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Resident Identity Card#Identity cards in ethnic minority areas

Hello Rjanag. I was wondering: are you still in Xinjiang? If you still are, are you able to (if and when possible) have a look at a PRC ID Card for a local Xinjiang resident, and be able to note the Uyghur text that appears on it for entries like name, gender, etc? (it can be anyone, so it's best to find a Han or someone you know well, as Uyghurs might become a little weary if foreign tourists ask to look at your ID). I was after official Uyghur translations of each of the headings on the ID card, so that I could include it within my table in the JMSFZ article. I suppose you could use a photograph or a text note if you are familiar with the language. Cheers, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 06:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back in BJ now, but my friend I was visiting is still in Xinjiang, so I could probably get him to take a photo of someone's ID and then add the translations to the article. He has a lot of Uyghur friends there, so I don't t hink it'll be a problem. rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(OT:) by the way, if you're at an internet cafe in China, be careful as some of them might have keyloggers, as I have heard from a few university IT students. Check Windows Task Manager if you can for unexplained programs running. (relevant to WP:SECURITY, but also applies to anything else you may use as well, such as email and banking) Using https://secure.wikimedia.org/ (in case there are listeners) and changing your passwords when you get back might also be important. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 09:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of BS is this?

So Zujine et all can just waltz right in and remove anything he dislikes, yet I have to gain his consensus to make any changes? There is a serious double standard here.--PCPP (talk) 04:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just about one edit or making one change. You know very well that this particular one is a contentious change that has been argued about for weeks, and more than one editor has contested it. (One example, right before your revert.) You yourself have fought repeatedly [1][2] to add this, so you know it's opposed. You can't just, in your words, "waltz in" and make whatever edit you like when you know there is ongoing debate at the talk page about it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And yet large scale changes and removals like this [3] by Zujine are perfectly acceptable, despite the fact that I contested it? And did you even see the argument on the talk page? The source is well attributed by NPOV standards, and yet Olaf insists on its removal by some fallacious argument that it is "a minority view", which he has yet proved. Yet he has no problem with adding Michael Savage's passing comments despite the fact that Savage has no expertize on the subject. If you're going to get involved at least be impartial and examine both sides.--PCPP (talk) 10:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are not responsible for other editors' behavior, only your own. Saying "but so-and-so is doing it too" is never an excuse for your own edit-warring. rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But it takes two to tango? Am I rite?--PCPP (talk) 13:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Children of the Stars

No problem! By the way, I found some stuff that might be useful if you're interested in making an article of Beijing Stars and Rain:
rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ROC

Please offer your objections here--LLTimes (talk) 15:34, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please Stop edit warring

I worked with a few editors, actually, on "The Fly" page on the contribution you are unilaterally removing. I've read your edit history and you seem to have a history of confrontation with regards to edits you simply don't like. Try working out your differences with us on the talk page. Then we can vote or build a consensus. This unilateral edit you keep fighting was already resolved after an editor turned down (twice) to semi-protect the page and, instead, suggested "dispute resolution." So lets talk this out on the discussion page first, please, and then decide whether to alter or remove the contribution. Also accusing me of sockpuppetry violates "good faith". I'm not discussing this on the other user's page. I think he/she confused you with the anon editor who was previously defacing the page with an absurdly long plot summary and other changes. I would like to work with you and others toward making a good page. So let's start a dialogue about this, before defacing the page, in accordance with the admin's suggestion (which is well documented on the talk page as well). Thx.75.174.134.45 (talk) 05:30, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Reverted, 3RR given Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC))[reply]

'Wat' do u want from me? Consensus?? :-/ Dreaded hall monitor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Uh, you don't create consensus. What I want from you is to respond to my multiple attempts to have a discussion. If you have time to revert war, then you have time to respond to messages left on your talk page and the article talk page. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:26, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you "work with a few editors"? I read through the discussion there, there is no discussion of the passage in question. All the long discussion is about the AIDS symbolism, not about this. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
stop vandalizing my talk page. i will do a different edit if you promise 2 stop whining, oh-kay?Dreaded hall monitor (talk) 18:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments asking for discussion are not vandalism; nor are edits whose content you disagree with. I suggest you read WP:What vandalism is not, as you and IP 75.174.134.45 both overuse that term on talk pages and in edit summaries. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
First warning regarding WP:Accusations of Bad Faith
knee-jerk comments accusing me of being a 'sock' in a discussion certainly are vandalism when they unnecessarily spill onto my talk page courtesy of u; as are edits whose content wasn't mine to begin that you want to blame on me. i suggest you read WP:Assume Good Faith, as you and your ego both overuse confrontational tactics on talk pages and in edit summaries with other users when a friendly "Hello, was up w/that edit?" would've sufficed before deleting other's work.
highlights on your own talk page about your lifelong confrontational behavior include>>>
"If you're going to get involved at least be impartial and examine both sides."
"Hi Rjanag. I must ask you to desist from hounding and personal attacks. This has gone much too far. These are core polcies in Wikipedia and as an admin you should know better. Any further incidents and I shall have to make a formal report."
"Erasing everything doesn't help with pinpointing the problem. Do certain words frighten you. Fear is very understandable."
"I think that you are holding back and censoring verified sources on Wiki entries."
there are more instances of course but i'm not going to list them all, take too long. since you've been here so long maybe you've become complacent. refresh yourself and read WP:HUMAN for basic etiquette toward anonymous users. do yourself a favor and lighten up. this is supposed 2 be fun too.Dreaded hall monitor (talk) 20:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Would you leave that horse alone or would you like to discuss your edits at SPI? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 21:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Confrontational tactics" and "assuming bad faith"? I find it hilarious that I'm getting chided for that by a guy whose first interaction with me was to call me a "pov vandal".
The content issue at the article has already been resolved, so there is no further reason for you to continue ranting here. Any further posts from you I will probably be remove, and if you really do want to continue this then be ready for me to open an WP:SPI, although to be honest you and IP 75.174.134.45 could nearly be blocked for socking on the basis of behavioral evidence alone. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

Hi Rjanag! Thanks for the birthday greetings. I'm actually working in China now behind the great internet firewall so it is difficult to access pages on Xinjiang, Tibet etc, but I still try. So make sure to keep up the editing on your end. Take care. David Straub (talk) 13:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working in Hangzhou. I'm setting up an AP program at a local school here. A couple of weeks ago I met some Uyghurs from Hotan selling melons on the street next to my apartment. I sat down with them for a couple of hours and talked with them. It was funny because about 50% of the people walking by thought I was a Uyghur :)David Straub (talk) 22:43, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NIC in ROC

National identity cards in China - could you add Pinyin for ROC? TruckCard (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now you ask for my help, after edit warring with me across multiple pages? rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged CSD for Resident Identity Card; it's in the way of a move (I intend on reverting the problematic move). -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 13:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We have a sock circumventing a block (as assessed through WP:DUCK) using a dynamic IP. Dun dun. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 14:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see...I got the first one but hadn't noticed the second.
Here's what really takes the cake. I don't know if this guy is actually stupid, or just being annoying on purpose. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:25, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the thing to do is get an uninvolved admin from ANI or somewhere and hopefully they can speed up the process by deleting the page (to make room for moving everything back to where it belongs) and then protecting what's left. That might be simpler than trying to block all the IPs. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking semi-protection; blocking the IPs is useless, as all he can do is reset his router, and he'll have a new IP. Where do I go to request for this? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 14:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think WP:RFPP should be fine rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
nvm, looks like it's already been done. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be heading off to bed now, unfortunately. It's 12:38AM, and I have an anatomy/physiology lecture at 8 in the morning. I'll see how all this turns out by tomorrow then. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 14:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, good luck. I have to log off too in a moment, but I'll try to keep checking back throughout the morning. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

thanks for the birthday greeting--Tony Winward (talk) 19:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: usertalk

Hi,

Apologies, that certainly wasn't my intention. Walking in the areas I added to has been overlooked on their wiki pages, and so I thought to add a link for further reading that I have found useful hoping others would follow suit.

Thank you for the suggestion of raising the topic in discussion first (is this done in much the same way as I am messaging you now?).

Best

Billjohnsonwalko (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

apparently it is. right, cheers

Billjohnsonwalko (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

let me know when that book comes in - very definitely Public Domain!

hey,

Be sure 'n let me know when that book comes in, OK? I'm anxious to avoid letting those two images be deleted. They are far and away the best images in the article (as evidenced by the fact that one of them sits atop the page), and are very definitely Public Domain, but dammit, we have to prove it! Tks! • Ling.Nut 03:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing! I requested it last week so it should be in soon (it's already taken longer than usual). If it's time-sensitive, though, you could also try leaving a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request‎; someone there might be able to get it even faster. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tks for getting that.
  • I'm disappointed that the two photos are not in it... if you wanna do a huge public service, you could cross-check to see which of the images are in the digital records of the university of Tokyo (e.g., this one) or this blog (the photos are the same, I think) and move all of those to Commons as they are PD. That might take a couple days, so if you don't wanna do that, you could scan the whole book and email it to me. That might take an hour or more, so if you don't wanna do that, then, Belated Happy Moon festival! :-P I sincerely appreciate your help in obtaining that book. [You don't have to do anything at all if you don't want to. No worries.] • Ling.Nut 00:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Linguistics#...language

Responded at.. -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 02:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection for Min Chueh Chang article

Hi Rjanag, I was randomly going through articles and noticed a slow month long revert issue on Min Chueh Chang. It is possible for you to assess if its a issue with the article, if so change the status of the article from no protection to semi-protection? or do I have to go through the process with WP:SILVERLOCK? Thanks. Takamaxa (talk) 14:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and warned both of them; if it continues I'll have to decide whether to protect the page or block both of them. Both methods would be equally effective (since it's a dispute between just 2 users right now, blocking both of them would stop the edit warring; then again, since no one else seems to be editing that article anyway, protecting it wouldn't cause much disruption either); I tend not to believe in punitive blocks, but in this case the behavior is so deplorable the editors kind of do deserve it... rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rjanag, thanks for your quick response. I wasn't expecting the editors to be blocked at all. (wasn't my intention at all) but since your the administrator, thats your discretion. Thought warnings would be enough or a silverlock on the page to slow down ip edits. I agree with you about punitive blocks, it shouldn't be a punishment but a last resort to prevent further disruption. I hope the editors can discuss on the talk page about sourcing references for the WP:BLP article concerned.

Takamaxa (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apology

Probably I should have kept my big mouth shut. I was just struck by the magnitude of your claim about this very ordinary word; which is surprising considering how smart you are, and a linguist to boot. See here for mucho examples of its use, including the Prez. Anyway, now that you know - no hard feelings, bud? Textorus (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might notice that almost all the examples of its use are in the middle of an idiom, "fullness of time" (and one is from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson). "Fullness" means very little in itself (apart from the obvious 'full + ness', which could mean many different things depending on the context), which is why I pointed out to the OP that we can't provide a good translation without any context. As is standard procedure at the reference desk, though, people are more interested in finding little flaws in other peoples' posts than in addressing the question that was actually posed. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tibet photo in the Standard Mandarin article.

Hi, Rjanag, I've appreciated your comments about and your work on the [Standard Mandarin]] article. I notice a photo of a banner outside a school in Tibet urging use of Mandarin gets inserted and deleted from time to time. I'm sure the image is controversial (because the underlying policy is controversial), but I'd like to hear from you what you think the rationale is for not posting the image. I get the impression that American readers (who perhaps make up a plurality or even a majority of readers of English Wikipedia) could learn something about current official policy in the P.R.C. from that image, which might help them better understand the situation in the western regions now under P.R.C. sovereignty where ethnic Han people are numerically in the minority. I'll learn something from you whatever you say, so I'm asking without precondition. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to this removal, the photo was copyrighted and the uploader didn't have permission to upload it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, well then that is a clear-cut case. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Re:Teaching to the test

Thanks! Actually, the article was created back in 2006, but it was prodded - I was quite surprised to see no one had recreated it since then. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 13:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Bhutan-Nepal relations

Hi - I've proposed an alternative at T:TDYK that I think should address your concerns. Shiva (Visnu) 14:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Close paraphrasing template

Hi. :) I think this is a good idea, but it's going to lead to some complications as is because articles tagged with that template are now sneakily listed at the copyright problems board via bot. :) The ones paraphrasing PD sources aren't copyright concerns, of course, so they really shouldn't be there. Plus, since I wouldn't be yanking the content, they'd come back over and over again. :/ Are you good enough with templates and cats and things to perhaps create a separate category other than Category:Articles with close paraphrasing for them to go into? Maybe Category:Articles with close paraphrasing of public domain sources? Is it even possible to have the category switch based on parameters? If that's not up your alley, I'll see if I can find somebody who can help. Certainly, I have no clue. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, that's a good point. I'm not too familiar with how this bot works either, but I'll leave a message with the bot operator to see if he can give more information. Presumably the bot recognizes some text within the template and uses that to decide what articles to list at WP:CP; once I know what bit of text that is, it should be a simple matter to make that text not show up if the |free= parameter is activated in the template. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This might solve the problem. (In plain English, what it says is "if free=yes, then put this article in the category Articles with close paraphrasing of public domain sources; otherwise, put it in the category Articles with close paraphrasing.) You can see what it looks like on Elsham Priory. (One issue is that the category page currently doesn't exist...for the main close paraphrasing categories, I don't know if those are created by bot or what...) rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, either. :D But I think that could work. I'll check with User:VernoWhitney. If I'm remembering correctly, it's his bot that lists them. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It might be User:Schutz, who operates Zorglbot; that's the one that shows up the most in the page history for WP:CP. I'm not sure how active he is right now so I went ahead and sent him an e-mail. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is my bot and as it's currently written it just lists every single new transclusion of the template. I should be able to set it up to simply ignore any taggings which include "|free=yes" in the parameter and that would keep it off of the copyvio lists entirely (and I'll try coding that right now so we can see if Elsham Priory gets listed or not here in a few hours). As far as the categories go, they seem to be created manually (although I have no idea why). VernoWhitney (talk) 21:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick response! I'll keep my eyes open and see what happens. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so apparently my code worked, so as long as that param stays the same you can tweak the categories or whatever strikes your fancy and articles tagged that way still shouldn't be listed at the copyright board. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About an account you blocked

Turns out an account you blocked, User:Ninthwhen has a ton of sockpuppetsДунгане (talk) 03:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but the User:Phoenix7777 account is making the the claim here that since you said User:ninthwhen was not one of his possible socks, that the other accounts where not socks either. I remember you only stated that Ninthwhen was a different person, and said nothing about the status of the other accounts. This guy is putting words into your mouth, can you make a comment on the case there?Дунгане (talk) 19:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Palindromes

Thanks for the palindromes! I waste so much worrisome energy on vandals that I forget about all the great editors out there. Praise Thor! PalindromeKitty (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ni hao

I have closed the AFD and soft redirected it. For future reference, to soft redirect an article to wiktionary, replace the text with this...

{{wi}} {{subst:longcomment}}

You originally did this...

{{wiktionary|ni hao}}

...which makes it look like a blank article. That may be why the IP reverted it. Not to worry, I didn't know this either until I looked it up before closing the AFD :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bird is equal to and/or greater than the word

Do you not agree sir?

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