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Racking (graffiti)
I agree that this article probably should not exit, I just don't like deleting other people's work so I moved the section in the Racking article to this page. It's totally repeative of it's entry in Graffiti terminology. I will start a speedy deletion process. Earthdirt (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help...
... on Rémi Gaillard. Man, been around for so long, still, I can't seem to create a perfect page on my own. Anyway, thanks a bunch. *thumbs up* aenariel (talk) 01:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- No problem, all small things. And anyway, helping eachother out making better articles is what Wikipedia is about, so really, quite welcome. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Non-speciesist egalitarianism
Hi Martijn, thanks for your message. The article does indeed address animal rights, but if I can't find a suitable title for it (I've asked Keeper if "Non-speciesism" would be acceptable; please see my message to him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Keeper76 -- what do you think?), and if turned into a mere paragraph, it should probably be added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism and then linked under See More at the Animal Rights and Human Rights pages -- I would appreciate your help in resolving this. I truly appreciate it. My email address, if you prefer to write me directly, is [...] -- Kind regards, Stig Shousokutsuu (talk) 21:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- To keep track of things, and keep all debate public, I usualy prefer to keep all discussion on Wikipedia. I don't think the title of any article should be a neologism, I would even prefer "equality of humans and animals" (even if you would object that that humans are animals, just to prevent awkward situations, that I'm sure you can imagine with the alternative versions of this title). I've got a guideline for you to read through though, as it may be closely related to the difficulties in this subject. WP:NOR, and specificly WP:SYN. I also have a 'what not to do'. That would be flooding wikipedia with alternatives of your page. It would be disruptive, and could even be seen vandalism, as it is trying to 'sneak an article through', ignoring consensus and process. That is the last thing you would want. I'll give you a hand here and there if you want, and if you have specific problems, and you think I can help you with that, just let me know. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
That's alright, let's do the talking here. I appreciate your help immensely. Could I call the article "Animals and Egalitarianism"? If this is not also considered a neologism, it would be a good alternative. If this is acceptable, how should I proceed? I know you suggest I don't create yet another article; could I change the title of the current article? Thanks again for your help. -- Kind regards, Stig Shousokutsuu (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- as a courtesy, I'm providing this link to my talk page so you can see a similar conversation with user:Shousokutsuu (Stig) in regards to this topic. Keeper | 76 22:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- sounds good to me. I'm going to be offline for about 48 hours starting in about 2 minutes. Tomorrow is an American holiday. Cheers, Keeper | 76 23:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Martijn -- thank you very much! If both 'Vegalitarianism' and 'Animal Egalitarianism' do get deleted, please help me with the correct procedure in establishing a modified version of the article titled 'Animals and Egalitarianism.' Soon; and thanks again! -- Stig Shousokutsuu (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Martijn, I read your comment at the Animal Egalitarianism AfD; I'm not familiar with the procedure you suggest, but it sounds like this is the way to go. I had barely started on the article when it was tagged for deletion, and without knowing about Wikipedia's policies against neologisms I chose the wrong title. Can I delete both Animal Egalitarianism and Vegalitarianism right away and then do as you suggest; or do we need the agreement of the editors engaged in the current AfDs? Or is it best to wait for the verdict? (After all, a some editors say "if" the article(s) are deleted, not "when.") -- Cheers, Stig Shousokutsuu (talk) 20:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- The if/when issue is mostly formal. It is impolite to assume the article will get deleted, so people say 'if'. In fact, it is almost certain that the article will be deleted. Userfication is the process where an article is moved from the main space to a subpage of your talkpage. You can further edit it there without the risk of deletion. I'm not quite sure what would be needed to move it back to the mainspace once it's done. A simple move could be in order, but maybe a deletion review is preferable. (I'll check up on that process). If you request deletion of the page, you can put {{db-author}} at the top of the page, with a request for userfication under it, it will be deleted very soon after that, and moved to your userpage by an admin. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I'll add the following:
{{db-author}} (without the 'no-wiki's)
I ask that this page be moved to my personal talk page for userfication to allow me to edit the page and give it a title that is not a neologism; "Animals and Egalitariansim," perhaps. -- Cheers, Stig Shousokutsuu (talk) 21:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Information you requested
Read here between 1849H and 1859H on 23NOV2007 Mindraker (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Take it back to admin intervention. Mindraker (talk) 19:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
RE:Page Patrol
Hi, Rudget. I'm a little concerned about the swiftness with which you mark newpages as patrolled. For example, Paleolith, Not Real,Squier Stratocaster Alexander custom, True broadband, Kaukonahua River, and others. I appreciate the hard work you are doing, and there is an enormous backlog on unpatrolled pages, but I believe that is more important that the patroles are done well, then that the backlog is diminished (or it's growth slowed down in any event). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- I don't really see what I've done incorrectly. I understand and appreciate your comments, but to be honest, swift patrols are needed in my opinion. The users which consistently recreate pages that have been deleted is quite a problem. All of the articles you've quoted, although only a few, haven't been deleted. I maintain strict policies on what pages I judge to be articles that will get deleted and which won't. Marking "bad" pages as patrolled is what I do, and all articles which I have patrolled and been deleted, are as a result of my patrolling and flagging. If I see obvious vandalism pages, test pages, advertisment pages etc. I definitely flag them. NewPages is a good way to sort these edits, and so swift patrolling is needed. Regards, Rudget.talk 19:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Since patrolled pages are so new, there mights till be some room for interpetation on when a page should be patrolled. I think our oppinions differ a bit on that one. I see a page should be marked only as 'patrolled', if it is 'wikipedia ready' so to speak. Tagged with the proper tags (for example unreferenced, tone, wikify, etc). The pages I mentioned all had some major issues that weren't adressed in tags. When patrolling newpages, I more often slightly clean up an article, and tag them with relevant further issues, then mark for deletion (in whatever from, CSD, PROD, or AfD). Marking pages that don't meet deletion criteria, but are lacking proper improvement tagging leads other editors, me for example, not to review them any further. So personly, I much prefer to see them left marked unpatrolled if they have issues that haven't been tagged, even if they are not clearly deletable. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Here are some examples where I have cleaned up the page as a part of the patrolling process:
- Strange Weather (disambiguation)
- Mavis Evans
- La Familia P.Luche
- [[1]] - (which has now been salted per my request at RFP)
- GenoPro
- Cardinal electors in Papal conclave, 1922
I also looked back at my contributions to see what had changed since my last edit, (as I always do) and found that Mutual Fund Directors Forum had been put up at AFD, at which, I've commented. These are only a few examples of where I have done what you say I haven't, by which I quote "...issues that weren't addressed in tags". Which my examples disprove. Regards, Rudget.talk 20:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you are certainly doing good work with your edits, I'm not denying that! It was just a note to keep us all sharp. Don't feel attacked by my remarks (as a non-native speaker my words may have been harsher than I meant). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reasoning in this situation. I am grateful we have users like you patrolling pages, having a difference opinion helps in my opinion (because it helps to drive projects forward, although it could be seen as the opposite aswell). I only hope we come across one another once again, and our actions can help to patrol new pages in a better manner. Thank you. Regards, Rudget.talk 20:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Speaking for myself
Speak for yourself, Hoekstra. Mindraker (talk) 19:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- I am speaking for myself. For who else would I be speaking? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
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Deletion of Sarah Van Patten Page
Please explain why Sarah Van Patten bio page was deleted. She is one of fewer than 100 female principal ballet dancers in the United States and Wikipedia has a section for ballet dancer bios - which was where this page was headed. This section already contains lots of bios of dancers with less experiences and less achievement than Sarah. Thanks for your response.Jimvanpat (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, Jim. I did not delete your page, but I suggested that it was speedily deletable for no assertion of notability. The reviewing administrator, user:Random832, reviewed the comments on the talkpage of the article, and agreed with you that "principal dancer" is an assertion of notability, which makes the article ineligable for speedy deletion. If you have any more questions about deletion, the special flavours of deletion, or other questions regarding wikipedia, feel free to ask me, the WP:HELPDESK, or per helpme tag. I placed a welcome template on your talkpage that contains some usefull links. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer of help (and the great examples of reviewer's comments!) I have some reviews already but aren't sure how to use them. What is the best way to share these reviews with you so I might benefit from your experience?Jimvanpat (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- If they are websites, just dump them here, or on the talkpage of the article, or even better, in a reference section of the article (if there isn't one yet, I'll make one).Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Done. leave them at the comment.Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help with the website. I've tried to re-load the image with the GFDL self-made license (I took the picture) but it refuses to re-load a file with the same name. I'm stuck again. Please help!Jimvanpat (talk) 14:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- Did you take the picture that is already uploaded, or are you talking about a new picture? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I took the picture and was trying to re-load it. But I think I figured it out, and correctly added the license notice. Now, how do I add the picture to the page? You have been great, by the way. Thanks so much for the help!Jimvanpat (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Re: Don't sweat it (God is Dead)
Thanks for the kind words. :-) Take care. —Caesura(t) 23:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- No problem, Happy editing. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 23:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
RyanP on ArbComm
Yes, I saw that. my Approve is already prepared. Couldn't happen to a better feller Tonywalton | Talk 00:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- I do support him, but being currently involved in an MedCom he mediates, I feel I have somewhat of a COI to approve there. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 00:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Your UAA report
S.trehub has now been blocked as a vandal-only account: he turned from writing attack articles to vandalising existing articles, so the impersonation issue was overtaken by events! Regards, BencherliteTalk 00:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- So I noticed. Another one down. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Mark Price
Please explain why you are deleting Mark Price rather than just deleteing it - thanks hes is a senior figure of the a very large and expanding supermarket! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SanityFreeZone (talk • contribs)
- I tagged the article for speedy deletion, because the article does not indicate why Mark Price is a notable figure. You can find the criteria for notability in general on WP:N, and for persons in specific on WP:BIO. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)