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September 3

Category:Aiki Framework

Category:Aiki Framework - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single entry category with limited growth potential. Articles have ample categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Document Management System

Propose renaming Category:Document Management System to Category:Document management software
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This may be a better name and would match commons. However, we also need to consider renaming to Category:Document management systems to match the main article, Document management system. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Queer anarchism

Propose renaming Category:Queer anarchism to Category:Anarcho-queer
Nominator's rationale: per main article —Justin (koavf)TCM23:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gulf sports channels

Category:Gulf sports channels - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete or rename to Category:Persian Gulf sports channels, per Category:Persian Gulf music. I prefer deletion as I don't believe a category grouping sports channels by their proximity to a body of water is defining. Persian Gulf music, perhaps. Sports channels, I think not. If kept, it needs to be renamed as there is more than one gulf in the world. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:50, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mystery Science Theater 3000 films

Category:Mystery Science Theater 3000 films - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_2#Category:RiffTrax_films, this is not a defining characteristic. —Justin (koavf)TCM21:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the various discussions which have touched on this category (under the original name "MST3K movies") the notion has been floated that this category is warranted because unlike other similar categories (like RiffTrax and the other categories nominated yesterday) many of the films riffed by MST3K would not be notable were it not for their having been riffed. No real opinion on the validity of that argument. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep . More often than not, this is the defining characteristic of otherwise obscure films. Dimadick (talk) 07:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete per nomination. If your only way of justifying a category is that it is being a defining feature of the film then all categories of this nature should be taken down. Just because someone took the time to ad "This film was later featured on MST3K" to each article about a movie does not mean that it's a defining attribute. It's arguable that the films define MST3K and not the other way around. This category is only useful to people who watch MST3K and doesn't tell you anything about the actual film other then it is probably of poor quality and easy to make fun of -- which would be adequately illustrated with the category "B-Films" which already exists and many of these films are already a part of. DixieDellamorto (talk) 08:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per my rationale for the deletion for Rifftrax films category - unlike there, most films that fall into this category would only be notable and on WP because of their use by MST3K. I would suggest a rename, since the present name suggests that MST3K *made* the films (there's technically only one MST3K film and that's MST3K The Movie), maybe "Films featured on MST3K" or "MST3K-Featured Films". --MASEM (t) 10:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Masem. This is very often the only reason a film became notable. I also agree with renaming the category to something like Category:Films featured on MST3K. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment These films existed long before MST3K and they all had some level of appreciation before MST3K. The only people who think a film is more notable because of an appearance on MST3K is someone who watched the show or a fan of the show. The general public won't know what Manos Hands of Fate is -- there are A LOT of people who don't even know what MST3K is. (I know it's hard to believe) This Category is irrelevant to anyone who isn't a MST3K fan and doesn't contribute anything to these films and it's existence doesn't ad anything to the articles it's attached to.

Category:Chiranjeevins

Propose renaming Category:Chiranjeevins to Category:Chiranjivins
Nominator's rationale: Per main article —Justin (koavf)TCM21:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities and towns in Vaslui County

Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns in Vaslui County to Category:Localities in Vaslui County
Nominator's rationale: Basically per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_August_17#Category:Cities_in_Cluj_County; it's best that categories only encompass one subject, and rather than having a separate category for cities and towns, let's have one for "localities", putting cities and towns directly there, and communes as a subcategory. Biruitorul Talk 21:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't see how "Localities" is equivalent to "Cities and towns". To me, a "locality" is just any place - certainly including villages, which are not towns or cities and hence are not included in this category. So renaming the category in this way wouldn't make sense - you would have to rearrange the existing categories somehow.--Kotniski (talk) 07:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe there was ever a consensus to "dump" all these things together - just that when they are all dumped together, the category should be called "populated places..." rather than "settlements...". Here they are not all dumped together, so neither "settlements" or "populated places" or "localities" is the right term - at least, not for this category as presently consutrcted.--Kotniski (talk) 10:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • My original idea in creating these (and I'm considering expanding it to all of Romania's counties) was for cities and towns not to appear directly in the county category, but in a "geography" subcategory. (If you look at a city in another county, say Jibou, you'll see it appears directly in Category:Sălaj County.) "Localities" are cities, towns, communes and villages. (We don't really need to worry about villages, since we use redirects rather than separate articles for Romanian villages, except for a handful waiting to be merged.) Each county has dozens of communes but perhaps 5-15 cities and towns, so I figured it made sense to leave the latter in the more general "localities" category while keeping "communes" as a subcategory. Remember, at present most cities and town are in an even more general category, so this is an improvement in specificity.
  • If you gentlemen come up with another proposal, do keep in mind that it should apply to Category:Localities in Cluj County and Category:Localities in Dolj County as well. - Biruitorul Talk 14:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages with Disambiguator's Barnstar

Category:Pages with Disambiguator's Barnstar - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Trivial categorization. There's no reason to categorize pages by what type of barnstar a user has received. See also: nomination directly below. — ξxplicit 19:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages with Portal Barnstar

Category:Pages with Portal Barnstar - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Trivial categorization. There's no reason to categorize pages by what type of barnstar a user has received. See similar discussion concerning Category:Pages with Entrepreneur's Barnstar. — ξxplicit 19:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I only created the category because other barnstars have done the same. I was following what I assumed was established convention. —Bill Price (nyb) 22:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scheduled spaceflights

Category:Scheduled spaceflights - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: This category has been moved, and had its scope changed, so many times that its original purpose has been lost. Spaceflights don't necessarily have to be "scheduled" to be in the future, and there is no sense in having a category for the cross-section that are, excluding the rest. Since there is a consensus against using it for its original purpose - categorising all future spaceflights - I can see no reason to keep it on. GW 09:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ruslik_Zero 18:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National law enforcement agencies of the Afghanistan

Propose merging Category:National law enforcement agencies of the Afghanistan to Category:Law enforcement agencies of Afghanistan
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There are no articles on regional enforcement agencies and I suspect that the new category was created by mistake. Pichpich (talk) 15:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC) Pichpich (talk) 15:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sketch writers

Category:Sketch writers - Template:Lc1
Category:Sketch writers by nationality - Template:Lc1
Category:American sketch writers - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - breaking down writers this much cuts too fine. Writers produce in multiple forms within genres and categorizing by each kind of writing will lead to category clutter. Sketch writers, sitcom writers, drama series writers, made-for-television movie writers, dramedy writers, infomercial writers, clip show writers, talk show writers, awards show writers, etc. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 09:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know a former comedy sketch writer -- and I suppose I used to be one, myself -- and I agree this opens the door to a range of comedy writer by show type categories. To be honest, I kind of assumed a sitcom writer category existed. I see it does not. Certainly leaning towards delete. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mock the Week

Category:Mock the Week - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - absent the performers who per WP:OC are incorrectly categorized there are three articles and a template. Not enough material to necessitate a category. Everything is linked through the template and the main article. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 09:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Muppet writers

Category:Muppet writers - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - per WP:OC people are not categorized on the basis of series or franchises for which they have written. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 08:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and prior precedent; this is overcategorisation, since each of these writers may have written many other things over the course of their lives. (Look at Chevy Chase for example, who is in this category, but his article doesn't even mention that he wrote for the Muppets.) Robofish (talk) 13:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Signatories of the health and social care concordat

Category:Signatories of the health and social care concordat - Template:Lc1
Category:Full signatories of the health and social care concordat - Template:Lc1
Category:Associate signatories of the health and social care concordat - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - for organizations that at some point signed onto "a voluntary agreement between organisations that regulate, audit, inspect or review elements of health and healthcare in England." Does not appear to rise to the level of significance that would warrant categorization. Signatory status is reversible, further indicating the non-definingness of being a party to this document. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 08:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cuisine of the Lazio

Propose renaming Category:Cuisine of the Lazio to Category:Cuisine of Lazio
Nominator's rationale: Syntax & consistency - Alex2006 (talk) 05:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:CD Aves

Propose renaming Category:CD Aves to Category:C.D. Aves
Nominator's rationale: Per main article —Justin (koavf)TCM05:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Goth films

Category:Goth films - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Vague classification. Trivialist (talk) 05:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Short-lived states

Category:Short-lived states - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Completely random inclusion criteria of statehood lasting for "generally less than ten years." Some of these are states, others are micronations, some are simply occupations. —Justin (koavf)TCM03:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Escape from communist countries

Propose renaming Category:Escape from communist countries to Category:Escape from communist states
Nominator's rationale: Per parent cat. and main article. Alternately, delete as too narrow. —Justin (koavf)TCM03:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]