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Note - access date format 2008-06-16

Living Memory LGBT History Timeline from Trans perspective

A possible resource. Transgender Aging Network has launched a project - Living Memory LGBT History Timeline to assist with aging LGBT folks "It is impossible to tell without asking someone precisely which public events shaped their lives, but knowing what was likely reported in newspapers and discussed at dinner parties during a person’s lifetime may help you understand how their worldview was shaped. To offer insight into the concerns, lifestyles, and belief sets of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people who are now 50 and older, the Transgender Aging Network has constructed the following timeline showing how old they would have been when there were critical events or changes in the lives of LGBT people." Starting with the 1920s the events list can be cross-referenced with current GLBT timelines and used as a possible stepping stone to aid Trans projects and awareness. The PDF version is here [1] Html via Google is here [2]

Feminists for Life potential material

Starting draft page

User:Benjiboi/LGBT image quest for current pile.

LGBT Random Picture for user pages

Use {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} or alternatively <center>{{Portal:LGBT/Pics}}</center> if you want it centered on userspace.Benjiboi

8 page interview; 2 other interviews linked on same page.

refs date of benefit event Benjiboi

Kellan

Kellan event in 2007[3]Benjiboi

Build stub for Michael A. Gilbert per Transexual article edit request from 89.182.0.102

The term 'cross-dresser' is not exactly defined in the relevant literature. Michael A. Gilbert[2], professor at the Department of Philosophy, York University, Toronto, and an avowed cross-dresser himself, offers this definition Benjiboi

Another[4]. -- Banjeboi

Sisters controversy section ideas

...because Catholicism and American politics has a vast influence on American culture or history of (discrimination, ?,?) or even the more unique and universal appearance of dress the Sisters ...

Need to find refs of criticism from within LGBT community. Benjiboi

verbiage

James Martin, S.J. the U.S. entertainment industry is of "two minds" about the Catholic Church. He argues that,

On the one hand, film and television producers seem to find Catholicism irresistible. There are a number of reasons for this. First, more than any other Christian denomination, the Catholic Church is supremely visual, and therefore attractive to producers and directors concerned with the visual image. Vestments, monstrances, statues, crucifixes - to say nothing of the symbols of the sacraments - are all things that more "word oriented" Christian denominations have foregone. The Catholic Church, therefore, lends itself perfectly to the visual media of film and television. You can be sure that any movie about the Second Coming or Satan or demonic possession or, for that matter, any sort of irruption of the transcendent into everyday life, will choose the Catholic Church as its venue.Benjiboi

review mass deletions by Mamaljulo (sp?) and restore as appropriate if no one else has. Benjiboi

Media Matters refs all have sources listed, source originals as well. Benjiboi

"Chicken and Bulls" Extortion Scam

See this. Seems worthy of an article but loads of research, possibly userfy and build. Benjiboi

Compare to current and clean-off what is used already. Benjiboi

Maybe you can do something with this. I looked at it and tried to figure out how to incorporate it but it was too confusing for me. Of note is that the line is manufactured by American Apparel. ALLSTARecho

Gold mine! I'm digging through a bio right now but we'll deal with that soonly. Benjiboi

Gays and YouTube

Benjiboi Benjiboi

Closeted homophobe or severely misunderstood?

  • this one sums his homosexuality as open secret
  • this editorial in ScotsGay - "Nevertheless, Outrage has been far too kind to those gay clerics and MPs like Kilfedder who have used their power to oppress us." (ties in age of consent campaign)

refs and EL's deleted; research and restore article in case of notability strike. Benjiboi

and again here. Benjiboi

ref help on Swish (slang)

convert Harvards into cite. Benjiboi

here Benjiboi

There's an interview on there somewhere as well. Benjiboi

New Crocker

article. Banjiboi

I though this existed already. build one. Banjiboi

Yikes, what a mess. Do a proper read and sort out sections. Banjeboi

  • Early life
  • Move to London
  • Career
    • Club kids, three queens?
    • Fashion designer
    • Club promoter
    • Modeling
    • Minty
  • Taboo musical

Also need section, maybe in London part, about lover/roomate. Banjeboi

work up fair use for photo of Leigh & Trogan

former lovers, roomates, collaborators, etc Banjeboi

possible image here. Banjeboi

Possible ref for transgender history in the Polk

The original queer district: A brief history of the Polk's queer cred by J. PLASTER; August 29, 2007 Bay Guardian]. Banjeboi

start BLP? Banjeboi

convert bibliography to cites and then clean-up all the refs to cite format. Banjeboi

PU from here.

and now from here.

and now from here Banjeboi

Also:

  • Google scholar
  • Previous AfD may also have some items

sources

the trans connection

A twink's guide to dressing a daddy

a Circuit (film) connection

popular London twink-haven G.A.Y.

104 stories to filter through

18 articles to filter through

twink porn

rolling stone mention

Bel Ami as specialist

Brent Corrigan twink deets and overview

56 here to sort through

About 12-15 refs needed to address OR concerns. Banjeboi

Jesse Helms - Socio-political views (section notes)

  • Morality
    • Racial equality
      • Blacks
      • Latins
    • homosexuality/LGBT rights
    • AIDS
    • abortion
    • National Endowment for the Arts
  • Communism
    • Pinochet in Chile
    • Castro in Cuba
    • Marcos in the Philippines
    • Nicaragua
  • "Senator No"
  • Foreign Policy
    • United Nations
    • International trade/protectionism
    • Test ban treaty
    • International criminal courts
  • Taxes
    • textiles
    • tobacco
    • Agriculture bill

Add infobox, image and start cleaning up. Banjeboi

add infobox. Banjeboi

Deep in Vogue, a song released by Malcolm McLaren one year before the documentary film by Jennie Livingston Paris Is Burning. Madonna's "Vogue" came one year later, bringing this subculture to the mainstream audience, but it was far from the real thing.

research this. Banjeboi

Start Adelante

[5] content dropped, I think, from this large edit, re-add infoboxes and other material as appropriate. Banjeboi

source and gravestone image

story has been in film [6] Banjeboi

build stub. and hatnote for diffa. Banjeboi

transgendered --> trangender

All WP (portals, categories, etc. ) done except 100-250 links in articles. Start here. Banjeboi

update link [7] Banjeboi

more items to be reffed. Banjeboi

new source

daily voice w/Keith Boykin as editor. Banjeboi

add infobox. Banjeboi

add logo. Banjeboi

add infobox. Banjeboi

clean-up in aisle three. Banjeboi

add archive and clean. Banjeboi

add archive and clean. Banjeboi

clean up talk, add auto-archiving. Banjeboi

add auto-archiving and clean. Banjeboi

Clean, also clean hatnotes to S&M disamb. Banjeboi

add archive and clean. Banjeboi

GA quest - look at rewrites, barnstars and DYKs for possible GA candidates

semi-protected articles have to wait until protection and vandalism ebbs. -- Banjeboi

create article, part of the House - see Willi Ninja. -- Banjeboi

clean up. -- Banjeboi

Research and write Andrew Furco. -- Banjeboi

adding fair use and insert on leather subculture and Castro clone. -- Banjeboi

Add infobox. -- Banjeboi

Duly noted

This could possibly be helpful toward explaining on-wiki trans and homo -phobias. -- Banjeboi

worth a read. -- Banjeboi

review edits on Judicial system of Iran. -- Banjeboi

create. -- Banjeboi

Nom for GA. -- Banjeboi

Nom for GA. -- Banjeboi

recreate stealth and DYK. -- Banjeboi

Images help

add to rescued list?

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precambrian rabbit. -- Banjeboi

Must build. -- Banjeboi

another source that you might not think of

Christian Science monitor - seems conservative but in-depth. -- Banjeboi

Create DYK stubby. -- Banjeboi

clean, ref, rescue, blah blah blah. -- Banjeboi

DRV Rolando_Gomez overturned

FYI, you voted to either re-list or overturn this article [8] after a 2nd AfD deletion. Unfortunately the article now, is incomplete with sources from the state when it was set for a 2nd AfD, many source links, found on this page, [9] are now deleted. This is unfair and perhaps you can help get this straight and give Wikipedia a better name for what it once stood for. --74.223.216.130 (talk) 05:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's quite a mess. The article is written rather puffery but with a bit of work will be fine. -- Banjeboi 02:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And then deleted

Apparently it was deleted, funny, Kuru placed this copy, [10] in Miranda's box, but it appears she's been absent for unexplainable reasons, perhaps family matters. She had said she'd work on it in the deletion review. Kuru also stated in the 2nd AfD that he would help out. Do the rules on Wikipedia allow it to be relisted under the deletion review process as the deletion talk now states, "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review)." There is no "talk page" as it's been deleted with the article and no explanation was given as to why it was deleted. Thanks. --72.191.15.133 (talk) 03:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a "userfied" version at User:Miranda/Gomez. The best thing to do is first look at other well-written and encyclopedic articles about people and see how the writing flows and generally how it is dry and avoids a lot of lauditory language. X's work has appeared in both national and international publications is better, usually, than a puffy list of each media. See what other articles successfully do and then add sourced content to build on that. After it's been worked on a few weeks then relaunch the article with Miranda's help. -- Banjeboi 03:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, will take your advice. I might add, don't understand how admins on Wiki spend so much time with deletion reviews, AfD's when they could save everyone trouble and fix it, as most admins started out as editors. They all see it right there and rather sit and wait for the delete button. Oh well, may still take it to another deletion review. Thanks. --72.191.15.133 (talk) 04:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. FWIW. I think it was a clear no-consensus but frankly it's smarter to just rewrite and relaunch then to spend time arguing who's right or wrong - the end goal is a good article so just do that. -- Banjeboi 04:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's sad and it affirms what I was reading in Delta Airlines in-flight magazine the other day about Wiki not being credible anymore. I've seen so much slamming Wiki, as with things like barnstars and earning your way to the top has created a bureaucracy instead of a living encyclopedia. Many folks "compete" by deleting here. I don't have the time nor conflict issues that will be assessed if I help. I just give up and let them win, it's sad, but true, they won. Though I'll give them a little hell, [11] as they are the ones that will have sleep with their own poor decisions. Time for a drink! Thanks! Hope to meet you someday as you're one great person with sense on this site. All the best! --72.191.15.133 (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then For Review Again - DRV2

I had nothing to do with the request for another deletion review, but thought you should know, [12] This time, I'm going to stay away from those with biased opinions, but will state my overturn entry belief. Thanks --72.191.15.133 (talk) 09:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, let me know if you have any questions or need help. -- Banjeboi 21:21, 11

December 2008 (UTC)

I said what I did, now I will stay away from it, but want you to see this though, as it has new information, [13] Thanks. --72.191.15.133 (talk) 09:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion Review of Memory Alpha

Hi, I saw your deletion review of Memory Alpha, and as a voter for delete, I had a few questions for you. I'm quite confused to the purpose and content of WP:NOCONSENSUS. As I understand it, if there is no consensus, when there are equally powerful arguments on both sides, on an XfD, the article is defaulted to keep. However, if, in the case of Memory Alpha, there is a flood of weaker arguments for keep, does this still count as a no consensus close? I'm really not trying to be pretentious here and I'm genuinely curious, as I have recently become quite confused by this policy in more places than one. DARTH PANDAduel 06:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The weaker arguments - both for or against should be discounted but I'm not convinced that always happens. AfD is a rather abused process that at its core is asking is the subject notable enough to warrant an entry on Wikipedia and even in an article's present state is the project worse off for keeping it. That is, even if it's notable, is it in such a poor state that it brings the project into disrepute. In many cases we are in a middling area where regular editing can address all concerns. Whether that regular editing occurs or not is a related issue but the original concept is tied to can it be improved - what the article can be rather than what it is currently. We are always improving all articles - some quite slowly - but improving regardless. Wikipedia:NOCONSENSUS#Deletion Discussions seems to be accurate - if there is no consensus it defaults to keep. I think this is tied to a core principle that we are here to build articles not dismantle them. I've rescued quite a few articles like fingerboard (skateboard) that I knew little of and have absolutely no interest but the article was a mess and now it's encyclopedic - give or take recent edits. No consensus keep helps us 1. encourage readers and newer editors to improve content rather than eliminating an article altogether and 2. is a part of checks and balances to keep us from making somewhat fatal mistakes. Articles once deleted are nearly impossible for the vast majority of our readers (the people we're here to serve) and editors to ever see again. It's preferable to simply improve articles and encourage all users to add sources with content. It's also a skill and takes time and is a process to build.
All that aside ... AfD closure is also subject to one person - the closer - usually an admin in non-clear closures. This editor is given a portion of trust and many times will either keep or delete based on their general inclusionistic or deletionistic views. It takes folks like us to step up and voice our concern if we disagree strongly enough to go through - yet another - process. If an editor is using poor judgment on many AfD closures they will eventually be tasked to account for their actions but really, poor closures are only overturned when someone else makes a bit of a stink and commits to follow through. -- Banjeboi 22:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Help me out?

Since we've worked on an article or two, would you be kind enough to help me archive Talk:2001 anthrax attacks? I see there are a couple of ways to do it and am not "bold" enough to archive.--MartinezMD (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Banjeboi 22:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
thank you very much. --MartinezMD (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're quite welcome - hope it helps the article improve. -- Banjeboi 00:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know you probably know this, but the IP self-identified as Roland elsewhere and there's a diff for it (on that page). I do think that's a notable fact. If you're interested, i've spent a lot of time on the actual article today, you're welcome to take a look (if i were as much of a meanie as he says i am it would be a 3 sentence stub by now). No need to reply. We're all busy.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter that much to me if they are or are not. The only thing that does matter is valid content and remaining civil. If they are acting up let them run free and get themselves banned - otherwise we enable their poor behaviour. Even COI editors can be good editors on other articles and arguably their own. IMHO you were stopping down to their level which begat more trolling, it's an easy trap to step into. -- Banjeboi 03:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wait to edit anti-prop8 protests, please?

I'm trying to make a big cleanup to the refs on that page- can you wait 10-15 minutes before adding refs? I'm having to manually copy them to my new version. Thanks! The edit will say something about "titles for all the articles". tedder (talk) 04:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm done. Thanks and/or never mind :-) tedder (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Benjiboi,

I have reverted your edits again at People with AIDS. The article is about an organisation called PWA, not about people living with AIDS in general. You are certainly welcome to create an article about the acronym and link to it via disambiguation. In fact, I encourage you to do so.

I would also appreciate if you could clarify your relationship with the IP editor who continually adds linkspam to this and many other AIDS- and HIV-related articles.

Thank you, Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 18:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who that editor is so I don't know what our relationship would be - I suppose collaborators since that's why we are all here. And I appreciate your effort to fight vandalism but my edits there were spot on. PWA is not an organization but rather an initialism started by ... people with AIDS. As the article states it was a part of the initial stages to reclaim what was a terrifying disease and the people who were living with and too often dying from it. AIDS was initially was called GRID and people with AIDS were almost universally called AIDS victims - PWAs and teh PWA movement helped change that and add humanity to a disease that was allowed to manifest into a worldwide pandemic mainly due to homophobia. I'll refix the article now and look into the disambiguation issues. -- Banjeboi 21:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your activism against homophobia, but please keep in mind that this particular article is indeed about the organisation called PWA, not about PWA in general. That is why I encourage you to establish a separate article on what the initialism refers to in general. Thank you, Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I should write, "organisations" since it appears that numerous chapters or even separate organisations exist/ed. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 22:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With respect you are mistaken, PWA has always been and nearly universally is about people with AIDS - not an organization or multiple organizations. PWAs employed PWA in the names of organizations created by and for them but, sadly, because the very membership and leadership was made up of people with compromised health - often severely - many of those organization also died away. There were likely dozens of PWA ____ organizations but the article is basically correct in that it started with a few outspoken activists in both San Francisco and New York City. I wasn't looking to do an overhaul on the article but the lede could simply be flipped to stress this. -- Banjeboi 23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings!

For the record, your box at the top of the page about the topic ban doesn't seem up to date, and the random picture of the Greek vase has been deleted. It's too bad you don't have a Babel-Box with de-3 or de-4...I would have liked to have recruited you for the German Wikipedia's article rescue squad--things get deleted a lot over there (but not as much as they used to back in 2006 or so). Anyway, thanks for your praise of my re-write--was wondering if there were much personal info about you to be found here, but there doesn't seem to be.--Bhuck (talk) 18:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the topic ban has been a major source of stress but Jimmy said he'd look into it so await his response. There is a current Arbcom election so i may have to wait until there is some new energy to address the situation. I may also have to wage a campaign to get "permanent topic bans relooked into" - who knows.
The image should be replaced but I haven't had the energy to deal with it.
I've been wikistalked and attacked in real life so I try to be careful about what information I reveal. -- Banjeboi 21:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Vos, Sarah (10 June 2007, page 13). "Barker says O'Donnell could replace him". Associated Press. Retrieved 2008-06-16. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
  2. ^ Swartz, Jacqueline (1999) "Professor in drag" in Ivory Tower from Salon.com. Retrieved on 2007-10-09.