Talk:Anakin Skywalker

Centrality

The fact is, every statement on Wikipedia is not documented, nor can it ever be so. There are such things as general knowledge. I think every statement that is sincerely questioned can be expected to have documentation affixed. That is why my edit, which stated that Anakin is the central character in the Star Wars saga, has four pieces of supporting documentation listed. I wrote it, someone questioned, it, and I supported it.

But the statement, "Anakin is found on the planet Tatooine by Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn", is uncontestable. Placement of a general tag at the top indicating the need for supporting evidence paints this statement with the same brush as every other sentence in the article. This is injudicious and unnecessary. Frankly, I do not profess to have any expertise whatsoever on this topic. But I am willing to say, as a casual fan, that the general gist of this article looks okay to me. Show me what needs support, and I will support that demand. But don't trash the whole article without laying down some specific expectations. Either place a {{Fact}} tag at the places needed, or else come to the talk page and let us know what you find inadequate about the article. That's my 2¢. Unschool 05:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read our manual of style guideline on writing about fiction, and WP:NOT#PLOT. Wikipedia articles need references that appear in reliable, published secondary (=third-party) sources. The {{in-universe}} tag draws attention to the fact that this article lacks any real world perspective, e.g. aspects of the creative process (regarding e.g. character traits, appearance in the movies, or specific story elements). Tagging with {{plot}} would also have been appropriate, but I'd particularly like to draw the attention of editors to our style guideline, which exists for good reasons.

Tagging individual statements is not an alternative, because in-universe style is a matter of the stance the whole article takes. Even if all individual statements are attributable to a source (primary or secondary, for that matter), that doesn't make for the necessary real world perspective. —AldeBaer 12:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The fact is, Anakin Skywalker is the central character only of the prequel trilogy. The original trilogy has Luke as its central character, therefore the saga is only half about Anakin. While Anakin is redeemed at the climax of the original trilogy, this event is not the goal towards which the rest of the story is directed. The original trilogy is obviously about Luke's ascent to Jedi Knight. Up until 1995, Lucas himself acknowledged that Luke was the central character in the original trilogy. Only in 1995 did he begin insisting that Anakin was the central character throughout, and all other assertions of this are merely unchallenged repititions of Lucas's claim that he always saw Anakin as the central character. -Kenobifan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenobifan (talk • contribs) 22:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

That Luke may be regarded as the central character of the original trilogy does not negate that Anakin is the central character of the entire saga; these two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Unschool 02:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That Luke is the central character of the original trilogy cannot be changed by making prequels; and the fact that his journey, not his father's, is the focus makes Anakin not the central character in that half. Lucas can't change that just by magically saying, twenty years later, that Anakin is the central character. The articles cited here are opinions; repeating Lucas's revisionist statements doesn't make them true anymore than claiming that "Greedo always shot first." The original trilogy is not really focused on redeeming Anakin, hence they are not ABOUT him. If he's not the central character in three out of six films, then he can't be the central character in all six. -Kenobifan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.128.203 (talk) 03:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, to dismiss the citations as "mere opinion" is a bit disingenuous; the average Joe's opinion does not carry equal weight with George Lucas's "opinion". But more importantly, let me repeat what I said above: I am not disputing (nor has anyone else, as best as I can tell), that Luke is the central character to the original trilogy. But I repeat, the statements that Luke is the central character to the original trilogy and that Anakin is the central character to the Star Wars saga are not mutually exclusive. Unschool 03:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

In-universe

Anyone seriously interested in improving the article should consider adding some real world related info, e.g. regarding the concept, creation, and/or function of the character within the Star Wars narrative etc. Please consult our writing about fiction guideline, which also includes a list of exemplary articles.

There are currently three featured articles on Star Wars characters: Palpatine, Padmé Amidala, and Jabba the Hutt. What sets them aside from most of the other SW character articles is the effort to write from the real world perspective. Pay particular attention to paragraphs like Jabba the Hutt#Concept and creation, Palpatine#Concept and creation, and Padmé Amidala#Characterization.

Also take a look at Darth Vader, which despite its lack of reliable, published third-party secondary sources features interesting sections on e.g. #Character creation and concepts and Darth Vader as a #Cultural figure.

Even though reliable sources may be tough to come up with, any effort to introduce coherently written real world aspects will be greatly appreciated, because it contributes to the depth of the article and accurate coverage of the topic, and thereby makes for an improved reading experience and increases the encyclopedic value of the article.

—AldeBaer 15:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Potentially useful online sources for adding real world perspective

• BBC search "Anakin Skywalker"

• Danny Graydon for bbc.co.uk: Looking for Anakin - some info on the casting
• BBC newsround : Hayden Christensen interview
• Anwar Brett for bbc.co.uk: Hayden Christensen - Star Wars: Episode III - another Christensen interview

• CNN seach "Anakin Skywalker"
• Paul Fischer for girl.com.au: Hayden Christensen interview
• Claire E. White for writerswrite.com: A Conversation With Alan Dean Foster - interview with Alan Dean Foster
• Cristopher Hennessey-DeRose and Michael McCarty for scifi.com: Terry Brooks' many magic kingdoms are still for sale - interview with Terry Brooks
• David Welch for scifi.com: The cast and crew of the latest Star Wars flick aren't cloning around - interview with George Lucas
• Jimmy Akin for decentfilms.com: The Star Wars films: Moral and spiritual issues - features e.g. a section on Mythic symbolism
• Steven D. Greydanus for Catholic World Report magazine (link is at decentfilms.com): An American Mythology: Why Star Wars Still Matters - more commentary including Anakin

—AldeBaer 10:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Anakin Picture

I just logged onto the page and noticed that the photo in the text box had not shown up. Now because of the possible bad connection it simply may not have loaded on the computer. But can this be confirmed by another connection from another location please. I started to see if there were any mistakes in coding but saw none so it may be my connection period. Thanx! JCSR —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 10:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that there is a need for 2 separate articles for them. It has been discussed many times before on here. They are essentially 2 different characters. --Vertigo315 00:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Merging with Darth Vader article

There's no reason why this article should exist. It could be perfectly be merged to Darth Vader. | DUKERED^{FREE SPEECH} 01:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Given that Darth Vader represents a portion of Anakin's life, it would make equal or superior sense to merge the Darth Vader article into this one. Unschool 02:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Darth Vader is the more well-known identity of the character. More people would know who Darth Vader is before Anakin Skywalker. King Zeal 13:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed ad nauseam. This pair of articles is analogous to Clark Kent and Superman articles, and is entirely appropriate for similar reasons. Many noteworthy real people have multiple articles too, with each one dedicated to separate portions of their life; in the same way, this highly noteworthy fictional character has different articles focusing on different portions in his fictional life. There is no rule that each entity must have only one article devoted to it (especially when that entity is imaginary anyway!); Charles Darwin, for example, has nearly a dozen articles devoted to his life. It allows details to be delved into that wouldn't fit in only one article. -Silence 20:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Clark Kent and Superman are alter egos- Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader- they are not two sides to the same coin. These articles should be merged, though I am undecided which should be the title and which the redirect. Gabrielthursday (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Neither article is particularly large, it wouldn't hurt to merge the two. The question of title, however, is tricky. Is it against wikipedia policy to create a title such as Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, or perhaps Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker)? --Venomaru 2.0 (talk) 20:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

This has been debated time and time again here. There needs to be 2 articles as they are essentially 2 different characters and there is a need for 2 articles to explain them. Instead of wanting to merge them if you think the articles are to small then expand them.Vertigo315 (talk) 20:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

How exactly are they two different characters? Are Spider-Man and Peter Parker two different characters? After all, he wasn't Spider-Man until he was bitten by the radioactive spider. Just as Anakin wasn't Vader until he turned to the dark side. By that logic all characters who have an alter ego or an assumed identity should have separate articles for both sides of the coin. If I decide to change my job and name, am I not still the same person in every other respect?

The only precedent set for this particular issue is Clark Kent/Superman, and I disagree even more strongly on that distinction than I do on this one. As stated before, I'm for the merger, and as far as I can tell the only reason (if you can call it that) for people to disagree is that they have some sort of vendetta against the prequel trilogy. Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are one and the same, as such they should have the same article. --Venomaru 2.0 (talk) 06:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Again this has been debated for years on here... they are 2 separate chacters in the Star Wars universe even though they are the same person. This point has been basically addressed by Lucas himself on many occasions.Vertigo315 (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, these are two different characters. At one point, you have a very good farm boy. Then he has many tragic events that make him think he should avenge himself or avenge the the person-example his mother and the sand people. Then you have a dark lord in hidding that is trying to ease him into the dark side. It also doesn't help that Anakin wants more power. So lets change the plot for a moment; lets say Quigon got Anie's mother out of Tatooien. He would not have killed the sand peolpe. He would be happier. He probably wouldn't have married Amidala either. So the whole plot changes and you don't have the Empire in the end. You basically just changed Star Wars right there. So why would you have these two characters the same when all Ankin did was make bad choices and have a dark lord heelping him make bad choices. Just take Luke in the last movie. Vader-That name no longer has any meanig for me. Luke-It is your true self you have forgoten. I know there is still good in you, the emperor hasn't drriven it from you fully. They are two different people fighting inside to show themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.213.52.251 (talk) 14:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

MergeIt's the same person not two different characters. I mean would you then create two articles for comic book characters or other characters that go from good to bad. Just because a character was a "good" guy and then turned bad, doesn't really mean you should go create two articles for it. Gman124 ^talk 08:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

based on this discussion there's only Vertigo315 ans Silence and an IP that think these articles should be separate, and there's like 6 others (DUKERED, Unschool, King Zeal, Gabrielthursday, Venomaru 2.0 and I) that want it merged. So based on that shouldn't this article be merged, since it's clear that more editors want it merged than the ones that want to keep it.Gman124 ^talk 09:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

There is also a disscusion at Talk:Darth Vader on the merge, so I think you guys should discuss there since many people are discussing the merger there than here. Gman124 ^talk 09:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

In 2005 it was agreed upon to split these into 2 articles for the reasons that have been given. All of these points of view have already been discussed many times over the years. The bottom line is this, it was decided 3 years ago to make them 2 articles becuase George Lucas considers them to be 2 separate characters and this is canon. Until someone brings up a new arguement other than the fact that they are the same person then they need to be kept separate. --Vertigo315 (talk) 21:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because his "personalty" is different doesn't warrant a separate article. Anyway this article is nothing but plot and in my opinion should be redirected just like the tv episode articles. There is nothing on this article that makes it notable. This page is like a Star Wars fan page, with fans like you wanting keep this article. It would be much better to merge it with Darth Vader article since it would improve that with more info to that article. Anyway you said, " Until someone brings up a new arguement other than the fact that they are the same person then they need to be kept separate" Well arn't you basically giving the same argument as well saying because he had a "change in personality", so the articles should separate. Gman124 04:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Prodigy

While in Watto's employ, Anakin learned valuable mechanical and technical skills. He earned the reputation of being able to fix anything. So technically inclined was he that at the young age of nine, he cobbled together a working protocol droid -- C-3PO -- to help his mother. — Skywalker, Anakin, Databank

A fussy and worry-prone protocol droid, C-3PO was cobbled together from discarded scrap and salvage by a nine-year old prodigy on the desert planet Tatooine. Young Anakin Skywalker had intended the homemade droid to help his mother, Shmi. With limited resources, the droid that Anakin built was truly remarkable. — C-3PO (See-Threepio), Databank

In Star Wars: The New Essential Guide to Characters, p. 164, "[Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker] excelled at mathematics and engineering."

In Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary, Anakin is described as a "podracer engineer," and it reads that he "quickly understands how things work."

--68.224.247.53 00:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

He's still cool!

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Even if he turned evil, I still like him. But in the 6th episode, he turned good again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.186.62 (talk) 14:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, what has this got to do with the context of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ADBandicoot (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea but (s)he's right--User:Angel David (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)22:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

who's cares....Anakin is sooooo hot..!!! i <3 Anakin Skywalker...i'm gonna marry him!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.163.123 (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry Miss but his Padmé's--Angel David (talk) 00:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Shouldn't we put the part where he dies in this article as well as the DV one. He was born as anakin and died as anakin, not vader.--Jakezing (talk) 20:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what the previous person was talking about, but i think the scene of Anakin as a force ghost should be with Sebastian Shaw, not Hayden Christiansen. As seen with Obi-Wan and Yoda, people don't revert to their prime as force ghosts and despite Lucas making the change, i feel that original scene is more appropriate, at the very least to show Anakin in his old age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.64.176 (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Anakin was about 39 when he died, as Episode 1 took place 30 years before episode 3. We should put that down, shouldn't we? Also, in one shot in episode 3, it shows Anakin's eyes turned yellow like Palpatine's. Maybe all Sith Lords' eyes turn yellow if they fully embrace the dark side or something.

The issue isn't whether you "feel" it's more appropriate, it simply is. Sorry but that's the breaks. If Lucas changed it then we have to live with it. You simply can't simply deny that it's been changed because you didn't agree with it. If anything both should be included. Secondly why was James Earl Jones not credited as an actor for him? Considering voice over work does make one an actor he should be properly credited as well. Not mention that David Prowse was the actor who was in the Darth Vader costume, he is not mentioned either. But none of this even matters since there should not be two seperate articles for Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker. We might as well make seperate articles for all aliases of other characters. We could make two for Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ben Kenobi, or four for Senator Palpatine, Chancellor Palpatine, Emporer Palpatine and finally Darth Sideous. Seriously people get rid of this article. -Scarlocke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.48.250.215 (talk) 13:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No actual description of him

I think it would be appropriate if there was an actual description of him, his life and so on, it is significant. Also it would help better understand him, a summary would be perfect. Its to hard for someone completly new to star wars to read 4 differnt sections of the movies he was in where he is totally changed everytime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.154.176 (talk) 23:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Not the Chosen One's Fault!

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It is not Anakin's fault that he has turned to the Dark Side. He was seduced by Lord Sidius. He only wanted to save Padme, so it was for good that he turned to the Dark Side. Also, he was angry because he wasnt powerfull enough to save his mother.

Also, the prophecy is true becuase in Episode six, he does kill the Sith, also killing himself, so he is the Chosen One.

by Bartholomew Solo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartholomew Solo (talk • contribs) 20:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• OK. Your point is? Jasca Ducato (talk) 18:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Rank

When he turned to the dark side is he a Dark Jedi? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.129.62.2 (talk) 03:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

no.--Jakezing (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Episode 1 description

In the description for Episode 1, it states he was conceived by Darth Maul. I'm not that in tune with the ins and outs of Star Wars history, but I've never seen this anywhere else on the site (or on Wookiepedia). Is this fact or did some idiot just add in his own fanon?--68.193.114.116 (talk) 00:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ew! No, wrong! I am a DIE HARD star wars fan and I feel that I am certified to say that some idiot has gone and put that. Completely disgusting. Unless, of course, there's been some book that's been published that defies all that George Lucas has to say on the matter. ~ The Rebel's Gone Pokeynuts LOL 05:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebel Queen Pokeynut (talk • contribs)

Claims of being a loner

I have taken out the claim of Anakin being a supposed loner under the tutelage of Obi-Wan. Where is the evidence to support such a claim? A Prodigy ^(t•c•m) 18:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

In Coruscant Nights I, Jax (a fellow Padawan) remembers him as being a loner68.43.207.114 (talk) 21:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)