Talk:Mario Kart Wii

Confirmed Items

Banana, Green Shell, Red Shell, Mushroom, Star, Thunderbolt, Spiny Shell Wxy 19:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Unconfirmed Items

Blooper, Bob-omb, Triple Mushrooms, Boo, Fake Item Box, Bullet/Banzai Bill, Feather?, Fireballs? Morpher? (Mystery Item), Monty Mole???!!! (This was very confusing to hear about), Golden Mushroom

Please respond if you learn of anymore about these items, the tracks, and the cups. Wxy 19:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Mushrooms, Bob-ombs, Boos and Fake boxes are likely to return, and the feather (see Super Mario Kart) and fireballs (Mario Kart Double Dash) could be returning, but the fireballs may be "fire flower" instead. But, we could always wait and see... --Pezzar 23:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Why does this matter? The article should not be used as a game guide, though new items should be notable. FMF 13:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

This does matter, items are very important in mario titles, ignoring them would be a bad idea. However, we shouldn't write something until they are fairly well-confirmed. Writing about key aspects of titles doesn't make something a game guide, it makes it a good article. Marky1991 19:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a complaint with both Smash Bros. and Mario Kart. Many people say items are unimportant, but they greatly affect gameplay. Pezzar (talk) 02:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed characters/tracks/stuff

It's a bit too early for this, don't you think? I will take those sections out and leave the gameplay and online sections. If you disagree, post in here. Willy105 20:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think a characters section is necessary, but maybe not tracks... Of course, gameplay and online sections must stay. Miles Blues 22:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

by the way, it claims there were only four characters shown; Mario, Peach, Wario and Waluigi, but did people not see the huge picture of DK as well as in game footage of Baby Mario and Toad? 75.153.231.20 22:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

But the "huge picture" of Donkey Kong was actually just concept art for Mario Kart DS: http://mario-kart.net/mkds/images/101605/dk2.jpg Exactly like the other four pictures of Peach, Luigi and Mario: http://mario-kart.net/mkds/pictures.html 82.119.161.47 10:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I added to that to the main article of Mario Kart characters. Willy105 22:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

In this game's article, I spied a certain line - "There is no confirmation that this is permanent; however, Fils-Aime did mention that more racers would be able to compete this time." When he said that 'More racers than ever will be able to compete', he was more than likely speaking of the online features that the game will have - the timing of the comment backs that, as he's speaking about the online capabilities when that comment was brought up - and that more people will be able to play against each other because of online.

You do have a very good point, he did say that. But just to be sure, we can put that there but not as concrete. We will only say it is concrete until a press release or a hands-on preview. Willy105 11:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

List of confirmed characters

Do not, I repeat DO NOT put a list of characters that are confirmed to be in the game. There is already a page for that. All that must go in the "Characters" section is information about vehicles and custimization. Nothing else. Willy105 01:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Where's the page? →Pezzar 04:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Release Date?

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=T000701

The above link says that this game releases on January 1, 2008. Can this be a source for release date? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.244.234.39 (talk) 00:07:28, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest against using that date. It sould like it is clearly a placeholder. --67.71.79.22 22:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

They typically use that as a placeholder for Q1 2008 titles. Misleading, but it is usually what they do. --Nerdzrool 11:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The Quarter release dates are nothing but speculations at this point in time. If someone has let's say Nintendo of Europe's press releases, please by all means edit the information with. Thanks. --MrBubbles 16:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The Release date is: January 25th 2008.75.67.128.65 13:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

So, I checked the source on the release date and it only mentions "Early 2008," not "Spring." I'm going to change the release date back to Q1 08 for NA unless we get a reputable source saying otherwise. I know people are citing Smash's delay as a cause for Mario Kart to get delayed, too (to prevent competition or something) but that's just speculation at this point.-llamapalooza87 17:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You know that the first citation if broken? Does anyone have another citation for the release date of Early 2008? Uchiha23 05:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

As for the Australian release date, Aussie-Nintendo.com http://aussie-nintendo.com/index.php?v=news&p=20176 have stated April-June 2008. Is this able to go into the main article? Adzma (talk) 23:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Once again bringing up release date - I can find lots of sources which say Q1 of 2008 is the release date but no specific date. Q1 of 2008 is NOT "Spring", and the supposed citation provided supporting the "Spring" listing is a dead link. Why has someone changed everything to say spring? Can someone give a citation which says the game will NOT be out until spring? CokeBear (talk) 06:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The release date in the article does not match the time frame cited in the E3 2007 video. The article states April and the video states Q1. New sources are needed if April is indeed correct. Otherwise, change it back to Q1. --- nwagers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.129.206 (talk) 00:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys? Amazon no longer says April 30. What should we do now? 69.244.234.39 (talk) 23:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Game spot is now saying may 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.169.46.95 (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think 1Up can be considered a source for release date in the US, because there is no actual article stating the release date is April 15th. Recently GameFly put Mario Kart Wii on their site with a release date of April 27th. We'll see who is right! MidnightScott

many site are saying for the US release date to be April 28th such as Gamespy, Ign, Gamestats, Gamepro I believe and the only other different date was gamespot with May 1st but wouldn't matter about either date because it would be in the same week for release . but Ign always gets the date right so I believe that its coming out April 28th. Preorder you copy soon because it going to be a sell out game it will be a hot seller for the longest time to come! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.194.204 (talk) 21:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Mario Kart with Wii Wheel is found on CIRCUITCITY.COM it announce date is April 27th, 2008 which is a Sunday and it would make since as a lot of Wii game that are popular are release on a Sunday so April 27th, 2008 sound real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.194.204 (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not a reliable source, see WP:VG/DATE: "For unreleased games, vendor sites should not be used as verifiable sources since their date is likely based on their best estimate of when the game is to be out; always look for corroborating statements from reliable sources to confirm these dates."

Any talk about the new 16 player stuff, as well as anything from Nintendo UK is speculation

http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=171506

“The details printed in Official Nintendo Magazine 21 regarding Mario Kart Wii were healthy speculation on our part and are in no way an official announcement from Nintendo. We are sorry if we have mislead anyone. We do not set out to mislead our readers. ONM apologises profusely for any misunderstandings that this has caused.” - ONM (original story here) --MrBubbles 11:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC) Is this regarding, Peach on a motorbike? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.54.162 (talk) 12:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Question re: Two wheeled vehicles

"The game will also be the second Mario Kart game to feature two-wheeled vehicles, the first being Mario Kart DS."

Eh? What vehicles in MKDS have two wheels? Doctorbob 19:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There are no motorcycles in MKDS take that off.--FrosticeBlade 02:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually it was waliugi's chopper but it had 3-wheels —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.120.3 (talk) 22:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

It is actually the second time they have bikes. There was this snes satellite game where they had fixed up Excite bike and added some of the core Mario team members. I know that we have an article about the game, but I don't remember the name.--Henke37 (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Found it, it is called Mario Excite Bike.--Henke37 (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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The things we have to do to put an image on wikipedia articles, is just silly. (Clawsofmidnight (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC))

Problem with first sentence of Gameplay

"Mario Kart Wii will return the franchise to single driver gameplay, moving away from the approach of its predecessor, Mario Kart: Double Dash!! on the Nintendo Gamecube. Like Mario Kart DS..."

Mario Kart DS returned the franchise to one driver, not this game. Mario Kart DS is also this game's predecessor, not Double Dash. If I had any writing skills what-so-ever, I'd fix it, but alas, I have horrible writing skills. So someone who does have writing skills should fix this. Shyrangerr (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the writer considered MKDS as a direct sequal, as it was on a portable system instead of a console. Pezzar (talk) 07:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I'd not have considered DS as the precursor to MK Wii. Not sure what Nintendo think or what the general gaming community think but might well be worth trying to find a source. MLA (talk) 10:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

HEY! I'm pretty sure boo is unlockable in the Mario Kart Double Dash. That would make that sentence in the first paragraph wrong, when it states that this is the first game with boo being a playable character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.117.70 (talk) 23:22, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrong, it was King Boo not Boo. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 03:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Karts

Apparently characters are able to switch karts, according to British magazine NGamer. Should this be noted/included? Pezzar (talk) 04:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Motorcycles

The section about motorcycles being used is tagged Citation needed. Would a picture such as this:

http://n-europe.com/games/mariokarts/10.jpg

count or would an article be required? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.21.52 (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that would count cause it aint photoshopped. I've seen that screen in an issue of NP. ;)SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 19:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Different Characters Driving the same Karts?!

Any one compare screen shots and notice that Wario, Waluigi, and DK (And possibly Baby Mario, though only the front is seen) are all driving the same muscle car with different colors? Or Wario, Waluigi, and Bowser all driving the same Bullhorns front kart? Or Mario, Luigi, and Peach all driving the same Bicycle wheels, actually kart-looking kart? (Also possibly Mario and Bowser driving the same large round Kart.) What does this mean?! Do they all just choose from some big mega-collection of karts, or is it like in Mario Kart DS where they can eventually choose from all the kart once the ability is unlocked. Anyone know what's up with this?!GEM036 (talk) 22:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing the same karts with diffferent colours. Any other thoughts? Pezzar (talk) 02:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Supposed Boxart

This was found...anyone have a source, or is it fake? http://wiinintendo.net/wp-content/mkwiibox.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazydog115 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC) 63

• • Does not look real.Willy105 (talk) 13:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

WILLY!? From the Sonic X fourms on tv.com? Well, it looks fake, they'll probably use new art.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the box, I see that it uses the Wii logo, while most Wii games (except Wii Sports etc.) don't usually use it. Therefore I think it should be removed. Pezzar (talk) 06:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Famistu information

The most recent issue of Famitsu had a lot of Mario Kart information (Japan release date, courses, ect) I'm also going to be updating this article with this information, since I consider Famitsu to be a reliable source.

Seasniffer (talk) 14:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog, seriously?

I was reading this the other night and came across an article. I wanted to see what characters were in Mario Kart Wii so I check under characters and see that it says Sonic the Hedgehog has not been confirmed. I'm just thinking why anyone would even think that he is in this game. I mean it's a possibility, but come on; what would make you even put that on this page. It's pure hope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.42.125 (talk) 17:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Speculation. It shouldn't be there. And honestly, due to Mario geing in a SEGA game and Sonic being in a Nintendo game, people have started to think that Mario and Sonic go in EVERY game together. It's annoying really. Dengarde ► Complaints 18:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Simply pathetic! Is there any proof for Baby Boo?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly, you can't just asume that someone is in a game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.42.125 (talk) 18:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection (PLEASE READ)

CAN WE PLEASE!? An unregistered user keeps checking YES for ALL characters on MKW, and adding Sonic, Baby DK, E Gadd, Paper Mario, Dixie, Toadsworth, etc.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 21:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

So, IGN's the culprit yet again...

http://boards.ign.com/mario_kart/b5984/159246992/p1/

Rumours...How they start...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

And i figured out how Baby Boo started, a magazine stated "Baby Peach, and Boo are playable." Perhaps the n00bs mistaked it as Baby Boo?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

ALSO

Why is there a need to use "also" 8 times? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.54.162 (talk) 09:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Ummm...I dunno. You wanna use "As well as" Instead? Be my guest!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 16:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Release Date Sources for NA and Austrailia

Where are the sources for the release dates? Arogi Ho (talk) 22:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

No...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean no? Arogi Ho (talk) 02:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing. They should be changed to TBA if there are no sources. Adzma (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Arogi Ho (talk) 00:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Release Dates

Someone has now put up 1up as their "source" for the April 15 release date. It should be noted that 1up originally said it would be March 15, then changed it to "Spring 2008" and now April 15, all without any announcements from Nintendo. I have no idea where they got this date from, but I think the release date should be kept to "Spring 2008" or "Q2 2008" until an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT has been made. It's ridiculous that every time I open this page, there's a new NA release date; I even saw March 31 yesterday, which I had to correct since it didn't even make any sense, March 31 being before the already announced Japanese and European releases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benifb (talk • contribs) 03:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

1UP.com is Electronic Gaming Monthly which is a reliable source. Official announcements would actually not be usable on Wikipedia because they would be considered a primary source. Please see WP:V. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

1up.com has been listing this date for a while now, even as Nintendo of America continues to say there has been no official announcement on the release date. What makes this April 15 date any more reliable than the March 15 date that 1up had previously listed as the release date? They changed it as soon as the Japanese and European releases were announced, when it became obvious that it wouldn't be coming out in NA in March. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benifb (talk • contribs) 03:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It's nothing more than a logical guess. They probably assumed April 15th because it follows the same release pattern as Double Dash - released in Europe on the Friday, then in North America the following Tuesday. DVD Smith (talk) 20:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

This is all fascinating original research, but second guessing our sources isn't what we do on Wikipedia. We have a source saying April 15th, 2008, and that's what we should be reporting. Not individual editors "gut feelings". —Locke Cole • t • c 02:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We should not have a date at all until we get an official announcement. The "sources" don't have a clue when the game is coming out any more than we do. Just look at them - we have a source that says April 15, April 28, May 1, June 1, and Q2 2008 All of those are reliable, trustworthy video game websites and they each list a different date. -Zomic13 (talk) 02:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:RS, we use reliable sources. The only reliable source you quoted was 1up, which is Ziff-Davis/Electronic Gaming Monthly (an actual printed publication). Those other sources are indeed likely guessing. —Locke Cole • t • c 02:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No, that is not true at all. IGN and Gamespot are just as reliable as 1up.com. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

As reliable sources go, 1up is more reliable/credible than the others as it is the online incarnation of an actual physical publication. Again, see WP:V and WP:RS. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

First, a reliable source is a reliable source. Just because it also has a print publication doesn't make it any more reliable than a purely online site. If anything IGN is the most reliable site because of its dedicated Nintendo team that has close ties to Nintendo... Regardless though, the point is that none of the sites know for sure because the Nintendo has not officially revealed the date. Until Nintendo does, every site is just guess and we shouldn't list guesses, sourced or not. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Not true, we shouldn't list guesses made by editors, that would be original research on our part. Wikipedia routinely cites reliable sources best guesses though, and I see no reason why this situation should be any different. An "official announcement" is actually not something we would use on Wikipedia as it is considered a primary source unless the announcement was being reported by a secondary source (1UP, EGM, etc). —Locke Cole • t • c 03:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

By picking one reliable source over another we are essentially listing a guess made by you. I would agree with you if all of the reliable sources were listing the same date, but they are not. Thus the best course of action is to list the date as TBA. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

But saying "TBA" is itself original research because we have a date with a reliable source. Do you see the issue? —Locke Cole • t • c 03:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We have many different reliable sources each stating different dates. Do you see the issue? -Zomic13 (talk) 03:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

But only one of those sources is available in print which is a hell of a lot more credible than a website (which literally anyone can make on their own). —Locke Cole • t • c 03:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

But IGN and Gamespot aren't websites that "just anyone made". They are legit businesses and their websites are entirely credible. Also, you're not even citing a print source - you're citing a website as well. Technically 1up.com isn't even the website for any print magazines - it's just part of the same games network under Ziff Davis Media, therefore it should fall under the same criticisms as any other website. -Zomic13 (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. —Locke Cole • t • c 04:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

There is no official announcement yet. Leve it as TBA

Did that help?

I edited the article to state that a release date for North America has "yet to be confirmed." Since you were bickering on the fact there were many conflicting release dates, I figured that one hasn't been confirmed. Can we get rid of that ugly dispute banner now? ~~ Gromreaper^(Talk)/_(Cont) 06:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fine, whatever. We have a date and we're refusing to use it because a handful of editors would rather go by their gut feeling rather than a reliable source. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

How do you even know for sure these editors are making "wild guesses"? They have lots of contacts in the industry, and they sure know more about the business than you and I do. Also, saying that a website like 1Up is more credible just because it has a print counterpart is like saying that smarmy tabloid websites are credible just because they have smarmy print versions you can buy at the grocery. Plus IGN now lists June 28 as the release date, so I dunno who to belive at this point. And remember, IGN is a big site network owned by Fox, so it's actually a lot bigger and richer than the struggling Ziff-Davis (which recently filed for Chapter 11.) Nintenboy01 (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Gamespot told me april 15 so did 1up.com.