Talk:Infogrames

Why Infogrames?

Why is it called "Infogrames" Why not -games, since they make games? It's always bothered me. Anyone know?

And lo, an answer was added to the article. Behold the power of Wikipedia! (Short answer? They're French.) — Catherine\^talk 00:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Satisfaction... has been received. Thankyou.

More meaningful info

I have taken this out. It's nonsense. It would be a lot better if you improved the article in a meaningful way - perhaps you could add something about the history of the company. As it stands the article describes the company's founding, and it tells us how to pronounce its name. But there is almost nothing about what the company did after 1983. How many games did it release? Were any of them famous? How did it go from obscurity to being one of the world's largest producers of computer games? Why did it adopt the Atari name? Where did they get the money from? How is the company thought of in France? 85.210.184.79 15:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Atari name change

Added more info on the Atari name change, I just grabbed the sentence from the Atari wiki. Page could do with some more info and a bit of a clean-up.--BrotherEstapol 15:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

A few questions

Does Infogrames still have that Armadillo logo? Yes, they do. If you go to Infogrames.com, it is on top of their page.

Firstly I see in the opening sentence that "Infogrames Entertainment SA (IESA) was an international holding company", why the was? doesn't Infogrames still exist?

AFAICT, you're correct -- Infogrames has renamed all their subsidiaries Atari, but the corporate parent still retains the Infogrames name. So I believe this edit was mistaken, and I'm putting it back now. Without that was in the first sentence, the article seems to be consistent on this. -- jhf 15:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Anyway secondly, if you look at allot of their recent games, the company calls itself "Infogrames Interactive", in this article it's being called "Infogrames Entertainment" and it used to appear on games as just "Infogrames", so what is the explanation or the significance of the apparently changing name(s)? --Hibernian 07:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Zboub

The founders wanted to christen the company Zboub Système.

Just for info: Zboub means dicks in Moroccan Arabic... If someone wants to make sure that the statement is correct... Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me! • O))))} 16:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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Atari Inc

IMO those are the issues:

The Infogrames web site says repeatedly that Infogrames Entertaiment SA is a holding company acting as a parent company to Atari Group. And Atari Inc is not an entity is a a Nasdaq listed company http://corporate.infogrames.com/infogramesgb/2007/04/atari.php http://corporate.infogrames.com/MT-3.34-en/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/DOCDEREF05_06GB.pdf page 9 The infogrames web site doesn't mention, Atari interactive or changes in the ownership of Atari.

The Atari article that says that Atari Interactive is now owner of Atai Group is unsourced. I am not trying to create trouble, I am simply copying documents I find on Google, so if a better souce is found I have no problems in erasing what I've just wrote.

Atari Group is a recently created group as mentioned, your text made it seemed like it was created in 2003. Atari Inc. is a separate corporate entity that is majority owned by Infogrames, as also stated here. Here's a specific source that talks about Atari Inc. and how they license their name and properties from Atari Interactive, and another, and this one. Here's another SEC filing that lists the two separate Atari corporate entities (Atari Inc. and Atari Interactive), and this one that reports a licensing deal brokered between the two by their parent (Infogrames), as well as naming Atari Interactive's CEO at the time Frederic Chesnais. There's this page for Neverwinter nights that lists other members of Atari Interactive, Inc., and this page that talks about the history of Atari Interactive, Inc. And lastly, here's the initial filing in 2003 for setting up of the two separate entities and their stated relationship to each other and Infogrames. --Marty Goldberg 05:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

WOW! Fantastic!! That's a wealth of information and sources. You have no idea how much I googled for information pertaining Infogrames, it will take a while for me to digest the information but still, the links will be very useful. I need to google no more :)

Why didn't you use the links??? EconomistBR 05:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Because if you notice my profile, I'm game programmer currently on contract to Atari Inc. So I'm a bit busy to start looking stuff up like this normally. ;) --Marty Goldberg 05:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Infogrames' logo is a fictional armadillo

I also thought about reverting the edit, but his edit is correct. Infogrames' logo is a fictional armadillo, that's a fact, I checked on Google.

IMO including Infogrames on the category: Fictional Armadillo is silly and quite dumb, but we must never allow ourselves to judge the merit of information.

Therefore the category: Fictional armadillo should stay, because it's not our job to judge the worth of information. EconomistBR 03:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems silly to me too, but...ya never know, there might be armadillo aficionados out there who might want to look up references to armadillos in popular culture. Isn't there a comic book out there with an armadillo as thje main character? and who knows what else..... Disney character? its the mascot of at least one university i think....

Alienburrito (talk) 03:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Why the nanem change from Infogrammes to IESA in the article

In the "1996-2002 Growth Through Acquisition" section, sudeenly the references switch from Infogrammes to IESA. WHy? That needs to be explained. Did the company change their name? Get bought out by someone? buy a bunch of companies and reorganize them under a shell holding company? did one of the article authors just mess up?

Alienburrito (talk) 03:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you're talking about, its explained in the very first paragraph. The full name of the company is Infogrames Entertainment SA, IESA for short (which is what they use as well). IESA is the proper abbreviation, "Infogrames" by itself is just slang. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 03:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Marty Goldberg, he is absolutely correct.⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 03:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

IESA Name Change To Occur

Just a heads up, Gardner's talking about changing IESA to an Atari name now as well. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Which has now happened. Sslaxx (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, as of today literally. Though we don't know what the actual full corporate name will be yet (since Atari Inc. is already the name of the US subsidiary). --Marty Goldberg (talk) 20:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Could well just be Atari Entertainment SA? 83.104.34.212 (talk) 12:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

It may also be that, if they sell Atari Europe, Atari Inc might become the parent company? Sslaxx (talk) 13:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

That's just it though. We won't know until some kind of official name is formally released. When that happens we can tackle this. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

http://corporate.atari.com/MT-3.34-en/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/052909PR_FY09_earnings_GB_FINAL.pdf seems to indicate that the corporate name might simply be 'Atari' - though under the "CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT TEAM" section there is a reference to Atari Comex. Sslaxx (talk) 11:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

http://corporate.atari.com/MT-3.34-en/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/D2-072409PR_FY09_1Q_revenues_GB_FINAL.pdf - this suggests Atari S.A. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sslaxx (talk • contribs) 09:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

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Atari SA: New entry or modify this one?

As IESA is now known as Atari SA, should we keep this entry and start a new one for the new Atari? Modify the existing Atari entry? Or edit this one to reflect the change in name? Sslaxx (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

We can't do anything yet until it's confirmed 100%. The two other things you mentioned above give two different "suggestions". When a name is confirmed, we would leave this article and change the box to a defunct status (since there will be no more Infogrames), and create another article based on the confirmed name. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The fact that those are official company documents listing the name as Atari SA seems to be sufficient evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sslaxx (talk • contribs) 19:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

No, it is simply one of several documents with various "Atari" names. Even this one states Atari SA but then later gives it's definition as Atari Group, and the previous official document gives Atari Comex. The legal notices of the website also gives several different names including Infogrames, Atari Group and Atari. This needs to be cleared up before any major changes are done. I'm doing some contract work for the American division (Atari Inc.), let me see if I can find out through them what the final settled on name is and post the result here. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Inforgames is officially Atari Group. From their company overview page (corperate.atari.com) "Atari (ex-Infogrames Entertainement) is listed on the Euronext market, compartment C (ISIN code: FR0010478248, ticker: ATA)". They have removed or renamed all refernces to Inforgrames. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.44.235 (talk) 19:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not true. If you go to the actual page (http://corporate.atari.com/) it forwards you to http://corporate.atari.com/infogramesgb/, which has infogrames and Atari on it. And the Atari Group page isan older name from several years ago when they were managing the several different Sub-Atari's via it. I'm checking with Atari Inc. legal to see if I can find out anything it. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

http://corporate.atari.com/ and http://corporate.atari.com/infogramesgb/ are the exact same page, except from the language. And I cannot see any Infogrames logo out there. 84.100.210.236 (talk) 13:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Nobody is stating anything about logos - as stated both Infogrames and Atari are still being used across that pages and the pages. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

IMO the big issue is not whether Infogrames has already rebranded itself, the big issue is what to do about it? The options:

1. Move Infogrames to Atari GB(?)
2. Change the Infogrames article to indicate that is has been succeded by Atari GB.
3. Do nothing and for now simply state that Infogrames has rebranded itself as Atari.

I found this link and this link that are useful. This 1UP link includes remarks from Atari's CEO. [1]

EconomistBR 21:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

GB isn't part of the name, that's just the web directory for Eng vs. French (i.e. GB for Great Britain or English). Those news articles are also old, the more recent stuff included press releases and financial statements is further up this thread. As far as what to do, option three is out until again we verify what the actual atari corporate name is that they've rebranded themselves as, and the front runner appears to be Atari SA. Option 1 isn't normally what's done in these situations, usually option 2 is - and is the option that causes the least confusion for general readers who don't know about the path of changes and come here looking for Infogrames. You basically change Infogrames to a defunct company (since the actual legal corporation will no longer exist) and add info about the corporate name change after the Financial Difficulties section, that includes a Wikilink to the new corporate entity - probably just a section entitled Name Change. For discussion sake, assuming it's going to be Atari SA, we create a page entitled that with the current info and a brief section on the name change that includes a "Main article" tag pointing them to Infogrames. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, the defunct company proposal is good. I am glad we've cleared this issue out this quickly.

Although there is a growing body of evidence indicating that the rebranding has already happened I admit that I see no harm in waiting one month or more before the change is made. EconomistBR 15:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)