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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Thrice34 (talk | contribs) at 15:06, 3 April 2008 (→‎what song is this?: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

The "other meanings" link directs to Wiktionary. Should that be there? If so, should the external link picture be shown? trebor 03:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Wiktionary isn't considered an external link, it's an interwiki link. At least, that's my understanding. I'm not big on that sort of thing, but I assume that's what's going on. I wouldn't worry about it. Cheeser1 04:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THEMES

This section needs to either be fleshed out or deleted. As it stands right now, I'm not sure that it's serving a useful purpose on the page. Rekrdskratcher 02:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GENRE DISCUSSION

The current genres on Thrice fit perfectly (no alt. metal arguments) post-hardcore fits because it is any combination of Hardcore, Emo, Punk and Metal. Thrice fits there. And since they switch up they're style so much from disc to disc, I would define them as experimental as well. Good job whoever fixed this!!! Gellister 21:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we add alt metal to their genre because I have seen them classified as this on some websites e.g. the amg. DavidJJJ 21:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm concerned, the AMG is notoriously bad at classifying bands. On the other hand, it is something you could cite. However, doing so would be inconsistent with the alt. metal article (as I read it, anyway). I'm not entirely sure. Cheeser1 02:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

emo: "emotional-hardcore" seeing as they are currently listed as both hardcore and post hardcore, and that the lyrics seem to be emotionally driven, wouldn't a simple "emo" suffice?

No man. Thrice is no where near emo. Emo is pretty finite as a genre and includes bands like Indian Summer, Circle Takes the Square, and Love Like...Electrocution, to name a few. Thrice is really just melodic hardcore. Their breakdowns aren't as prominent and they have slight metal influences. The closest they have been to being hardcore is with Identity Crisis.

Also, another point to keep in mind is that The Illusion of Safety is not metalcore influenced except on the tracks "A Subtle Dagger," "Betrayal Is a Symptom," and "Where Idols Once Stood." I think whoever did the write-up was thinking that because Illusion of Safety was heavier, it also must be more metal. This is untrue. The Artist in the Ambulance has many more metal influnces. Some songs are outright metalcore (with Thrice's more poppy melodies included) like "Paper Tigers," "Blood Clots and Black Holes," and "Under a Killing Moon." On TAITA, Thrice polarized their sound more, allowing for the brutality of a song like "Paper Tigers" to coexist with a song like "The Artist in the Ambulance." People read into this variety of genres from song to song instead of etude to etude as an example of the album being less heavy and therefore less metal, when in reality the opposite is true.

-DFelon204409

Would people quit trying to define Emo dammit! It's just a style of rock that involves octave chords and certain singing qualities... a billion bands fall under it because it's a genre just like metal and harcore are genres.

-Gellister

No, people will not "quit defining emo." This is an encyclopedia. In an encyclopedia, we use the proper, accurate, precise definitions of words. You want to call anything melodic "emo"? Good for you. That's not what it means. If you want to call something emo on Wikipedia, it better have to do with Emo (music), and not just flippanty or tangientially. Thrice is not such a band. -- 149.43.x.x 22:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC) (PS Hi DFelon.)[reply]

That's because there's stupid people out there like you who need to define emo... it's a genre, genres can contain so many mixes the possibilities are endless. Example: if there's a band that is southern rock and hardcore... they can be dubbed southcore or something. Genres can be bent and twisted as much as anyone is willing to go. So clam up, because bands like Brazil are out there and they incorporate a plethora of different styles.. Suck it.. (and I never said anything about all emo being melodic you dickweed)

- Gellister

Personal attacks and vulgarities? I'm not going to address you further unless you want to actually discuss this in an intelligible and rational manner. The fact that you can conceive of new genres or that some bands work across several genres is irrelevant to the definition of Emo (music). This is an encyclopedia, not a place to argue about how much of a "dickweed" someone is because they have an understanding of the proper definition of a word. I suggest you reexamine your tone, because it's not a great idea to tell people to "suck it" instead of trying to constructively contribute to the article. Cheeser1 07:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I always hated the excessive categorization of music. Does rock music really need 1000 different sub divisions? I wouldn't be surprised if some music snob tries to label a band "nu post-punk hardcore emo" a couple years from now.

A "music snob" might know better than to be redundant (emo implies hardcore). Nobody is just cramming together random genre names. Now, you could go ahead and convert every genre label on Wikipedia to say "rock." That's a quick way to get yourself in trouble. The fact is, there are different styles of music, rock or not, and different cultures and subcultures in the US and around the world in which music is played and experienced -- if it's a bother to you, then you can ignore it. I can't go and get fed up with the 1000s of species of birds and just decide that Wikipedia will now consider all birds the same. It's nonsensical. Cheeser1 07:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Emo does not imply hardcore, and if you're in the mood to define genres specifically, you would discover that hardcore and emo are very different. Traditional hardcore is nowhere near as melodic as emo and that the two genres don't share that much in common. It's hard to define Thrice because they transcend genres. I'm very glad to see that nobody has tried to apply a christian label to their music. If you want to do the best job of defining a genre, pick something like "post-alternative" since it is so broad and includes so much. Deutschebag17 06:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the first line of the article Emo (music): Emo is a subgenre of hardcore punk music. Before trying to revive and exacerbate a stupid argument, make sure you aren't 100% wrong. Cheeser1 17:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's hardcore punk, not hardcore. i would disagree with the point that emo is a subgenre of hardcore (and if you read previous versions of the page you would find that many people seem to agree with me). it may be influenced by hardcore, but it's not a subgenre of it in the same way that hardcore is a subgenre of rock. and i think that the point we're all making here is that thrice defies classification. i'm also distressed by your regression into personal attacks. the point of a talk page is to talk about the topic, not make personal attacks. some of us are trying to build a consensus and your personal attacks are counterproductive, and particularly ironic because in a previous post you chastise someone for resorting to personal attacks. Deutschebag17 05:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Listen kid, I'm not in the business of getting into arguments about stuff that I'm factually correct about. You want to insist that you and "many other people" "seem to agree"? Go ahead. "Hardcore" means hardcore punk (don't believe me? Check Hardcore). I'm not making "personal attacks." You are wrong. 100% wrong. That is a fact, just something I'm pointing out as a part of this discussion that you've slowly but surely snowballed into an argument wherein you think my "personal attacks" are "ironic" when in fact all I've done is demonstrated incontravertibly that you are wrong and that you do not understand the terms you are picking a fight about. Go ahead and respond to this if you want, I'm likely going to ignore it because I doubt that I could possibly say anything more -- I'm not interested in doing so. You want a petty argument, go somewhere else, I'm done explaining to you exactly how you're wrong (even citing sources for your benefit) in hopes that you'll just stop. Cheeser1 07:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Emo was originally part of Hardcore punk... if you go down to the bone it still is. It's just people who listen to post-emo indie rock (actual genre) think that is Emo and it's not. Emo is actually called Emotional Hardcore so Cheeser is right on that one. (by the way if you ever read, this I apologize for my conduct earlier... I really shouldn't take a person's opinion to heart because it's an opinion so I respect the manner you act toward your peers.)Gellister 20:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you should consider calling them an experimental rock band as on their myspace page. After the alchemy index there is no way that they can be classified post-hardcore group any longer. 69.152.145.86 07:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)dannynat[reply]

Even if their new stuff is experimental rock, I think post-hardcore should be retained in the genre list, since historically they have primarily been a post-hardcore band. Most of their albums (and much of their set list) remain post-hardcore. Jpers36 15:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with keeping the post-hardcore. Plus, the album hasn't been released yet - it could still have a whole bunch of heavier content on it. Thricecube 21:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact it has a bunch of way way softer songs that aren't always even alternative rock. Vheissu stayed post hardcore on a few songs like "Hold fast hope" and "the earth will shake", but none of the songs I've listened to from the new album so far seem to have that kind of sound to them. MATT 14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt 14 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Post=hardcore is supposed to be a form of experimental rock. It's essentially hardcore punk in a more experimental form so I think that post-hardcore already covers the whole experimental portion of their music. What I'm really wondering right now is who put that they were "metalcore" in their "early career". Every album I've heard by Thrice using the name of Thrice cannot fall under that genre. "First impressions" was really a punk CD and "identity crisis" was punk with more hardcore elements and after that they continued to soften their sound so I am removing the metalcore because it does not pertain to their sound. And I also apologize for being short with everyone earlier. I have had a really short fuse and I try not to pull that kind of crap but despite my best efforts I get rather passionate.Gellister (talk) 22:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

JUNE 2007 --- Major Cleanup

This article needs a huge cleanup -- there are no citations for anything, especially the history/biography part of the band. This needs to change, and I am going to begin working on it. If anyone has relevant information for this article, please help out or post here, I cleaned up the talkpage a lot, it was really messy. PLEASE CITE ANYTHING YOU ADD TO THE MAIN ARTICLE! Additionally, information about the release of Identity Crisis needs to be sorted out--as it stands, there appear to be "opinions" on its release dates and re-release dates. If any information can be cited, please fix this. ACA 01:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've had this article on my To-Do list for a while now. I'm planning to do a pretty thorough rewrite of the article, since it's currently very amateurish in its language. Also, the lead-in paragraph is completely disposable. I'll make this page my next priority. Tdogg241 00:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've taken a crack at rewriting the band history and lead paragraph. Hopefully I got rid of all the NPOV statements and the article should be in much better shape now. Tdogg241 08:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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GA nomination on hold

Please leave a note on my talk page when you're done with this stuff. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 10:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The lead contains quite a few statements that aren't sourced, and some that are. You should either source everything, or nothing - not a mixture of the two! I suggest you remove the refs from the lead and use them elsewhere.\
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 1 to 11 need full, {{cite web}} style formatting (publisher, author (if known), accessdate, etc.)
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Throughout the band's career, they have been known to donate proceeds from album sales to charitable or non-profit organizations" - This is a standalone section - expand on this and make it a paragraph (talk about other stuff they've done in their career (other than albums) etc.)
  • {{fact}} is used at the end of the first para of the "First Impressions and Identity Crisis" section - so yeah, got a citation?
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A portion of the album's proceeds were donated to a local charity called Crittenton Services for Children and Families. More support gigs and local buzz followed, and Thrice sparked the interest of Hopeless/Sub City's Louis Posen. In 2001, Posen signed the band, reissued Identity Crisis, and sent them out on tour with Samiam. Tours with Midtown and Hot Rod Circuit followed." - Sources/citations needed
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "That fall, the band toured with Hot Water Music and Coheed and Cambria before returning to the studio." - Source/Ref?
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Between the first and second paras of the "The Artist in the Ambulance" section, there seems to be an extra line break, which should probably be removed...
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A portion of the album's proceeds were this time donated to the Syrentha Savio Endowment, a financial aid organization for breast cancer patients. First pressings of the album were packaged in a digipak-style case with postcards containing lyrics and notes from the band." - Source/Ref? Same for the next paragraph...
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Island Records issued a promotional disc[8] (that features an alternate version of "The Artist in the Ambulance") in early 2004...outlining their entire career thus far." - The ref needs to go over a punctuation mark, so place it at the end over the full stop. Or to the end of the paragraph if the whole para is sourced from it.
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "For Vheissu, the band chose a tutorial program for underprivileged children called 826 Valencia to receive proceeds from the album sales.[9]" - Does this source also cover the previous paragraph? Even if it doesn't, this sentence should be merged with the para above.
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The band toured extensively in support of the album, including headlining the 2006 Taste of Chaos tour and performing "Image of the Invisible" on Jimmy Kimmel Live. In May 2006, The band released "Red Sky" as their second single from the album. The accompanying video was directed by Tim Hope, who had previously directed videos for Coldplay and Jimmy Eat World. Instead of releasing just a single, Thrice opted to release the Red Sky EP in support of the single, which included two previously unreleased tracks and four live tracks." - Source/Ref?
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The band maintained a studio blog titled Alchemy Index throughout the recording process." - There shouldn't be an external link here in the article text - just use it as a source/ref instead.
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On 12 October 2007, Thrice released the first two parts to the Alchemy Index in their entirety through the band's Myspace page. Most comments from fans were positive ahead of the album's release. Interestingly, hours prior, the EPs were leaked onto a tribute-turned-Grohl-approved message board formed after the upheaval of the official Thrice Message Boards, thus prompting suspicion that the members of Thrice still care about their former boardies and visit them often." - Source/ref?
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It debuted at #24 on the Billboard 200 chart[12] and #5" - Put a comma before the ref, after "chart"
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the myspace EL, use {{MySpace}}. Not sure if the Purevolume EL is relevant.
 Done -Pbroks13 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Good luck, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 10:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Illusion of Safety singles

The main Thrice page claims that "Betrayal is a Symptom" was the first single from The Illusion of Safety; however, Deadbolt (song) claims that "Deadbolt" was the only single from the album. I don't recall Betrayal is a Symptom is a single, but I could be wrong. Anybody have a reliable source on the issue? --Anon 67.187.38.109 (talk) 20:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Betrayal is a Symptom" has a music video (here) signifying it as a single. I'll be sure to change Deadbolt. --Pbroks13 20:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, do you have a link to a proper chronology (i.e. something stating that Deadbolt preceded Betrayal is a Symptom as a single)? Also, Betrayal is a Symptom is not currently on the Thrice Singles chronology. --Anon 67.187.38.109 (talk) 23:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

what song is this?

what song is this? thrice plays it very briefly on their dvd and it includes like lyrics "since when did following your heart become a sin" can anyone please tell me the title of the song

- thrice 34

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