Talk:Bill Clinton

Suggested changes to article- inclusion of Rwandan genocide and other editing

After reading the article, I have some suggestions for its editing. I have not made these changes but would like some opinions-

1/ The subsection of 'legislative agenda' is only given under the first term (1993- 1997) and not the second (1997- 2001). For balance of presentation it might be useful to have this as a subheading to the second term. For example, the Iraq Liberation Act is described under 'military and foreign events' when his might be better shown under 'legislative agenda'.

2/ The subsection 'military and foreign events' is only given under the second term of the presidency and not the first. I think this subsection could also be mirrored under the first term for balance of presentation and to clarify notable military and foreign events during this time. At the moment, Gothic Serpent (1993) is mentioned under the second term, not the first, so is incorrectly placed.

3/ The Rwandan genocide (1993) is not mentioned or linked to anywhere in the article. I think the article should include this, given the significance of the event itself as a foreign policy concern of the US and UN at the time, the enduring controversy since, and president Clinton's own remarks of apology and visit to Rwanda. This could be written under military and foreign events of the first term.

4/ Redirections to main articles could be given for the US/NATO campaign in Bosnia and Camp David Summit as these are only summarised.Dss2mtm (talk) 06:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

5/ I am concerned that the section entitled "Attempted capture of Osama Bin Laden" does not accurately represent the intense controversy regarding this issue. There is no final historical consensus about the nature of these incidents, though the 9/11 Commission rejects the Sudanese claims of having made an offer to Clinton to turn over Bin Laden. Elfatih Erwa, the Sudanese Defense Minister at the time, claims to have made such an offer. The Clinton administration, including then-Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clark, deny this. Much of the controversy seems to stem from a secret meeting between Erwa and CIA agents in Virginia. I encourage the authors of this article to detail the nature of the ambiguities regarding these incidents so as not to give the impression of factual clarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.54.213 (talk • contribs)

6/ 5/ The TED prize of 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TED_(conference)#TED_Prize was awarded to him. I think it might merit some small mention.. After all, of thousands of intellectuals he was awarded the prize to further projects for humanity. Cs302b (talk) 08:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Comma splice in opening paragraph

The comma after "third-youngest president" should be a semicolon. I'd fix it myself, but the article's protected. 131.216.103.242 (talk) 09:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it, thanks!  :-) Rebbing (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge

What do you think about a Family of Bill Clinton article, similar to that of Family of Barack Obama? His family is not independently notable, but enough information exists to make a decent one. Thoughts? See Roger Clinton, Sr. and Virginia Clinton Kelley as possible redirects into new article.--TM 17:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I think we should keep a separate article. --Pgecaj (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Social Security

Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that the only reason he had a "balanced" budget is that he borrowed from social security? Right now that article introducotry paragraph seems POV in his favor. Many believe that his programs offered short-term relief. My only source for this is one of my professors at school, but I'm someone's published it somewhere. Emperor001 (talk) 22:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Troopergate

"The troopers were discovered to have been paid for their stories." This sentence seems irrelevant to the topic and somewhat leading the reader to the conclusion that the story itself was false. Certainly the word "discovered" in this context is pov (synonymous with "caught"),I think. Mr.grantevans2 (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Berger

The name Berger appears only once in the article, on the Osama bin Laden section: "coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S.". There's no explanation about who berger is. How about adding "U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger..."? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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The miracle of Wikipedia: everyone has something to contribute. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sexual remarks to Claire Sweeney

The UK news agencies are reporting that President Clinton was sexually forward to Claire Sweeney. The former Brookside star who played Roxy in Chicago was approached by him in Russia and he made reference to his "middle leg". This is big big news, and a real scandal in the United Kingdom. Can this be added to the Bill article? see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1168987/You-dirty-dog-What-Claire-Sweeney-U-S-President-Bill-Clintons-chat-lines.html ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.12.212 (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it either "big big news" or "a real scandal" outside such places as the "TV & Showbiz" section of a tabloid? As far as I can see, it's in neither the Guardian nor the Torygraph. -- Hoary (talk) 14:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The discussion at WP:RS/N concluded that it was so-so at best. You might want to try and find a second source before going too far. Padillah (talk) 15:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

She told the story herself on Channel 5 talk show. It was reported by Sky News, Loose Women, This Morning, BBC Northern Ireland, Radio Humberside, The Staffordshire Post. What else is needed? This is a major newsstory. Clinton was married when he made those comments! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.12.212 (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

You say that this is "big big news". Big big news makes it to real newspapers. Guardian, Independent, Times, Telegraph, Financial Times -- which of them writes it up, and where? (Or this perhaps little little news?) -- Hoary (talk) 16:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Obviously not going to be in the FT! Claire Sweeny is a major British star, appearing in Brookside and Chicago to name a few. How dare Clinton make sexual advances to a British household name in this way, and why cover it up? It is all over the papers here and everybody is talking about it. I was talking to my friend Michelle a few hours ago and my sister even txt'd me about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.12.212 (talk) 16:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If it's all over the papers, then provide a link to an article in one of those papers that's actually credible. And then some day it may make it to this Wikipedia article (which doesn't purport to be a newspaper article). In the meantime of course you're welcome to keep right on talking about it with your friends. Hoary (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Honors and accolades

Under this heading it states "From a poll conducted of the American people in December 1999, Clinton was among eighteen included in Gallup's List of Widely Admired People of the 20th century." However, if the associated link is followed to the actual list of the 18 people, Clinton is absent. Therefore, either the article showing the list is incorrect or the reference to it is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.216.93.2 (talk) 21:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Update

This page needs to be updated, as January 1, 2009 has already past, and he has already been inducted as chairman of the National Constitution Center. 76.90.40.185 (talk) 03:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Disbarment

Clinton was actually disbarred by the supreme court. The main page is not clear on this fact.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/clinton-disbarred-by-supreme-court-629920.html Aane0007 (talk) 16:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Cosmetic changes

There is a bot, User:MauritsBot running around making unhelpful "cosmetic changes", such as putting a space around headings next to the = sign, changing Image: to File:, etc. It is running a script called cosmetic changes.py[1] but I am not sure who to contact to get the script edited. The script contains the warning, "ATTENTION: You can run this script as a stand-alone for testing purposes. However, the changes are that are made are only minor, and other users might get angry if you fill the version histories and watchlists with such irrelevant changes." It might add, users might also get annoyed with nonsense changes being made. 199.125.109.77 (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)