Talk:Olympic Games

September 11 Attacks Edits

I do not think that the September 11 attacks have any relevance to this article. I have noticed these edits come into the article before both in the "Violence" and the "Opening" headings. If you can provide a reasonable and cogent rationale for the applicability of these edits to this article then I welcome them. Please discuss the issue here though, rather than with unsupported and speculative edits in the article. These are my reasons for not including it in this article: If we are going to discuss the increase security spending we will have to cite how much the increase was. We will also have to not speculate that the Olympics can be subject to terrorist attacks, and instead insert language that is concrete and factual. This information is in other articles, 2002 Winter Olympics for example. The context of the Violence section is about violence that has occurred at the Olympics, not would could potentially occur due to a terrorist attack that did not happen at the Olympics. I am eager to hear reasoning for including these edits in this article. I am also eager to hear from other editors as to their opinions regarding the addition of this subject matter. H1nkles (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I second your thoughts, its not relevant here unless sources are provided giving actual figures for the increases in security measures. I removed the edits once but they were replaced, hence my tagging them to draw the attention of some of the issues with the paragraph. Basement12 (T.C) 12:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Modern Olympics

The Modern Olympics are held every four years and are always in a destination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.61.191 (talk) 19:31, 3 October 2008 Edit by: Wolfbane007 (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)(UTC)

Request for Peer Review comments

Comments copied from the WP:WikiProject Olympics talk page.

• Overall it is very good. It is well-referenced, though for an article of this length there could definitely be more.
• Rostrum needs to be disambiguated or replaced.

• Done

• I have already made some edits correcting phrasing, punctuation, and other details. A dash is not the same as a hyphen so &ndash does not need to be used for a hyphen, and &nbsp is not needed in every instance of a number (WP:MOS).
• The information about hockey and figure skating previously being in the summer olympics is repeated in the Sports section.

• Done

• I also suggest that you clear out some of the excess external links.

• Done H1nkles (talk) 04:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• Some more individual statements could use references, although it is overall very well referenced, and you have done a very good job using summary style. You may want to take the article to WP:PR as well. Thanks for your great work and good luck at FAC! Reywas92^Talk 23:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for your review. The hard dash/hyphon issue has been confusing for me, I appreciate you clearing some of that up. I will look into removing duplicative information and clearing out some superfluous external links. Thanks again!!! H1nkles (talk) 17:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

End of the Ancient Games

I didn't want to add too much to this article, but re:

In 393 AD Emperor Theodosius I, who re-asserted Christianity as the official religiion of the Empire, banned all pagan observances, of which the Games were one of the most important in Greece. After over 1000 years in existence, the Olympic Games were banned due to their roots in paganism

...could have had a phrase, "who re-asserted Christianity, which had been adopted as the Empire's official religion by Constantine I, after an attempted pagan revival by the Emperor Julian....". Another maybe more pertinent addition might be "Olympia itself was buried by a flood in the 8th Century" (7th?) after the earthquake of such-and-so a year had collapse many of its temples, including the Great Temple of Zeus. But this isn't the Ancient Games article, I just wanted to make sure it's worded right for now....Skookum1 (talk) 14:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for your contribution. I have tried to keep this article as summary in nature as possible, relying on the main article links to provide more detail should the reader wish to pursue it. I think leaving out the earthquake and the references to Constantine/Julian are appropriate. Those subjects delve deeper than I feel is necessary for this particular article. They certainly would have more place in the Ancient Olympics article. H1nkles (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Protection???

What do you think about semi-protecting this article again? Check the history, ever since it has been unprotected it has been hit with vandalism. I'm seeing 5 and 6 reverts a day, which is bad. In trying to prep this article for FAC it doesn't look good for stability to have all these reverts. Please consider protecting the article again. Any body else have a comment on this? H1nkles (talk) 23:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Having it protected wouldn't be a bad idea, its an obvious and common target for vandalism so a request at WP:RFP would be a sensible thing to do. Basement12 (T.C) 11:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, will do, I didn't know where to go for that. H1nkles (talk) 15:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Audio File

The audio file has the modern greek pronunciation of the word "Ολυμπιακοί Αγώνες" which I think is irrelevant since it reffers to the ancient games so ancient greek should be used. Thanks --Egmontaz (talk) 00:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Continued FAC review

• "The allegations also served to sour many IOC members to Sion's bid and in fact may have helped Turin to capture the host city nomination." Bid of wordiness there. Considering that this is a featured article candidate, I sure hope that we're dealing with facts.
• Symbols: "Once arrived at the Olympic stadium" is a grammar issue.
• Opening: According to the Manual of Style, unspaced em dashes shouldn't be used. The last paragraph of the section has a pair of them. These also need fixing in Boycotts.
• Remove comma after "several doves were burned alive in the flaming cauldron".
• Medal presentation: "with the gold medalist ascending to the central and highest platform" is another noun plus -ing.
• Amateurism and professionalism: Change semi-colon after "further eroded the ideology of the pure amateur" to a comma?
• "the only sports in which no professionals compete is boxing". Make "sports" singular, because there is only one. Also, change 3 to three in the section's last sentence; numbers lower than 10 are usually supposed to be spelled out.
• Boycotts: "due to the "All Blacks" having toured apartheid-ruled South Africa." To provide context for our readers, this should state who the All Blacks are (a rugby team).
• Politics: "between its athletes and athletes from Israel." There's some close repetition of "athletes". I think that one should be changed.

Not quite finished yet, but I'm getting there. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

• All of the above items are now corrected. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

One more round:

• Comma after "white Zimbabwean swimmer".
• Champions and medalists: Awkward wording: "at the 1896 Olympics only the first two received a medal, silver and bronze." Needs work on the transition after the comma.
• "Since the IOC no longer recognizes these games as official Olympic games". Remove the first games, and capitalize the second.
• Host cities: "which the IOC no longer considers official Olympic Games." Add "an" before Olympic.
• "Equestrian events held in China's Hong Kong SAR." Add "were" before held, like in the other similar note.
• Something is wrong with the full Olympic Charter reference. It says it was retrieved in 1997. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

• Everything suggested above has been changed. Thank you Giants2008 for your thorough review! H1nkles (talk) 15:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Olympic Games Host Cities table status

I'm going through and making edits based on an FAC review. One of the suggestions was to remove the host cities table and add maps. I've added the maps but they are images and aren't very clear unless you click on them. What do you think about removing the host city tables? The reviewer suggested replacing them with a prose summary. Since there is a list of host cities it may not be necessary to duplicate it here. But it is a very nice table and I'd hate to remove it based on one person's opinion without some discussion. Anyone have a thought on this? H1nkles (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Master article back on top

Nice! Congratulations to all who helped this important article achieve the state of development it required to get back into the featured gallery. A special thanks to H1nkles who undertook this humongous task of nominating and replying to every major and minor reviewing concern. This page must be kept current as possible and I believe there's always something else to be improved. Parutakupiu (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I must echo this statement and thank you for the consideration. There were many who helped with peer reviews and responses to suggestions when I was either unavailable or frustrated. Since it is such a time-oriented article there will always be more to say and update. Thank you again. H1nkles (talk) 03:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Pretty awesome collaborative work here all. I still think improvements can be made but the article as it is nothing less than very good. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Calling All Athletics Fans!} 03:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, congratulations to all: especially H1nkles who did a terrific job shepherding the article through the FACs. This article has really deserved its bronze star back. henrik•talk 20:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

You haven't put anything about where the Olympics originally started ( which was Greece). As I thought that wikipedia would help me with my project on the greeks and I was researching the topic of the Olympics I decided to go on this site but know I have relised that I have wasted alot of time.With that time I could have spent on my project that is worth around half of my English score for my SATS. I will probably not come onto this site again as I have been on this site a couple of times and not found the main facts about things i have researched. So know I will probably go onto the BBC website as I find it is much easier to use and you actually get the infomation you are looking for!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.25.52 (talk) 17:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

If you happen to come back, check the "Ancient Olympics" section as well as the Ancient Olympics article. I think it pretty clearly spells out where the Games originated and some interesting history on the Ancient Games. Alternatively you could also add to this article or the Ancient Olympics article with information that you find at the BBC or any other credible source. That would help make the project more useful for others in the future. At any rate, happy hunting! H1nkles (talk) 20:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia ain't perfect... but these people thinking we have gigantic knowledge gaps on very basic subjects, like the Ancient Olympics, never cease to amaze me. At Talk:Football several people have chimed in not just complaining that they couldn't find the article on American football, but more or less solemnly believing that there is no such article. Maybe Wikipedia isn't as famous as we like to think it is...? (On the other hand, people like this don't seem to be in the habit of actually reading the articles they complain about, or even the lead sections of said articles.) —JAO • T • C 20:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Although that was pretty silly not to notice what is stated, I agree that we aren't as explicit as we should be. It mentions Olympia, Greece in the lead, but the Ancient Olympics section does not explicitly say where they were. It starts off with info about the mythical origin, but does not clearly explain where the original Olympic Stadium, etc. was. Reywas92^Talk 22:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes I noticed that as well after reading the anon's comments, one could infer from the context that the Ancient Games were in Greece but it isn't explicitly stated. Perhaps a simple sentence would suffice to clarify. H1nkles (talk) 23:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Section called 'Re-introduction'

"Re-introduction" is not an appropriate title for this section. It's not a word that is commonly used or used at all to describe this part of modern Olympic history.

Can I recommend the following title instead. "The Revival Continues" or something like this.

The Olympic Games sponsored by Zappas and that took place in Athens in 1859, 1870 and 1875 was a true revival with international competitors (from Greece and the Ottoman Empire and even Crete which was an independent country prior to 1913 only that it was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time). In my opinion the national Olympic Games organised by Dr Brookes and held at the Crystal Palace in 1866 is also a true revival. Both of these earlier stages of the revival of the Olympic Games in modern times were important steps leading to what happened in Athens in 1896 and cannot be ignored. Likewise any false claim that these were failed revivals is outrageous. Both revivals were incredible achievements at the time they were achieved.

To call what happened in 1896 a revival in itself or a "re-introduction" that is distinct from what happened earlier ignores the fact that this "re-introduction" as you've called it could not have happened without what happened before.

It is more honest to say something like "The Revival Continues" or "Continuation of the Revival" or "Enter the IOC" or something like that. This is like a relay race. Both Dr Brookes and Evangelis Zappas passed historic batons to Baron Pierre de Coubertin through Dr Brookes. Dr Brookes cross-fertilised the content of the programmes from 1859 incorporating Zappas' achievements. Dr Brookes contributed a prize at the 1859 Athens Games. Baron Pierre de Coubertin took Dr Brookes ideas and Zappas' Panathenian stadium and got a Greek IOC President (Dimitris Vikelas) and a Greek Olympic Committee to organise the Olympic Games of 1896. The Greek Olympic Committee incorporated Panagiotis Soutsos (another founder of the Olympic Games) ideas. The date that the 1896 Olympic Games started was a Soutsos idea that was accepted and implemented. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 02:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Calling what happened in 1896 a "Re-Introduction" or a separate "Revival" is not satisfactory. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Calling it a re-introduction when you are using the same stadium and the Zappeion (for the fencing events) is a fraud. Bearing in mind that the Panathenian stadium hosted international Olympic Games events in 1870, 1875, 1896, 1906 and 2004 and the Zappeion hosted the fencing of 1896 and was the first Olympic Village of 1906 (to the Hungarian team). It is a fraud to call it a re-introduction or to claim it is a separate revival, re-invigoration, re-establishment, re-whatnot. It's not a re-anything it is a follow on part of the revival of the Olympic Games in modern times. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Olympic flag photo

It seems to me that the olympic flag on the photograph in the Symbols section features a bluish ring instead of the green one. Am I just colourblind? Otherwise I would propose to replace the photo. Goodwisher (talk) 11:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Host city

There seems to be a lot of editing going on regarding the host cities, especially the one in 2016. I suggest protection or a reliable reference? --Scythre^Talk_Contribs 19:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, me too!--66.170.192.5 (talk) 23:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

1200 years of history mean the 1894 revival is less important than the ancient games!

Olympic Games should direct to a disambiguation page at worst, or directly to Ancient Olympic Games at best. The Coca-Cola festival of sport is less than 120 years old - how can this compare to 1200 years!93.96.148.42 (talk) 06:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Logo

I'm surprised there isn't an article or section about the Olympic Games logo and/pr hosting country logos... maybe someone should create one? LOctopus (talk) 23:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I wish, but they're all copyrighted. One of these Olympic articles at least used to have a link to a very nice page with all of them. Reywas92^Talk 23:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Original Olympic Nations

The 14 Original Olympic Nations

United States Of America Greece Germany France Great Britain Hungary Austria Australia Denmark Switzerland Slovenia Italy Sweden Chile —Preceding unsigned comment added by TG405 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Intersex contoversy?

Sould we add something about intersex people are not allowed to compete in the olympics, and if a person is found to be intersex after they won a medal the medal is taken from them? its quite controversal but the article does not mention anything about it 67.142.130.28 (talk) 01:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Typographic error

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Under the first section, "Ancient Olympics"

The first sentence, "The Ancient Olympic Games is a series of competitionss held between representatives of several city-states from Ancient Greece, which featured mainly athletic but also combat and chariot racing events." has a typographical error. "competitionss" should be corrected to "competitions". Anivisual (talk) 05:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done -Optigan13 (talk) 06:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)