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NFB WW2 propaganda films

Well, I meant that NFB allows for people to view (and download?) complete films, over 600 in fact, through Cineroute on their website, but only if one joins the NFB Film Club, and one can only join that if one is Canadian. I was wondering if, if t is legal of course, that you could download one of their WW2 vids from them and possibly e-mail it to myself? I don't want to sell it or anything, just curious what a full length Canadian WW2 film would be like, since I've seen so many of the other countries. The NFB site itself only has clips.--Dudeman5685 21:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Well thanks anyway for letting me know. I'll be satisfied with the clips at NFB Cineroute. I'm just always trying to get a larger perspective on history. And, BTW, there are a few of the NFB war titles availble on VHS for Intnl. Historic Films, a private company.--Dudeman5685 02:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


7 Wise Dwarfs, ACK ACK and ATS in the Canadian section

Hi again. I found no mention of 7 Wise Dwarfs, ACK ACK, nor ATS in the NFB's online collection. Are you sure about them? Shawn in Montreal 15:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I beleive they are animated films made in conjunction with Walt Disney. In fact I've seen 7 Wise Dwarfs on the Disney WWII DVD. There was also a Canadian artillery training film on the same collection, which might be one of the others your refering too.
You're right however. I've already set a princle that this list excludes animation. (I'm planning on making yet another page "Cartoons of World War II" when I'm done with this. Or satisfactorilly done with this.--Dudeman5685 23:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As for ACK ACK, it was the english title for Défense contre avions directed by Peter Baylis in 1941, according to |IMDB. Not sure yet how "ATS" got in there, but I'll look.--Dudeman5685 00:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ATS, which stood for Auxiliary Territorial Service, has a page on the NFB website, here, but I looked closer and the producer listed is the UK Ministry of Information, so thats probably why its not in the other list. I'll put in it the british section.--Dudeman5685 04:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: vandalism

Since the last user_talk warning he got was from a long time ago, I gave him a starter-warning and thats that. He hasn't vandalized other pages in a while. It is possible it is also a different user using an IP that changes dynamically depending on who the ISP gives it to. This is why after about 48 hours since the last vandalism we give the starter-warning again. Sorry I can't do anything more. JoeSmack Talk 19:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Of Mice and Men vandal

Thanks for catching that one. I usually leave a tab open and refresh vandal IP's contributions occasionally for about 15 minutes, to know if they make any more edits or whether they've gone away; I must have just missed this one. I should have caught it later next time I checked my own contributions list for missing (top) marks, but thanks for getting it earlier :) --Firien § 10:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • PS I find it unlikely that they'll be blocked quite yet; there usually needs to be an escalation of warnings from {{test1}} through {{test5}} skipping stages as appropriate. There should probably be a final warning (test5 or something similar) before blocking; 4 vandal edits in a row is tiresome, but they were pretty minor so probably not technically worth a full block yet. If it escalates, then WP:VIP is the next port of call, to alert an admin about it. --Firien § 10:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User Warnings

Hi, I spotted your message on WP:AIAV, I just wanted to tell you that you don't need to be an admin to issue a warning on a user talk page. I personally have put thousands of warnings without being an administrator myself ;) If you want to learn more about our most used templates, you can check Template:TestTemplates. Happy Editing! -- lucasbfr talk 22:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SharedIP tag

Hi Shawn. I tend to evaluate whether to use the {{sharedIP}} tag on a case by case basis. If, after looking up the IP, it's clear that it is probably being used by multiple users or is registered to a school or corporation, I typically place the tag. Not only does it (hopefully) discourage further vandalism, but it also serves as a message to an innocent editor who just so happens to use the same IP in the future that vandalism warnings may not be directed at them. · j e r s y k o talk · 18:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In re "subst", Wikipedia:Template substitution is helpful. Note that there are some templates that you should not use "subst" with and there are some you always use "subst" with. The template page itself should tell you, however. I probably should not have used subst with the sharedIP template, but it's not forbidden either. · j e r s y k o talk · 20:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John Feeney

Hi Shawn,

This article looks good to me. --YUL89YYZ 18:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Best Animated Short

Hmm, I was sure they were different awards.

Merge and create a redirect?

ShakespeareFan00 00:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCast

Hello - It's me again

I noted from your webpage that you work in the film industry.

I figured you might thus be interested in WikiCast an attempt to get 'free' content programmes made. The WikiCast project has a wiki at http://www.bitshuffle.org/wikicast/Main_Page

Thanks.

ShakespeareFan00 00:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List(s) of winners

Hi Shawn, Montreal World Film Festival has no lists of winners. Not all awards have lists, in the List of film awards, but the Montreal scene might be of interest to develop and you seem to be right in the middle of it. So I dropped you this note just in case. Hoverfish Talk 21:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Before you continue note I have got as far as putting films from [[:Category:Canadian films] up to letter I so if you could put the remaining I-Z in the tables that would be terrific. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I agree. For the larger film producers it is important that a column of notability is there. I would like to see most film documented but not e.g short doucmentary film, short animation or one off indepeenent feature films etc. However I would strongly like to keep the release dates as eventually I plan that each year has the list of films in order of date of release. Maybe Date of release column should go next to year? and then award column on the end?Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note though that there are many films featuring major actors that were never nominated for awards if this is so and the film is still of moderate note you could write none or N/A. You see I am really trtying to grap the cinema history of each country of the world by the scruff of the neck (so to speak) and document the film history which I beleive is extrmeely useful. It also hels to understand the period and directors and actors. As the list develops maybe the more fuller years will be split off by year all listed in the right navigation box.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Slippery thing notability

As you probably saw in village pump, notability is nothing to go by in an effort to limit film articles. "Famous" is also undefinable. So how do we go about it? If you take a look at missing Australian films, Ausiepete is doing an effort to limit his compilation. For me the priorities are: Awarded and nominated films, top grossing and wide release (but I know little about this group), important directors' filmographies, important (starring) actors' filmographies, but again anyone could interpret importance in one's own opinion. Then there is the cult scene, of which I know very little. Some people adore B-movies and make detailed compilations of their favorite genres. And the story goes on and on. What Blofeld is doing, is he copies from imdb many thousands of titles (see here*) and then by some criteria that I ignore "filters them down" to less than many thousands. You are not talking to a deletionist, so I keep this kind of utopic hope that out of all this something encyclopedically useful will come out. It's sort of and Ed Wood feeling, finding myself in the middle of editors who do as they feel inclined to. I simply step in when their actions complicate collective work, like when Blofeld tried to create all kinds of cross-categories and there was a general outcry and so I nominated a whole series for deletion. From what you write, I am positive that your contributions are in the right direction. Actually it would help me a lot if you share your thoughts on how we could establish that missing column on (notabilty? - importance? - ?). I encourage you to go about the Canadian list as you feel inclined. If you think Blofeld started right, keep it going. If you feel he missed some or included films you wouldn't, say so. I do try to follow as many threads as I can, especially on the issue of lists of films and film awards (not only the giant ones). That's the very reason I keep encouraging every editor working on awards to make lists of winners and (if possible and practical nominees). IMO it's a good place to start. Hoverfish Talk 18:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite with you on non-confrontation, although that's not always the most constructive way. What I am adamant, however, is that it's very good for one interested user to undertake one country at a time. Please, go ahead with the Canadian lists, take over and do as you deem best. If it comes to confrontation because of your way of doing it, I will interfere. I am more concerned about coming up with something useful AND manageable, than letting everything open-ended with a cloud-hidden future. I'll be closely watching progress on the Canadian lists of the main namespace (not so interested in the huge "missing films by country", although for some it may be a useful tool indeed). Hoverfish Talk 19:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canada

Hi I haven't got around to adding the Canadian missing lists or filtering them yet. As I have told certain users time and time again I spent a great deal of time and effort in quickly checking each one for notability - it is a list of missing feature films. In the filtering I remove for example short documentaries or really low films from the list leaving a list of feature films to add to wikipedia which I beleive will be expanded fully later. Often I leave out one off films or independent films unless they have some notability for awards etc. I only start articles that I beleive can be fully expanded later. I think it is a great idea to add a few more columns for awards/nominations , genre etc.

However despite my efforts and help to other users - being highly praised by many many users outside of film (including many admin), for some reason a handful of users like hoverfish and C Brown are highly critical and cynical of my efforts beleiveing I am too bold, and even after many thousands of contributions whatever I do I cannot convince them I am of value! I noticed that in his message to you, you can see he is still very dubious of my work - it really annoys me that they continue to disrespect me like this. They haven't got the foggiest about my potential and I guarantee you if they met me they would regard me very very differently. I have noticed that they have not offically welcomed me into the film project with the green box like they have to you and all the others -but they don't own anything more than you or I do. I feel I am doing a good job which will be highly useful soon, so rather than waste my time in trying to prove to them what I can do (and still not getting any good reaction) I have given up on speaking to them.

Do you speak French by any chance? - I have begun on the missing French lists. All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll complete I and J now if you like for the canadian list. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find it incredible though that despite my work, that some users in film think my new articles derived from the missing lists like Aa Ab Laut Chalen are not of encyclopedic value to wikipedia. I personally think it is a very good move at establishing global film on wikipdia. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You see the idea with the date of release was to not only order the films by year of release but eventually put them in date order so we eventually havea timeline of Canadian cinema releases through history. I do beleive that a column for awards is more important than this. But how about adding both but moving the date of release to the beginning next to the year? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent actually I am tiring of the idea of date order now it is not really important. Although change the header from notability to AwardsErnst Stavro Blofeld 15:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The header Notability though does cover other aspects apart from awards such as last films of actors etc so its good. I'm sure than even for the non super films there will be some useful notes to add even if it didn't win an award. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, let's leave it as Notability and see what gathers under it. It's just a header, so if a more successful term is found we can change it any time. About release dates within a year, they would be practical only if we turn all these tables to sortable ones, in which case however we have to standardise what we enter in other columns, so sorting by column would make sense. Again, that's something that could wait till we get Notability completed. Ok? Hoverfish Talk 16:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I feel it is very imortant for cultural issues such as this etc. Looking good i added a note to the 1984 film. And I was adding a notability and genre column before I started but I found it wouldn't fit on the page!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have listed all the Canadian films in Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Canada Films. However i din't realise how many pornos canada produces!!! I don't really think that films such as F**k my ass 5 are suitable for our list do you? All of those can be removed in bulk and I bet many of the other more "innocent" films are probably not feature films or suitable. Feel free to sort it out Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I have an idea. Why not kill two birds with one stone (so to speak - not that this has anything to do with birds!) and have the column labelled Notability/Release. You see as the list develops and more films are added by year I would like them to be in order of release to get an indication of film historyy -kind of like a document. Notability should be given first then underneath the date released I'll give you an exaple for the 1960s you have started work on Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent mate. I see you are interested in short films. I don't know if you know but you can use the break (please see behind this edit now) (
) to put something on a different line e.g notability/ Release - the note first Award, Nom etc then on next line the date of release - so probably each film in the list will have two lines - this would probably be needed for the actors anyway -I feel it more important to give relevant info than being skinny. I broke off 1950s and 1940s decades for you nicely. I'll continue in a minute I just have about 10 images to upload to the commons and then put in some local geo articles. The weather is BEAUTIFUL today!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why has Hoverfish added genre before the notability? Notability should come first, then date of release. It would be good if we could squeeze genre and date into a final column. I have just been added pictures see the main pics on Viaduct, Porthkerry Park, and Bristol Channel. Nice pics hey? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I am just pondering on this. I agree with Hoverfish that genre is needed too= particularly to support the notability e.g Best Film of 1962 but what is it about? you know? However we should devise a short hand abbeviation for the tables . Documentary written in a table like this is silly it should be Docu. A key can be drawn on every page. It should look uncluttered Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also date of release would be e.g Jan 1 not JanuaryErnst Stavro Blofeld 16:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've solved it. Aside every genre there is wasted space -here we put the release -see the top of List of Canadian films:1960s now this is how every entry should look -now we have all three elements nicely in position and it is still very clear Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I'll just adjust the other tables now I wish Hoverfish had waited. It would have saved his time. Actually I surprised myself there is room for the full word -I think abbreviations should only be used if the note is very long and or the film is in multiple genres agreed? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. For some reason Hoverfish has removed my work from the header? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have given my reason in your talk page: The first column IS release, it can also take date. Hoverfish Talk 16:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shawn, take a look at Events in 2004 in film. The fisrt column can be split to take in date, so year doesn't have to be repeated. I did some more work, adding directors etc. You are all welcome to revert and do as you like, but keep in mind that I am crediting both of you for your work in the lists in the upcoming newsletter, so these lists are about to be viewed by many, so I am trying to put some missing info etc. Hoverfish Talk 16:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I feel it very appropriate to mention the relase particularly as there would be a wasted space next to it anyway. These are CANADIAN lists and should document the cinema release of that country in order -if the film is of note it can be linked in 2004 in film Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would bloat the column if you split the year column by adding month and date. Its best to just put May 1 or Aug.10 in the end box. No one can really argue that the lists aren't fine like this. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I've said before, I do agree that the films are given in chronoligical order in the country lists. The only question is how best to do it. If you like, I can covert one of the years per first column = release date and we can see if it makes good sense. I have seen it done often, by the way. Hoverfish Talk 17:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hoverfish agrees with as that the date order is correct. For the years that have produced e.g 10 + notable films date is useful for understanding the chrono order they were released but also it tells us when the film premiered which I feel is an important note. I am happy for him to convert the column if it doesn't bloat it. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shawn, take a look at the 70ies. If you think it's too much clutter, I can revert as it was before. I am neutral so long as the columns make some clear sense. Hoverfish Talk 18:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, from the moment we start using tables with rowspans and colspans it always gets complicated. Valign simply keeps the year at the top. If you look at the 2000s, the table has a last little column at the end. This means that in some line an extra cell was added. I wish it was simpler, but that's tables for you. Oh, well... Anytime you have a problem tabulating, just let me know and I'll help gladly. Hoverfish Talk 18:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I feel the best way to do this is to lay it out like List of Canadian films:2000s.

As Hoverfish said it is complicated with an extra column for the dates.

Each year is sub sectioned off so it is clearer and then the date of release can replace the year at the left? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Hoverfish did give the ok anyway but I feel this is the best way to do it. It alos structures them them. I am very glad you like it too. Dates can go in the end column for now but I want to get them in the first column eventually. Ideally I would like to have the year in a sub title on the page as I have done with the 2000s and then January - December in place of where the year is now/. The good thing alos is for the major film producers it may be neccessary to have a page for each year so it would be ready for splitting anyway.

Another thing is notice how underneath the navigation boxes how much more room there is. I think I may adjust the template to a horizontal at the top for more room. This way there may even be room for a column for Film studio or soemthing e.g Universal or Warner etc Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey another thing when you send me a message can you leave it at the bottom!! It takes me several minutes to find it on my very busy talk page!! Cheers Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm off to bed now -our final draft should look like 2000 on the List of Canadian films:2000s page.. Not bad eh? Looking much better now Ernst Stavro Blofeld 23:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd alos love to tart up the pages by adding several film posters of the top films for each year -I'm sure this will qualify as fair use to illustrate Canadian cinema.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 23:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Films Newsletter

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Freeman Dyson

it might be worth worth pushing it on Talk again, since it's a borderline case. My personal opinion is that a god case coulfd be made that it's factually true thathe is skeptical of some details, however it's a little fair lumping him in with a bunch of guys who are getting kickbacks from exxon to flat out deny Climate Change Artw

TV films

I may not be the one to answer this, since I am quite confused myself. There was a short mention once as a WP Films film that was first aired on TV was claimed from WP TV. I often make infoboxes for TV films as they are categorized in films. Today I even saw one TV serial and since it was requesting film infobox I made one. Maybe we should clear it out in the project talk page. Hoverfish Talk 19:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The best place to post such questions is in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films, since it gets the most traffic. The other lists and subprojects are just visited by the few who work there mostly. I will second you with my questions on the issue. Hoverfish Talk 19:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep TV out of a list of films. I am amazed you didn;t ask me seems as I am the one creating the lists!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did contact you a while back with a question (a different one, I think) and didn't hear back. So I figured you were very busy so I didn't want to bother you again. Shawn in Montreal 20:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kiarostami: FAC

Hi how are you?

I would like to invite you to read the Abbas Kiarostami which is now a featured article candidate. Please review it and leave your opinion at the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Abbas Kiarostami page. Thanks. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Films February Newsletter

The February 2007 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Cbrown1023 talk 23:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probing alternative

Hi Shawn, would you mind taking a look in my Sandbox and letting me know if you see this as an improvement. I am trying to find a way to resolve this mess and move on with actually filling up some lists of films, as the big template of lists of film by country serves mostly to show the general mess we are in. And there are outside reactions. Hoverfish Talk 16:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's just that it's only one table instead of ten. I also just saw a reason for keeping them separate. Take a look at the List of Thai films, where Wisekwai has applied the sortable table option. This could save us from the alpha/chrono dilema, but cannot be done if they get integrated in one table. Hoverfish Talk 17:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You mean, when you go to Thai films you don't see these sorting buttons after each header. Normally after "Year", "Title", etc, you should see a little square box, which if you press, changes the sorting. I am curious if in some systems it doesn't work... I will leave the lists as they are, by the way. Hoverfish Talk 18:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William Monahan article at FAC

Would you be interested in reviewing my article on William Monahan? It's currently being run through its paces at WP:FAC.-BillDeanCarter 00:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Actors and Filmakers

Hey see my proposals at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Actor and Filmmakers and the main WP Film and Biography talk page. Know anybody who is interested? Actors and all film people articles need a body on wikipedia to upkeep them asthey need more focus -it would be a part of Biogrpahy and Film. If you are interested or know somebody who would be, please let them know and whether you think it is a good progession for the project or not. Please leave your views at the council or biogrpahy main talk page. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 14:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lake surfing? Cool! Have you seen the proposal yet? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 20:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have the time commit to anything like that right now. Shawn in Montreal 20:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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P.K.D. here too

Not only am I under the permanet influence of P.K.Dick, but I have read all the books I could find from him 2-3 times. I guess by now I must share several loose screws with our late friend. My very tops (thought it's hard to distingush)? Clans of the Alphane Moon, Eye in the Sky (novel), The Zap Gun and The Ganymede Takeover. I would also like to strangle some of the people who made films "based on his books", although some are quite interesting for other reasons. Anyway. Have you seen what's going on with the counbtry lists. I was so immersed in all this (I did the List of French films from scratch and then got stuck with several others) that I didn't even drop you a note that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List and navigation management is going on. I would be glad to see your input there. I hope all is well your side. I see a lot of surfing going on. Hoverfish Talk 22:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you are too busy, then I will undertake to shape the Canadian lists by 1. including all the most notable films found under Category:Canadian films (I mean if Canada was the 4th co-producer I would think twice) and 2. by condencing them into decade tables with headers for each year (although you once said you'd rather have them as separate tables - well if some years get too long, I will keep them separate). No, we don't duplicate categories, as in categories you can neither see what year each film was released in, neither director, awards and so on. I was taking it easy in case you had plans to jump on it, but will be happy to work on it. Hoverfish Talk 21:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you are wondering what happened, Blofeld merged all the Canadian pages into one. Hoverfish Talk 21:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Entry Island

Hi Shawn,

Just wanted to thank you for your edits on Entry Island, which I recently created. I am also a born and raised Montrealer, although I have been living in Halifax, NS since 1990. Good to see another anglophone Québecer here. Best wishes.--RobNS 19:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with film

Hi, I got a problem with To Sell a War. Bearcat categorized it as Canadian documentary, it also appears in fifth estate, but I just found an external link for it (BFI) and there it states Thames television as production company. Is there a Canadian Thames too? Hoverfish Talk 19:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to find your name (only) in the edit history of In the Labyrinth, as there is an IMDb entry, which has it as 1979 animation. That's a long time after Expo'67. Could it be they made a film about it later? I'm just putting in the film categories, so if it was a multi-screen that became normal film later we might as well enter both. Yet to me it feels like the 67 thing was not a film as per category films, but some multimedia presentation. What do you think? Hoverfish Talk 18:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It sure helps! Also the "experimental cinema" helps. Thanks. Hoverfish Talk 21:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lavalife

Alright, if the article it redirected to has been deleted...I don't think Lavalife should have been deleted, it would have been sufficient to remove the advertising. Oh well. Adam Bishop 18:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinks on the AfD page

That means someone has added the {{subst:afd3 | pg=PageName}} to the log before they've saved the {{afd2}} (the initial reason for the nomination). Once it's saved, the log will fix itself automatically — iridescenti (talk to me!) 21:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's still there today. I don't think this new user realizes anything more is required on his part, though I've tried to explain it to him on his talk page.Shawn in Montreal 15:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't worry too much, since there's no chance whatsoever that Craig David is actually going to be deleted. Probably a hoax by a fan of a rival act — iridescenti (talk to me!) 15:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hate you

You got my awesome article deleted! How dare you! Why do you even care if it's fake, it's quite a hilarious version of anarchy which I could have kept going on for a little longer at least. And no I'm not some 12 year old who thinks anarchy is cool because all the kids with mohawks and pierced testicles seem to enjoy it, actually I think anarchism would never work and that humans are too fucking self centered and horrible for anything close to no government to last for a while. --VivaLaZombie! 05:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Windansea Beach

I reinstated your link for you; it was not spam.

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Lake Michigan surfing

Thanks for your contact. Surfing is outside my 'field' but speaking as an outsider, the best breaks should be on the northern half of the eastern shore of the lake. The "Great Lakes Surfing Association" with its Web presence is headquartered in Holland, Michigan, less than halfway up, but I imagine that one place to find really good conditions would be cold-water surfing (October and later) farther north around Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore after a stiff southwest breeze has built up for a while. The population density is greater farther south, of course. Please keep in mind that whenever someone from the American West Coast sees someone surfing Lake Michigan, they sneer, even if the surfer is having fun! This is a strange reaction to have in view of all of the cold-water surfing that is done (and enjoyed) in winter in California. Best regards, Bigturtle 22:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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George-Étienne Cartier

Please don't add Category:Quebec politicians to articles that already appear in subcategories such as Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons from Quebec. Thanks. Bearcat 23:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the note, Shawn. As the person in question has not vandalized in several days, I feel I really cannot do much at the moment. I will keep my eye on the acct, nonetheless. Best, Kukini hablame aqui 21:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Deserved

The Chain Barnstar of Recognition
For making a difference! This Barnstar isn't free, this is a chain barnstar, as payment please give this star to at least 3-5 others with 500+ edits but who have not received a barnstar. Canuckle 20:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for my barnstar Shawn! Cheers --RobNS 02:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Riverboarding page images

This page needs images of poeple riding boards with visible equipment, yet you and Quadell delete my postings even with proper image tags and question my existence. Whats up? How do I talk to you by email? Robertcarlson 19:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC) robert carlson[reply]

I've replied at User talk:Robertcarlson, thanks. Shawn in Montreal 19:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image of riverboarding uploading question

The images I would upload are of me, but not taken by me. They are souvenier photos you can buy from photo services that sell photos of your river trip as mementos. When I buy the photo I assume I get the copyright to publish as I wish. What do you think? Is there a tag category for this type of ownership that would satisfy Quadell? Robertcarlson 06:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Riverboard images

The jumping into meatgrinder image is a lower resolution version of a photo that appeared in Mens Fintess magazine few years ago. It was given to me by the photographer on the shoot.

The image of me running maytag on the Yuba was taken by a photographer friend of mine doing souvenier photos of a commercial rafting trips which are offered for sale to the customers after the trip. Does this clarify the tag? Robertcarlson 21:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect of Shore break

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Canadian films

I'm a little curious as to why you thought my message was uncivil? Not at all -surely you should remember that I'm not that sort of user. I know you don't have time to commit to the List of Canadian films. What I was trying to say is that I wish there was somebody who could help improve and add films aside from myself and you. The list is very underdeveloped indeed -it gets a little frustrating I must admit when there aren't all that many editors helping them. Why would you think I was being uncivil to you personally?? Not at all mate I had hoped you had remembered me and them of course ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 17:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC).[reply]

www.schwartzstories.com...

...is a blog or discussion forum, either are to be avoided as per external link guidelines. Really, Joe Schmoe's personal Schwartz's experience isn't a useful addition to Wikipedia.--Boffob 15:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Dany Heatley vandalism

So I noticed. I've blocked the I.P. for 48 hours and reverted the vandalism. Thanks for the heads up. Resolute 18:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I can't indef-block an IP address. I did leave another final warning tag though, and will continue to watch his edits. If he persists, I will block for a longer period of time. Thanks for the heads up. Resolute 17:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not active lately

Hi Shawn, I still keep an eye but I don't interfere. I'm not active in Films any more and am so busy that I can't find the time to indulge even in articles I really wanted to get into. If you wish to raise up the issue in the Project categorization, it might be useful. Someone also messed up the Australian films primary category and there was some debate, but I don't know what happened. Cheers! Hoverfish Talk 19:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of speedy deletion tags

I reverted your removal of a speedy deletion tag on Samuel Gutekunst and then noticed you have done this a lot. If you are an administrator then my error and I apologise, but I see no evidence you are. If indeed you are not then it is not for you (or me) to remove the tags but to argue the case for keeping them. Ros0709 (talk) 19:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are three classes of deletion, and it is my understanding that speedy deletion tags and WP:PROD can be removed by anyone for a valid reason, it is only the WP:AFD tags that must be debated. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
To quote the tag, If this page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice. That's open to any editor, not just admins. The editor who placed the tag is no admin. So go for it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You are quite right. Blimey - I misread that rule! "Any user who is not the creator of a page may remove a speedy tag from it. The creator may not do this. A creator who disagrees with the speedy deletion should instead add hangon to the page, and explain the rationale on the page's discussion page." (my emphasis). Carry on - and I apologise for rv. you! Ros0709 (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Callie Cardamon

Do you really feel that a bit of peacockery like "known for her unique style" constitutes an assertion of notability? --Orange Mike | Talk 02:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to guidelines WP:MUSIC, it's apparently enough to rule out a speedy: A mere claim of significance, even if contested, may avoid speedy deletion under A7, requiring a full proposed deletion or Article for Deletion process to determine if the article should be included in Wikipedia. Thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Canuck WWII films

This might be a little late, since I've just now started to revive interest in the WWII propaganda page (ya know how it is) and i've seen you added the publicly available NFB WWII films. Thank you so much! Its always good to get as many perspectives on history as possible and hopefully this will help put to rest the stereotype that Canadians are overly passive;) Thanks again.--Dudeman5685 (talk) 20:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Brownbagging

An article that you have been involved in editing, Brownbagging, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brownbagging. Thank you. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Anton Robert Krueger

An article that you have been involved in editing, Anton Robert Krueger, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Robert Krueger. Thank you. Mbisanz (talk) 05:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits made on December 24, 2007 (UTC) to Diane Salema

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Diane Salema. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.

That was not a speedy deletion tag you removed, but a seconded proposed deletion. 72.75.72.63 (talk) 12:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Invite

Century Tower
Century Tower

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Florida, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of University of Florida. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!


Notability of football/soccer players

Hi there. It seems that you are unfamiliar with the notability criteria regarding football players on Wikipedia. The general requirement is that the player must have played at least one match at the highest level of senior football or, failing that, he/she must have been given a squad number for that season. Anyone else, even those who have played in the annual FIFA Under-17 World Cup, is not notable. I hope I've been clear, as I'm not usually that good at explaining things. Anyway, thanks, and try to bear these things in mind next time you remove a PROD nomination as you did today. – PeeJay 20:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you see my AfD nomination for Nathan Porritt, you will see my reasoning why playing at the FIFA Under-17 World Cup should not count as a notability gauge. Basically, the competition is biennial (compared to the quadrennial senior FIFA World Cup), and the proportion of players who play at the Under-17 World Cup and don't go on to have a fully professional career is quite high. If someone played in one game at the Under-17 World Cup, then never played again for some reason, they wouldn't be notable, wouldn't you agree? – PeeJay 20:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alchemy Award

 Slakr's Alchemy Award

For putting forth excellent effort in turning something close to deletion into something more valuable on Jack Mandelbaum, I hereby award you a picture of some lead I recently turned into gold via alchemy. Since you already know how to turn worthless into useful, I think I'll just keep the actual gold for myself, since you'll be able to make some on your own, right? :D

Anyway, thanks for helping out. Keep up the great work =) --slakr\ talk / 21:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Thomas Carl Rustici

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Rustici

I thought you said Taking Sides makes no mention of him? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Carl_Rustici&diff=180714990&oldid=180714385 See issue #11: http://www.dushkin.com/catalog/0072845139.mhtml?SECTION=TOC Sarsaparilla (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay. He wrote one argument in one of the chapters. My mistake. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

McGill

Thanks for the backup on McGill University. I agree, the whole go-around is a complete waste of time, but I'm trying to go by the book. I don't even leave messages on anon IP editor talk pages anymore, they just ignore them. I'll stay vigilant, and maybe something can be done eventually. Thanks! Snowfire51 (talk) 06:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your help. I'm not sure what can be done about this, I've been trying for days to get the vandal to talk it over. His pattern of using edit summaries instead of talk pages seems to indicate he doesn't want to discuss anything constructively. Hopefully this ban will encourage a little civility. Thanks again! Snowfire51 (talk) 19:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias for the heads-up. I'm fairly certain it's the same user, maybe finding an old account since he can't edit it anonymously anymore. Thanks for informing the authorities. This is stupid beyond belief, it seems, but I appreciate the assistance. Snowfire51 (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SHAWN,

I accept the invitation for a dialogue. I am not the one who originally did the edits. But I do know that editor, who asked me to join in yesterday.

We are not interested in an "edit war". We are social psychologists. Our academic interest lies in a current research project we are doing on the subject of Consensus and Consensual Decision-Making. We have chosen Wikipedia for the study precisely because of this so-called "consensus" policy on articles (thru talk pages). You, Mr. Snowfire and your other friends as well as the Wikipedia administrator/s act as the "laboratory" subjects for ourstudy. The McGill article is a good one to use for our study because of the recently released rankings (within Canada and internationally) that appears to confirm its long-standing premier position in research university rankings.

Anyway, to make things short, I would like you and/or Snowfire to respond to the following questions relative to the lead paragraph for the McGill write-up (we are not in any way connected with McGill), and the so-called WP:LEAD article:

1) How do you define consensus?

Suppose 7 people participated in the Talk Page, and 6 out of 7 agreed to delete the rankings in the lead, was a consensus achieved? Suppose those same 6 people happened to be your colleagues or friends, would you say that a consensus was achieved? Is consensus-building limited only to those interested in making their opinion known, even if they have no editorial background? And how long does it take to conclude that enough people have participated in the Talk Page and a "consensus" is already determinable.

2) How do you distinguish personal preference from consensus?

All the edits proposed for the McGill article (yours, mine, my colleague who did the initial edits, Snowfire, etc.) are fair, objective, accurate, fully documented and appropriate. As noted in the Edit page, nothing there is violative of any Wikipedia policy.

However, you prefer to not include the ranking in the first or second sentence. Snowfire is agreeable to a compromise by indicating the ranking on the last sentence of the lead/opening paragraph. My colleagues and I would like see the ranking on either the first or second sentences of the lead.

Obviously, then, the editorial choice is not between what is right and wrong, but between right and right. Our question to you is: In the absence of a clear and written policy concerning what objective materials should be on the lead (e.g., rankings, school location which the other university write-ups do not even contain, etc.), why do we need to seek consensus for your choice? How do we know that consensus was fairly achieved, or at least fairly attempted,when we are asking people to choose between right and right?

I will wait to hear from you. Thanks.

Editorhwaller (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Wow. For now, these comments render me speechless for anything other than long bursts of profanity, but I'll just say I have had no "compromise" (or contact) with this editor. I was trying to gain consensus on an issue with an extremely hostile editor. No discussion, no consensus, no communication at all. There's no "compromise" in wikipedia, really, it's just an exchange of facts and opinions to gain consensus.

For the record, I don't believe anything this editor says other than him being either a WP:MEAT or WP:SOCK. We should all have better things to do with our time, and he's wasting it. Snowfire51 (talk) 00:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's any dialog here, as per WP:TROLL. I'd advise just running silent with him. Thanks for your help along the way to this particular point of insanity, though. take care! Snowfire51 (talk) 00:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please read my comments to Philippe (in his Talk page). You are the sockpuppet here, Shawn. You can not pretend that you are acting independently of Snowfire. As a licensed psychologist by profession, I can see that you are trying to do: convince everyone, including the Wikipedia administrator, that Shawn + Snowfire = Wikipedia Consensus. Editorhwaller (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Snowfire, you are lying about not making any compromise. You put in the rankings as the last sentence of the lead on December 21, 2007 (21:23) and you even wrote in the edit history page, "compromise, identified college in lead, then provided reference. please take disagreements to talk page." Explain why you are denying that now. Editorhwaller (talk) 00:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he intends to reply, at any rate, please don't leave such accusations about his "lying" on my Talk page. Also, I did reply to your last posting at User talk:Philippe. Please answer if you can. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Victory and justice. Thanks again for helping out on the article, I appreciate you having my back. Thanks! Snowfire51 (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meat Puppets

I am truly not amused by meat-puppetry - Wikipedia is WP:NOT a place for social experiments. It also seems to me that a couple of decent compromises have been offered and not accepted, so I'm inclined to say that one side of this group is negotiating and the other not and that saddens me. - Philippe | Talk 01:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


The compromise to put the ranking on the lead's last sentence was offered by Snowfire on December 31, 2007 (21:23). You will not be amused by his initial denial of this earlier today, only to backtrack and admit he made the compromise. Now he uses that compromise as a pretext for opening up a discussion. That is gaming, which is a violation of Wikipedia policy. Snowfire does not seem to be a true editor, but rather a compromising editor who changes his tone and stand every second.

I will go for his compromise to put the ranking on the last sentence of the lead (see Dec. 31 edit history page). Another editor, Shawn, is fine with it. I hope we settle this soon. Thanks. Editorhwaller (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Postbeat Poets

Obviously you didn't read my entry concerning a person's handle vs. a person with that name. Who are you to assume they are one-in-the-same? What if I used the handle "AlEinstein"? Whould you delete all entries I wrote about Albert Einstein? I can just see your entry now..."Al Einstein is promoting himself...must delete!"

Jim Cohn has more accolades than most of your contemporary poet entries. You shoot this down without doing any research, that's obvious. Maybe you should Google "Jim Cohn" before you are so quick to judge. 

Try this...http://poetry.about.com/od/poetrybooks/a/morepopicks2004_4.htm or even this...http://www.nyc.com/events/Poetry_Project_Sam_Abrams_and_Jim_Cohn.935736/editorial.aspx...or maybe this...http://www.counterpunch.org/poems02282003.html...or even this...http://www.cadillaccicatrix.com/index1.htm...and don't forget...http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa092501e.htm...or even...http://gupress.gallaudet.edu/SLScurrent3.html

I hate presumptuous people.

Signed Lewie Paine a.k.a JimcohnJimcohn (talk) 02:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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