Talk:Liverpool

Layout

I would recommend a closer layout to that recommended in WP:UKCITIES to help move this article along! -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Chinatown

I have recently crated the article Chinatown, Liverpool, Liverpool is home to Europe's largest Chinese community, there needs to be more information about this on this article, and links to my new articleStevvvv4444 · (Stevvvv4444) 20:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Liverpool has Europe's oldest/first chinese community..but not its largest. I would imagine that would certainly likely be London. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.145.161 (talk) 10:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You're both right, kinda. Liverpool has a much larger Chinese population per head of population. However, as London has almost 20 times the population of Liverpool, it has more people of Chinese descent overall.81.139.117.111 (talk) 14:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Welsh?

Why is the city's Welsh name (Lerpwl) listed, and then no further information is giving about the Welsh in Liverpool? Other UK cities don't have the their names in the Welsh language listed (save, obviously, those in Wales). I would recommend that either the Welsh name is removed, to bring the article into line with other city articles on Wikipedia, or a section be added to the article to justify the inclusion of a foreign-language name so prominently. 62.49.22.228 (talk) 00:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It was once part of ancient Wales and mythical capital.

Liverpool was never part of 'ancient Wales'... It was known as the Capital of Wales in the early 1900's simply for the fact that there was more Welsh born citizens living in Liverpool than in Cardiff, the capital of Wales.

It should be noted that the Welsh were famed as the builders of 19th century Liverpool and that the Welsh had 'roofed' the world with Welsh slate. --92.234.248.31 (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

First Picture

The first picture should be removed and replaced with a picture of the Pier Head. What is the financial district? Nothing! Liverpool isn't known for it's business area. The first picture should be that of the Pier Head. yeah but the pic is too dark

south Sefton & Knowsley

I am at odds with another user Jza84 who appears not have any local knowledge of the Liverpool area, who is questioning my edits on the suburbs of Liverpool (districts not within the city council boundary). I am putting it to debate. Despite my knowledge that places like Huyton or Seaforth are suburbs of Liverpool, the user i am having problems with is set against such a link and quoting wikipedia rules to me. It may be easy to do for someone with experience, however I am doing edits truthfully and with knowledge so why must this person reverse my work? With no discussion? Indeed the Liverpool districts section already had many of these suburbs written in before i ever started using Wikipedia. I do not know if the user is a vandal or just trying too hard to stick to the rules, a jobsworth infact. As the user is probably not local to Liverpool i have to question his quest to reverse my edits on the suburbs of Liverpool. Dmcm2008 (talk) 12:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I am local and I disagree with your edits as suburb is badly defined.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

yes you would. I do not know what your problem is. With respect, I do not have a problem leaving these places as individual towns/ villages in their own right. However there is a connection to the city of Liverpool and my own though was use suburb, it is a commonly used word works with places inside and outside city council boundaries. However as you do not wish to come to common ground. If you are local as you say you do appear to be very snobbish and jobsworth in refusing to link these suburbs to Liverpool. Dmcm2008 (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you comments show that is you that does not wish to find common ground.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Both of you need to cool down over this. It's irrelevant who is 'local' and who is not; if you have sourced and cited information then add it to the article if it meets the verifiability and neutral point of view criteria. Coldmachine^Talk 00:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

In following

User Jza84 has systematically tried to remove all my edits to do with Liverpool suburbs. And that includes a section on this Liverpool page called districts; that revealed other districts but not within the city boundary. He has removed this section even though it existed before I came along. All I did was enhance it and correct multiple location places. I have edited in good faith because I wanted to enhance the Liverpool pages but the user Jza84 has a problem with this. I am pulling out of WP due to the users harrassment I hope someone else can stop the user before he completeley strips the Liverpool pages to the bare facts. Best wishes good EDITORS. Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Not part of the city but in the city

I removed an unsourced list of places from the article with this edit. This is because the material was asserting that places outside of Liverpool are part of the city. It was badly formatted and didn't cite its sources. Simillarly, in Lancashire. The buildings of England. Harmondsworth: Penguin. 1969. pp. pp 126, 207–262, 420–1. ISBN 0-140-71036-1. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help), Nikolaus Pevsner gives a list of Liverpool suburbs from Aigburth to Woolton; Whiston, Huyton and other places are not included. --Jza84 |  Talk  10:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

discussion

This section of Liverpool districts page existed before I ever edited. However because I have enhanced the liverpool suburbs user Jza84 is systematically reverting all my edits. I cannot win. I will leave wp today 15/03/08 and leave this for future editors to work out. Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not about 'winning'; your recent remarks suggest that you are POV pushing here and I'm more inclined to view you as the edit warrior in this situation than Jza84. It can be difficult, at first, to get to grips with the way Wikipedia functions but I strongly suggest you read the following policies on editing:

• Content policy: neutral point of view
• Content policy: verifiability
• Content policy: no original research
• Behavioural policy: achieving consensus
• Behavioural policy: three revert rule
• Behavioural policy: edit warring
• Behavioural policy: no personal attacks

Nobody is preventing you from improving this article, and I'm sorry you feel this way, but people are asking that you make contributions in accordance with the content policies. You haven't achieved consensus for the changes, and by concentrating on the editors and not the content it's unlikely that any progress will be made. Please, if you wish to add content, then cite a reliable source and seek consensus on the talk page first. Coldmachine^Talk 11:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Please use the 'List of towns and cities in England by poulation' article to substantiate the population please. Liverpool is ranked 3rd and as we are discussing the 'city' and not the 'borough' these figre must be used.

Sister Cities

When did Istanbul become a sister city of Liverpool? I can't find anything on the net which verifies this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.227.114 (talk) 18:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

re above, I have not researched so I cannot answer your question but I personally think it unlikely, since you brought it to the fore I am puzzled by the entry of Istanbul. Dmcm2008 (talk) 09:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not on the council's list [1], so it seems unlikely and therefore I've removed it. --RFBailey (talk) 21:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Canning and other such 'trendy designer names'

I am being thwarted by users Jza84 and KitchenKnife over any edits I make to do with Liverpool. That I have an interested in expanding Liverpool WP pages and correcting any mistakes are challenged everytime I edit...but nevertheless.. For the record, Falkner Square is edited as being in 'Canning'. I have argured there is no such district..it is a name given to a grouping of city centre streets because of the architecture...Also known as the Georgian Quarter. There are other such places that exist that are not districts but are modern trendy names....like Breckfield in Anfield/Everton border....and Granby in Toxteth...so too Ropewalks. Because Canning is proven to exist by websites it must exist...what nonesense...Unfortunately I cannot argue against this pair because they run wikipedia so I will let them get on with it. Dmcm2008 (talk) 12:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Once Liverpool was a made up name. What does it take for there to be an area with a name. The council use Canning etc. You view seem to be arbitary. Names like Hartington have gone out of use should we still use that?--Kitchen Knife (talk) 19:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

While to describe "Canning" as such may be a relatively new idea (probably dreamed up by estate agents.....), if there are sources which report on this then it is not unreasonable to talk of them. Estate agents are very good at inventing names like this, and do it everywhere, not just in Liverpool: sometimes the names catch on and stick, other times they don't and go away and die quietly. --RFBailey (talk) 21:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with some of the above, some names are dreamed up by some organisation or other. In this instance Canning, in others say Breckfield. I cannot argue that if someone wants to use these terms. All I wanted to say was there was no actual area so Canning should be regarded as a name given to a group of streets on the edge of the city centre. The other used name is Georgian Quarter. In response to Kitchen Knife, there must be some 'control' over use of names. While I personally would be a hypocrite if I said it should be closed shop, but some older names like Stanley and Dog and Gun are no longer used. Dmcm2008 (talk) 14:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Lets just stick to the recognised 'Wards' of Liverpool rather than invented local names for areas such as Little Italy, or Little Russia etc etc. Or better still.. stick to Postcodes aye?--92.234.248.31 (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms

Could someone upload an image of the coat of arms of this city to Commons? Thanks. --Pabletex (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool skyline

I enjoyed the recent nightime image of Liverpools business district, can anyone add this aswell as the waterfront view? Dmcm2008 (talk) 19:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

slurs

can i ask why somebody has been allowed to post slurs against the people of liverpool in the main article this is an unfair view of the people and goes against wikipedias own rules of conduct. can someone please remove the line 'inhabitants of liverpool are known as pikeys... etc.' back to what it was 'inhabitants of liverpool are known as liverpudlians...' i understand it was probably a joke but i think it is in bad taste, especially when the whole world can read these comments. thankyou Fifi27 (talk) 02:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Since the article is not protected then anyone is free to edit it to revert vandalism...by all means go ahead and revert it yourself if you spot any more. The article, like many other high profile articles, is often subject to vandalism. Coldmachine^Talk 14:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Update

A lot of this article is out of date. A lot of tense needs correcting and some information. DoyleyTalk 21:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Woah Woah Woah

Why is the main image of the business area. Lets be honest the main image for Liverpool has to be the 3 graces! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.151.142 (talk) 20:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Merseyside

Would there be much support for a Merseyside Wikiproject as a sub project of Wikiproject:UK Geography? Most other important 'areas' or counties currently benefit from having a focused Wikiproject and I feel Merseyside would do also. I'm asking here before making any formal steps to form the project. Please respond if you would be willing to support such a project. Zenichiro (talk) 14:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. My only fear is that there's not enough people interested to get it in full swing. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you could get enough people, and I'd support you in spirit (as opposed to full membership). I would be great to get a Merseyside project off the ground, as so many of its articles are stalling and failing, whilst WP:GM is rocketing away.

Perhaps try a notice at WP:UKGEO, coupled with all the major Merseyside borough and town articles would help? Also, it might be worth asking the Category:Wikipedians in Merseyside for their support. Hope that helps, --Jza84 |  Talk  23:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Lead

I've had a blast at bringing the lead upto a more befitting standard for the city (see this diff). It's not a perfect change by any means, but I think it's a good start. I have to say I'm really appauled by the state this article is in. That's not a slur on any of the previous editors who have clearly worked very hard, but really, for such an important city, I'm surprised by the lack of quality. Yup, that is a challenge! --Jza84 |  Talk  23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I have just come across this talk page. Having been involved in discussion page to do with Liverpool Urban Area, there are so many dirivatives: Greater Liverpool, Greater Merseyside, city region, Liverpool urban area, Liverpool Bay even. Some have different meanings but it is clear to me that the pages that do exist are at odds with other definitions. This needs to be cleaned up I am willing to participate but it is a big job! Dmcm2008 (talk) 23:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, but please keep each article within the spirit of what's been discussed in the past - i.e. stick to statutory/official boundaries. Of course mentions of those wider areas are permissable here, but this article is about the city proper. --Jza84 |  Talk  01:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

The article needs to be watched much closer. Here was a very obvious revert of vandalism removal and the line " Culturally, the city is seen as rascist but there are some of Britian's top Kebab houses there and all ran by Turks and Tunisians." has been present in the article for 3 days. This is not acceptable. Please can more editors watch list the page. Thank you. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Please do not berate your fellow editors who are investing their own free time voluntarily to remove vandalism from a number of pages on Wikipedia, besides Liverpool. Many of us simply do not have the time to spend on one article, and if you check the contribution history of those of us who have reverted vandalism here you'll see we do so elsewhere as well. Since reverting vandalism requires no technical know-how or special tools then there is absolutely nothing stopping you from spending more time to ensure Liverpool is vandal-free. I think, however, you will find it a mammoth task since this is a high-risk article. Coldmachine^Talk 07:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I've made a semi protect request for this article. Michellecrisp (talk) 07:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately that will only offer a temporary respite: semi protection rarely lasts long, particularly on articles such as Liverpool since IP edits can be of use and contributions of benefit to the project. However, it may deter persistent vandals in the meantime at least. The problem is also that some vandalism takes place here through accounts; it isn't just IPs. In any event, we can only do what we can only do. Coldmachine^Talk 08:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You can request a longer semi protect...I've seen it put on for 6 months. Also semi protect applies to newly created accounts as well. Michellecrisp (talk) 08:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Merseyside? (again)

Hello folks, I'm really keen to see a WikiProject:Merseyside get off the ground to facilitate the development of articles in the region.

I've started a sub page at User:Jza84/Merseyside for all those users who want to declare their interest. Feel free to post a link to that subpage to the necessary talk pages. --Jza84 |  Talk  20:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

New radio station: City Talk

Jossdickie (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC) A new radio staition recently opened in Liverpool city centre, which should be added to the main Liverpool article as it has it's own Wikipedia page at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Talk_105.9 Jossdickie (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

City Of Liverpool template

I notice Manchester has a City Centre page in this template it would be great if we could adapt a Liverpool city centre page from the Liverpool main page to identify the city centre as opposed to just Liverpool in generalDmcm2008 (talk) 10:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Demography section

I was surprised that there's no demography section in this article, especially given Liverpool's long ethnic minority histories. Would anyone object to me starting one similar to that at Manchester? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd positively encourage it! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 22:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've made a start. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)