the Chick Kick, and Mickie copied her and named

it the Mick Kick. She also copied Trish's Stratusfaction, though I don't know what she changed it to.

TNA miniskirt comment

I've removed the comment that says she wore miniskirts in all her matches because

A. what's the point? B. It's not true. In her mixed tag with Red she wore pants

WrestleMania 22

There's little mention about the real interesting story of 22 (as I saw it); that of the 'unusual' fan reaction towards James (mirrored in the main event when former favourite Cena was booed). As the article currently establishes, storylines had set James up to be a heel, with a collection of violent attacks, psychotic outbreaks and general stalker-esque tendancies towards fan-favourite Trish Stratus. They also teemed her up with the heels, Victoria and Michelle against the 'good girls.' But during the Mania match, the fans almost unanimously sided behind James, much to the evident surprise of ringside commentators. I've heard it suggested that this was a reaction to an introduction of any interesting character (and talented wrestler) into the women's area which has recently rolled along on little more than Wilson and Michelle's silicone, but whatever the reasons, I feel it deserves mention, especially since it seemed to be completely unanticipated by the WWE creative team. - Hayter 08:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes fans just turn on a wrestler in a town. There's really no reason as to why. If this was more of a trend against Trish, then I would be inclined to probably go more into detail. OsFan 14:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree! (Fr3nZi3 18:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC))

I think the fans were just tired of Trish being champ and they wanted a new one

I think everyone saw how much better of a wrestler she was. Plus you gotta realize she became one of the most intriguing wrestlers in recent memory, men's or women's. It was a great storyline and even though I thought she was one of the best heels, I couldn't stop applauding her.

The sentiment Trish received was due to two things: 1. she held the belt for too long and hardly defended it and 2. Mickie's character was more of a tweener. She did alot of "messed up" stuff, but she was most certainly playing to the crowd. So there was a mix of sentiments in the crowd. Her character at the time, despite a little "psychotic" was one of the more popular characters at the time.

Who wouldn't cheer a lesbian?

Mickie engaged to kenny??

—When did Mickie and Kenny get engaged?And what proff is there that they did?I would really like to know:)205.188.116.12 16:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Diana D.

Mickie's spoken about it a lot on her MySpace profile. --Steveweiser 20:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

She doesn't have a MySpace. 69.140.12.149 21:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It is mentioned it in this article [3] from Mickie's hometown newspaper, in this quote: "Sandra Knuckles, a real estate agent, recently sold a house to James and her fiance, Ken Doane, also a WWE wrestler, in King William County." --CJ 08:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes she has a myspace. Like alot of the divas and she is engaged to Kenny from the spirit squad. → Posted by The Icon Sean Foreman, 00:52, 19 April 2007

If she has a Myspace, what is it then?→Insert:(please sign your posts ~~~~)→Gdfanatic21594 04:01, 30 April 2007 dude she doesnt have a myspace their fakes I have added five before and they all told me that they were just fans.

"Mickie-D-T"

Can someone please provide some proof that indeed Mickie's Spinning DDT is called the Mickie-DT! Otherwise I don't think it belongs on here. I am going to put up a citation notice--please don't delete it without adding a citation! --Fr3nZi3 15:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Jim Ross has referred to her move many times over as the Mickie-DT, even though her WWE.com bio does not list the move. --Steveweiser 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

All fair and good! PROVE IT!!!! You can't just say that Jim Ross calls it that you have to show proof like what I did with Lita. --Fr3nZi3 15:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject: Louisville???

Why? Mickie James is from Richmond, Virginia...that's been very well documented. Someone please change that, please? If anything, she should be part of "Wikiproject: Richmond". ThePacMan 17:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

As a matter of decorum, only project members should be adding or removing their respective project tag. This should have been brought up in WPLouisville project talk before removal. Nevertheless, upon review, this removal appears to be acceptable. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Well WWE.com, under finishers for the Fantasy Mode, calls it a Modified DDT so maybe it should just be called that since the WWE recognizes it that way.

Mickie-DT II

She has another DDT that they call the Mickie-DT.It's like a jumping DDT,but she lifts up herself almost vertical instead of horizontal.Can somebody add it to her page?

Source for the Melina/Mickie off-screen dislike

Would someone mind using this as the source? Ringbabe.net doesn't have it anymore.

http://www.owow.com/frameindex.htm?goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.owow.com%2FRingsideWith%2FMelinaPerez%2FInterviews%2FInterview_10-15-05.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.12.149 (talk) 19:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

This comment by Melina has not been confirmed as her own words why is this always reposted since nobody aggres that melina posted this

It's probably a load of rubbish, just ignore it. Govvy 21:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Melina did say that and Melina and Mickie do share a mutual dislike of one another in real life. Well according to my knowledge. --Fr3nZi3 08:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Its a conspiracy propagated by Melina fans and in fact was never confirmed by anybody

Please sign your comments. I know the off-screen feud between the two is real, simply because I've heard about it so many times. I still can't find a reliable source though. The Unknowledgeable Genius 00:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

No false false false, they do not hate or dislike each other. Here's an idea, if you don't know her or anyone in the buisness don't start spreading rumors. That quote or article that whoever posted about Melina saying that she doesn't like Alexis or "Mickie" is false. It's not even really Melina. That's how problems get started so stop it. → Posted by The Icon Sean Foreman, 00:50, 19 April 2007

Nudity Issues

can someone please erase the information on her posing nude for Leg Show magazine? :( its disgusting

Wikipedia is not censored, not even for pornography or profanity. That's official policy. Valley2city 04:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

We have censored it down as much as we can with-in WP guidelines. Govvy 10:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The link is unneeded. It doesn't link to pictures...it links to legshow.com. What does that prove? The info should simple state that she posed nude for Leg Show magazine. That way, if someone wants to go find the pictures they can. It's not about censoring; the issue is relevancy. Thoughts? Nikki311 01:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

What link are you talking about. I believe that there 3 links. gameplaya 7:54, 31 March 2007

Signature moves

I am against putting down generic moves down on the page as signature moves--like "flying forearm"--that is a universal wrestling move, which is equivalent of putting say: "hammerlock" as a signature move. Also universal roll ups, and counters shouldn't really be listed either. If Mickie uses a one handed cartwheel into a monkey flip--write monkey flip, because one handed cartwheels are generic reversals that everyone uses. --Fr3nZi3 19:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hogan's "signature move" is a leg drop. JBL's was a Clothesline. If it's something that's consistently used by them, it doesn't matter if it's a generic wresting move that everyone uses. Abalu 04:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Abalu

Fansite

Somebody keeps readding a fansite to the page.Action Practitioner 23:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Official Website?

I see no evidence that www.mickiejames.com is her official website, the site has no diclaimers or notice of affiliation with WWE. It is the property of a Kevin R. Fields, TheWrestler.net. →Posted by Sephiroth storm 23:00, 19 April 2007

If that is the case I guess it should be removed. Govvy 10:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Overzealous DDT

That can't be the name of her DT! It's called The "Mickie-DT", Joey Styles even said that was her finisher's name in The Cheerleader Match. Im changing it.

THANKS, SOMEBODY FOR GETTING THE IMFORMATION THAT IS WAS A MICKIE-DT, I KEPT CHANGING TO THAT, BUT THEY CHANGED IT BACK.

Just because he said it once doesnt change what its called all the time. its called the impailer ddt or implant ddt, via her wwe.com OFFICAL profile. Myselfimmortal 21:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Signature Moves

Why Isn't the Stratusfaction listed as one of her finishing (or at least signature) moves? She used it for a long time while Trish was still wrestling. dR 11:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I Bet cuz Mickie only used to Mock Trish, not as an actual finisher. Well, actually i take that back cuz she used it while she was "obsessed" with Stratus, so i guess the move was revolving around Stratus cuz she hasnt used it in front of anyone else (someone plz prove me wrong if im incorrect)

Mickie James' theme error.

I don't know who put that in that Mickie used Trish Stratus' theme until New Year Revolution 2006 because that is COMPLETELY wrong. Mickie used her theme up to TABOO TUESDAY 2005, when they finally gave Mickie her own theme music. It changed to "Obsession" (her latest theme) at New Year Revolution 2006. Get the facts right now.

Oummm... sowwy, lol, that was me.... but someone edited by saying "exclusive", lol, i still remember hearing it the day after New Years Revolution... anywayz, i found out Mickie used "Im Just a Girl" by Gwen Stefani in her OVW Days. Heres the link for proof http://youtube.com/watch?v=mnHpznEMqy8

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reno211 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Fair use rationale for Image:16 mickie.jpg

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Mickie James V.S. Victoria on Smackdown 6/29/07

WHOEVER OWNS THIS PAGE PLEASE STOP DELETING MY CONTRIBUTION ON YOUR PAGE, MICKIE CERTAINLY DEFEATED VICTORIA AT SMACKDOWN ON 6/29/07. WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT??? YOU NEED TO GO TO WWW.WWE.COM TO FIND OUT WHAT IM SAYING IS TRUE. I AM SO PISSED BECAUSE EVERY TIME I CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PAGE YOU DELETE IT.JUST SO YOU KNOW, WIKIPEDIA IS FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY, EVEN THOUGH YOU CREATED THIS PAGE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU OWN THE PAGE!!! OH MY GOD. PLEASE LEAVE ME A MESSAGE USER :Polarbear12345 18:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

We're not denying that Mickie James defeated Victoria. That's not what is in dispute. The reason it is being removed is because it is week by week information. A single match here or there is not notable. Only matches that add to her overall career are included. - Deep Shadow 02:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Please read over WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Your yelling and your unfounded accusations are quite the turn-off. Also, please see WP:PW, as that page lists many of the project policies that wrestling articles are held to. If you have any questions, then you may ask them on the project talk page, or you may feel free to ask me personally on my talk page. Cheers, The Hybrid 03:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

FCW?

It has come to my attention that Mickie James wrestled in Florida Championship Wrestling under the name Alexis Larree. The spelling of the last name is different, but she is listed on their site as a former Champion, and is currently their #1 rated wrestler. Source: /www.fcwwrestling.com Sephiroth storm 01:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Laree

It's Laree not Larree and she was never in FCW, FCW was just started after DSW ended so no I deny that Mickie James has ever been in FCW especially as Alexis Larree.

The Picture

Whoever put that disgusting picture of Mickie James as her main top. Plz change it because it doesn't look good at all. Thankyou. 76.215.176.31 22:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, that picture is a free-use image and the best one we've got. Unless you have a better picture of her (that you yourself took), I wouldn't complain. At least she has one, unlike a lot of other articles. Nikki311 23:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Well what happened to the last one? 76.215.176.31 23:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted because it wasn't a free-use image. Nikki311 00:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Well why'd that person put it up then in the first place? 75.8.54.152 19:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)