User talk:EncMstr

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Belize

Have a great time! No phone and no electricity sounds heavenly. Katr67 (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

New Year COTW from WP:ORE

Happy New Year to all the Oregon WikiProject People. A big round of applause for everyone last year, we got a lot done. A thank you to everyone who helped with the last Collaboration of the Week, I saw a large number of articles in the unassessed section and our total number of articles is over 5000 (we were around 4000 in June when the assessment program finished the initial run) so I know at one person was busy tagging. This week we are back to a High importance Stub article the one and only max security prison, first prison, and only one with a death row in the state, the Oregon State Penitentiary. Then, by request we have one of the most prolific ballot measure sponsors in Mr. Bill Sizemore. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

PS, enjoy the vacation. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Now, get to work ;) See History of Oregon.

Hope you had an awesome trip. -Pete (talk) 08:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Already did some minor polishing. Nice work pulling the history article together.

Had a great time in the Belize jungle. Surprisingly, scuba in the Great Blue Hole was the trip's lowlight, except perhaps the stormy weather the first day or so. The other dives were more enjoyable with good visibility and plentiful life. —EncMstr 08:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I missed that! Glad you noticed, and thanks. You know, there were supposed to be 5 sections, but I screwed up. The breakdown that AM came up with originally had an "early history" era, between "native peoples" and "pioneer." (I added "geologic" to cover the stuff before "native peoples.") Not sure the best way to deal with this, but probably adding "early history" back, with a little more info on Spanish/English/American exploration by sea would be a good thing.

That sounds like a great trip, I've always been fascinated by the idea of scuba, but never had the opportunity. Get any good pics? -Pete (talk) 09:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

No good pictures underwater. There seemed to be a negative space wedgie affecting optical equipment: A new mask needed serious attention to prevent from fogging (fixed after the first dive), brought the wrong housing for my 6 megapixel cameras, and opted not to take the camcorder housing on the trip at all (bulky and not planning on doing much diving). I borrowed a 2 megapixel camera, but returned it without uploading the photos. Now, if you want land images, it would be possible to fill your hard drives.... —EncMstr 16:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Ditto on the welcome back. How's about a gallery subpage so we can see your pics? :) Katr67 (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

WPORE

Thanks for greeting that user. Unfortunately my initial reaction was unprintable I and hadn't gotten around to formulating a more polite reply. :) Katr67 (talk) 20:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for your pointers. I'm sorry for being kind of a jerk to some of the other users, it was childish. Tell me if you need anything, although I'm sure you won't need me. Your pal, Creamy3 (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hood

So, whatever became of the two missing climbers from December of 2006? Were their bodies ever found? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

No sign of them. There was a big search in September, when the snowpack tends to be at its lowest. (See http://www.pmru.org/pressroom/headlines/20070908SearchforMissingBodies.html) I think there was a smaller search in October, since the snows didn't begin until late this season. They're still out there somewhere. —EncMstr 23:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

How many other never-found bodies are on the slopes of Hood, that we know of? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

That would be an excellent research project, but very challenging. Of the list at Mount Hood climbing accidents, I suspect that two could be intentional disappearances and they're now elsewhere with assumed identities. Even more challenging would be the people who didn't tell anyone where they were going, and died there somehow. As for "known bodies," I have a vague recollection of a half dozen or so since the 1970s, though some could well be duplicates. —EncMstr 00:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The obvious question is what might have happened to the two from a year ago, but it's probably not easy to find such relatively small objects. You don't realize how big Mt. Hood is until you get close to it. And unlike Everest, where they bodies just stay up there forever, frozen, there could be freezing and thawing on Hood and the bodies could decompose over summer, right? Cheery thoughts. :( Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but they're almost certainly under snow, which is why they haven't been found—and therefore probably intact. My bet is they're in Eliot Glacier somewhere about here. If I were them, I'd probably have headed downwind for improved vision and warmth, try to follow Cooper Spur, but probably get disoriented, veer left and tumble down it bringing a lot of snow on top of me.

As for the size: after driving to Meadows or Timberline, it's either so nice the immenseness of the land is easily overlooked, or it's so awful it's invisible. Next time you're out in the snow, remove any skis/snowshoes/etc. and walk a ways on ungroomed snow. Then imagine doing that for miles in severe weather not really knowing if you're going a good direction. Doubt about each step really wears one out. (Yep: been there, done that.) —EncMstr 04:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Aha. So they are probably buried under a small "avalanche" of their own making, and if they are found someday, it will probably be by chance. As for what you describe about walking under blizzard conditions... well, that's why I like to admire mountains from a safe distance. :) One thing for sure... if you're on a mountain, and are not sure where you're going, it's probably a good idea to stop. But I'm sure panic sets in and you want to make progress. The risks of falling vs. freezing to death. Not good options. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon GA COTW

Howdy to WikiProject Oregon members, time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week. As you may have already noticed, our flagship article Oregon is up for the third time as we make a push to get WP:GA status before going for WP:FA. Since this will take some time to get where it needs to be, this will be the COTW for more than just a week. Also, so we hopefully don’t trip over ourselves, try to coordinate on the article’s talk page. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here.

On another note, just a general good job/pat on the back to the project for a great 2007, the first full year of the project. We had 83 DYKs about Oregon, improved one article to FA, and went from around 4 GAs to 17 GAs. Plus numerous new articles, improvements to existing, the introduction of the COTW, and the introduction of article assessment at the project. Again, great job and here’s to a new year. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Admin

Hi. I just wondered if you've considered becoming an admin. You seem experienced enough, so I'd be happy to nominate you if you're interested. Regards. Epbr123 (talk) 14:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. One question really: If one becomes an admin, is one obligated to use admin tools? Or is it "volunteer as desired"? —EncMstr 19:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no obligation to use admin tools regularly. Obviously, it will harm your nomination if you never intend to use them. Epbr123 (talk) 19:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I would use them, but I was just wondering which flavor of the Good Samaritan law would apply: obligation to act or encouragement to act. I imagine I'd hang out at AIV and actively look for vandals. —EncMstr 19:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Judging by your number of reports to AIV, you seem to be regularly involved in admin related work anyway, so there wouldn't be a problem. It wouldn't even be a problem if the only admin work you intended to do was block vandals you encountered through your normal article editing activities. Epbr123 (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, seems to be lots of "good" with little "bad". What do I do? "Yes please" —EncMstr 02:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me know once you've answered the questions on your RfA page and I'll get the nomination started. Try to make your answers as thorough as possible, and admit to any conflicts you've had. You can see how others have answered them at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Also, avoid canvassing other users' talk-pages for support, as this will be frowned upon. Good luck. Epbr123 (talk) 10:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I filled it out. Should I expand it further? —EncMstr 19:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to expand Q1 somehow. Some users oppose based on the length of answers. Epbr123 (talk) 19:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

How's that? —EncMstr 00:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks durn good to me. I'm itchin' to !vote. -Pete (talk) 00:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

It's started :) Epbr123 (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

multiple consecutive edits

I assume you're talking about Steamboats of the Coquille River, a new page which IMHO is a fine little article. It has images, sources, and no OR. It has a navbox which I created myself. It takes me a bit of work to make an article look good on the screen, probably because of my own lack of skill I guess. But every edit I made to it was fully described in the edit summary. I was deliberate in doing that so that people could more easily track the edits if they wanted to. After doing all that, the first comment I get on the article was yours, and you don't contribute anything to the substance of the article or even say anything about the substance but mention only the number of the edits. I've seen many articles with more edits and less detail in the edit summary. Mtsmallwood (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cape Perpetua, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Maxim_(talk) 16:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Dammasch

Uh, I suppose you must have used that fancy gooo-gle thing I've been hearing so much about. I really should try that some time ;) Thanks. -Pete (talk) 09:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

WPOR DYKs

Just an FYI, you have contributed enough Oregon DYKs to proudly display the {{WPOR DYK bronze}} badge. Then when you get up to 10 you can swap it for silver. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Adminship

Congratulations, you are now an administrator - and with near unanimous support! Now is the time to visit the Wikipedia:New admin school and, if you haven't already, to look through the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Warofdreams talk 00:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Congrats, have fun with the tools! Malinaccier (talk) 00:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Woot! Way to go! Katr67 (talk) 00:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yaah! Couldn't go to a more capable fellow. Looking forward to working with you, and your newly-expanded superpowers! -Pete (talk) 00:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you one and all. I'll have to be much more accurate with the mouse now. Beside each of your names (on the watchlist) is a new, rather scary option:

(diff) (hist) . . User talk:EncMstr‎; 16:29:10 . . (+211) . . Peteforsyth (Talk | contribs | block) (→Adminship - more woot)

Yikes! —EncMstr 00:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey!! Easy with the trigger finger, buddy. Also, remember alcohol and admin logins don't mix ;) -Pete (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

All those cool tools and you still have to go around fixing my *duh* spelling. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No sweat. Did you know there are browsers which help with spelling? FireFox: get it, learn it, love it.  ;-) (All three are easy to do.) —EncMstr 20:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I ♥♥♥ Firefox and use it at home all the time. No can use at work though. :( I also love it because with Firefox, you can have 160 tabs open (yes I have done this) and that doesn't work in Explorer. Katr67 (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

To a natural born good speller. Congratulations on your adminship. -Susanlesch (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Itanium

I was just adding this article to the portal's selected article section as we are adding all the GA quality articles. But when we add them we try to have an Oregon tie in the small text section, and I couldn't find anything about Oregon in the article. I know Intel is big in the state and all, but what connection is there to this chip set? I tried looking through The Oregonian archives for connections like it was developed or produced here, but I could only find that there was some testing on it here. Do you know of any other connection? Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed I do. I used to play volleyball with a key Itanium project member. I'm not sure which release: there were at least four. I think the first was developed in California. But newer versions were developed and prototyped in Hillsboro, as were most processors of this era. Maybe an Intel document would source this? These hint at it: [1] [2], and this backs the first version being in California. —EncMstr 09:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I was mistaken. The WP:ORE tag is removed. Sorry. My contact worked on other products. —EncMstr 21:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for looking into it. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Account creation

Account creation is limited to experienced users and administrators. I can't find a definition of experienced users, but due to database limitations, it's always defined in terms of time since the account was registered (or I believe actually number of total contributions to the wiki since the account was registered), rather than number of contributions. For these purposes, a year and a half would be plenty, even though the user has no contributions. As to why - who knows? Perhaps they were confused, perhaps they were experimenting, perhaps they regularly use their account to view Wikipedia and wanted to create an alternate account to view it with different preferences. Warofdreams talk 18:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Crunchyjb

Tad harsh to give Crunchyjb another warning on Professor's cube as I had already given him a lower level one for the same offence and he had already self-reverted the edit. SpinningSpark 20:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

What is it you can still see? I can see three edits by this user. The first added one to the number. The second edit undid the first edit and simultaneously added some more spurious digits. The final edit undid the second edit returning the article to original status (as far as I can see). Am I missing something? SpinningSpark 21:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Here are the last five entries I see:

(cur) (last) 2008-01-31T12:21:53 Crunchyjb (Talk | contribs | block) (6,855 bytes) (rollback | undo)

(cur) (last) 2008-01-31T12:21:28 Crunchyjb (Talk | contribs | block) (6,905 bytes) (undo)

(cur) (last) 2008-01-31T12:20:39 Crunchyjb (Talk | contribs | block) (6,855 bytes) (undo)

(cur) (last) 2008-01-30T11:11:10 69.27.245.252 (Talk | block) (6,855 bytes) (undo)

(cur) (last) 2008-01-29T04:24:42 88.147.221.215 (Talk | block) (6,830 bytes) (→Records) (undo)

This is after clicking on "rollback", "undo", then editing the article. You seem to see something different, right? —EncMstr 21:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. A rollback is a no op. I missed that the second edit undid the first one (besides adding more). —EncMstr 21:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Roger SpinningSpark 21:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I-5 closure

You don't consider a 3.5 days closure of Interstate 5 to be notable? —EncMstr 03:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect ... it's not even close. Without doing a lot of digging around amongst WP policies, guidelines, essays, etc., this is an encyclopedia! What would someone reading in Mozambique find interesting about I-5? What would somebody reading the article 20 years from now find interesting? By those standards, a 3.5 day closure with no permanent aftereffects except some local annoyance is far from notable. Just imagine if every moderate weather-related Interstate closure were noted for the centuries to come .... Again, please don't take offense, I'm sure that it was very disruptive to the residents of the area for a few days, and to truck traffic for that time, but it is not really an encyclopedic fact! NorCalHistory (talk) 07:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Table format problem

Thanks! --Edcolins (talk) 00:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Something blowing in the wind

		The COTW award from WPOR.
		Thanks for leading the way in last week's Collaboration of the Week! Thanks for all your work this week on Biglow, its a whole lot better. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Kastelorizo, Kalimnos, Astypalea

Good morning EncMstr, there is someone that keeps removing foreign names from Greek Islands Articles. This is an old issue, and two years ago a consensus about the usage of foreign names in geographic articles has been reached. I saw that you reverted some of them, and I ask you if it is possible to protect these articles. I don't think that it makes sense to waste energies in continuing to discuss about this issue with people who remove this names just in name of chauvinistic/nationalist reasons. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 07:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

(But it's late at night....:-) I followed a trail of destruction and cleaned up whatever they'd done. Unfortunately, the article protection policy doesn't address such a case clearly. Personally I feel these articles require a much higher level of edit warring (many times per day) to justify overriding Wikipedia's tag line the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

I looked for a pattern of vandalism to see if a user-level block might be in order, but found those edits tend to be at intervals of a few weeks by a different anonymous editor each episode, so that wouldn't help. I sympathize with the frustration of the situation. I suggest keeping the articles watchlisted and reverting as soon as you see undesired changes. Perhaps any associated wikiprojects could be solicited to help too. It might be satisfying to keep in mind that an anonymous editor has to work much harder than a registered user to watch for article changes, so presumably they are more likely to get worn down first. Maybe they'll just go away.

Other ideas:

• Engage them in a discussion, and point them to the previous consensus.
• Insert HTML comments <!-- comment --> making your case for leaving it near the text so that an editor who intends to delete it is sure to see it.
• Move the disputed text to a new section (==Toponym==) or to a footnote.
• If it gets worse, drop me a line. —EncMstr 09:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

(The concept of late depends on the longitude of the writer ;-)). Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Actually I think that discussing with these people is time lost, since usually they don't bring rational arguments. I will then keep restoring "my" ;-) article (I wrote about 95% of it), hoping that this guy finds in the meantime some other place to give vent to his xenophoby. Thanks again, Alex2006 (talk) 09:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Tom Peterson says it time for Oregon COTW

Wake up! Wake up to a happy day! Says Tom Peterson. Greetings to the gang at WP:ORE, its time for another round of Collaboration of the Week. Last week was a very successful endeavor with great improvement to Oregon Swallowtail and Deuce Biglow Canyon Wind Farm. OK, so there’s no “e” but it makes me laugh. The Biglow production was so successful we got our first DYK out of it. So, let’s try for a second with the tallest building in the state, the Wells Fargo Center. Then by request we have the former governor (among other things) Neil Goldschmidt. Again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, visit here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Three hours?

I debated it for a sec (with the usual 31 hours), but given the fact that he probably didn't see the warnings prior to the block and that it is probably a school IP, I went for 3 hours (he'll be bored before that). But if you wish to lengthen the block, be my guest! I just don't think it'll be necessary. -- lucasbfr ^talk 19:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the useful links!

They've been very helpful in trying to get the hang of things. I see you can speak a number of different languages -- do you know if there is a searchable general list of WP guideline articles? For example, the correct formatting of sentences that may use foreign language characters in topic articles. --Mistsrider (talk) 02:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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WP: AIV

Well, he seems to be repeatedly adding spam links - after being told not to. And considering he keeps editing the same thing to the page even though he's vandalizing. But I don't know if you should block him. Good Point. Well another thing learned today - Thanks :) - Milk's Favorite Cookie 02:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Seconding what Cookie said :) Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 02:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll keep an eye on OfficialLark (talk · contribs).

Thanks for sending him a message - appreciate that. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 02:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Depoe Bay, Oregon

Mostly I don't think the article for the town belongs in the category 'Bays of Oregon'. Depoe Bay the geographical feature itself is barely the size of the small marina in it, and seems out of place on the list with Yaquina, Tillimook, Young's, et al.24.21.157.2 (talk) 09:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I've posed the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will respond. —EncMstr 10:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Gregs the Baker

the content dispute is that the user Gregs the baker, is making claims on the article geordie which are backed up with non-reliable sources which are not valid because the sources in question do not understand what the topic of the subject is, thus making a clear mistake in what they are refering to. On the other hand, the Ip who is edit warring has issued a series of posts for the editor to read, which the editor has shamelessly ignored and neglected. Hence the dispute continues as gregs the baker will not listen to the Ip. Zogonthetyne (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)