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So USE WITH CAUTION. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Next thing you know, someone using the Roadrunner ISP is gonna say something like this: "Meep, meep!". --ACME contributor: → Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 09:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC) ←[reply]

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de bait

"Train leaving on Track Five for Anaheim, Azusa, and Cuc..."

This digression has been anchovyied. Please do not muddify it.
This section... intentionally left Blanc.[1]

"...amonga!"

I've got my fare, ... and a little to spare. —— Shakescene (talk) 07:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ions

Seriously Bugs, what's the difference between an Anion and an Onion? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 08:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a Cation in there somewhere, but I'm not inclined to eat one. PhGustaf (talk) 08:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see that your manifestation has finally gotten out. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And what about opinions? They seem to be rather charged and shocking as well! Soxwon (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I'm thinking that the answer to the original question is that an Anion is positively charged, a Cation is negatively charged, and an Onion has many layers of charges. Except when they're given away, in which case they have no charge. Then it switches from an Onion to an Offion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why has nobody yet mentioned the Dogion? PhGustaf (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, come on - get Sirius. I've seen where the various cola drinks have lots of ions in them, except for 7Up, which has un-ions. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the latest scientific developments: ion springfield. TFOWR 10:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then there's the old baseball adage, "Keep your ion the ball." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Achoo... something (an irritation perhaps) blew away~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 12:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And the obvious retort would be, "Back achoo!" ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moderation, moderation~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You've heard of the radical left and the radical right? Here's the slogan of the radical middle: "Moderation, at all costs!" ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not surprise given that futurist writer - Alvin Toffler had once wrote "... in every anarchist, there is a conformist at work and deep in every conformist, there is another anarchist at work...". --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've observed over the years that a lot of people believe in anarchy for themselves, and fascism for everyone else. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know... the doctor said he was retiring, or so he says. Just glad nobody's going to be on his menu no more, or so we think. Bugs, can we get a confirmation on that, please? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict deletion

Well that's a new one! I've never seen a bot manage to do the edit conflict comment removal trick before (at least I assume that's what happened). GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 21:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the user's edits are probably more suitable for discussion at ANI than AIV though. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 22:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was an oddity. I'll let the admins decide what to do with the IP, who's obviously a sock. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not necessarily wrong to be editing on an IP even if you make most of your edits with a named account. See Wikipedia:SOCK#Legitimate_uses. —Soap— 23:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's no rule against using a IP. The issue I have is that he "knows" me and I don't know him. That's unfair. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case you're not watching cum shot (can't blame you) the IP (as a different IP) has now admitted to being User:DMSBel: [3]. Smartse (talk) 21:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shazam! Thanks for letting me know. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Statefarm

Wrong ... I'm an Indian and don't have statefarm here (to the best of my knowledge)... I therefore cannot have any bad experience with it Amartya ray2001 (talk) 11:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, I'm not meaning a particular editor. I don't have the time to go through the details. I don't see any reason for u to feel guilty, dear friend! that tag will not be removed! It's a legal tag.. I did not make it! Amartya ray2001 (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Troll control / "malformed" RD questions

Hi Bugs. I've been getting the impression that you know a thing or two about troll-control, so any comments, advice, etc. here would be appreciated. (I'm not sure of the wikiquettual status of asking for your input in a thread started by Franamax before Franamax has responded to my response there, but assume you will proceed appropriately;). Regards and thanks, :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 00:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. There's no harm in assuming good faith with someone that appears to be a troll. If you do assume good faith, sometimes it puts them on the spot and they make their trolldom clear. Other times, just maybe possibly, they're sincere. As regards the ref desks, I've been staying away from them lately, as the mobius-strip discussions were starting to wear on my good nature. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lol, okay, thanks :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 00:17, 28

September 2010 (UTC)

I think I would have asked that user if he could arrange a session with a Mrs. Bobbitt. That might be a step in the right direction. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Powers Photo

A photo of Alexandra Powers is needed on her wikipedia page. Would any of this pictures be acceptable?: http://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=14027 http://www.tvspielfilm.de/stars/star/alexandra-powers,1571496,ApplicationGallery.html?page=5 http://www.flixster.com/actor/alexandra-powers Please let me know if any of these photos are acceptable for her wikipedia page. Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are they free photos as per wikipedia rules? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note

In regards to the CoM interaction ban, other than the ArbCom exception (where you are both parties), you may also comment in administrative processes (certain situations such as SPI-related matters) as a result of the amendment. This is a privilege, not a right, so exercise it cautiously: in any comments you make, avoid posting any remarks which may be perceived by others as unnecessary or unhelpful. An admin should confirm/endorse what I've written in due course. The restrict log has aleady been updated to reflect this. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am hopeful that this won't even come up. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And if you want to take a swipe at CoM, just send me mail and I'll see what I can do. PhGustaf (talk) 20:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure that theory will help my case. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case: I was making a joke, not making a plan for future drama. PhGustaf (talk) 23:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know. Your edit summary said you were opposed to smileys, so I decided to be courteous (!) and omit the smiley also. :) Oops. :) Oops again. :( ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

Thanks for chiming in there. I don't get how to solve that problem, the entire process is getting annoying, so i'm going to try and take a few days off. Doc Quintana (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how either. The opposition to your consistent approach is befuddling. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bugs, I'm not opposed to constistency, but he couldn't gain a consensus to change the status quo ("football" only on association football articles, full code on all other articles). The solution it to keep trying to gain a consesus for consistency, not make unilateral changes against consensus. You know as well as I do that changing long-entrenched consensus/status-quo/rules can take years, but being disruptive, as Doc has been, never helps the cause.

I'm still confused as to why he's changing the NFL articles instead of the Euro-footy ones, but he may well have tried that and been stymied. I do believe the full code should be shown in the Lead at first mention (once in the whole article, plus infobox if used there) for the sake of clarity, as we do have international readers (or US readers in the case of Euro-footie) who may not be all that bright or have trouble understanding English (we know both types well!) However, I'd support the other method too, providing it gains a consensus. So far, that hasn't happened, which is why I reverted Doc's edits on 3 NFL articles. (I didn't touch the others to avoid an appearance of stalking, while Doc has not avoided the appearance of stalking.) FWIW. - BilCat (talk) 05:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, it would be best to have the soccer club articles state "association football" or "soccer football" in the lead, since Americans reading it don't necessarily know that Manchester United doesn't play what "we" call football. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I thought of retiring this account since it's pretty much ruined now, but the sheer gall of the edit above is going to make me keep it to try and help people attacked by wikilayers like BilCat. Bugs, let me know if you need my help in the future. I'll be around, but probably not as much as before. Doc Quintana (talk) 04:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Doc, whatever your decision lies in, you should not be thinking that we are wikilawyers, perhaps you should go read up on WP:Don't be a fanatic and reflect on yourself first before coining such terms per WP:Avoid personal remarks. Like I've said before, there are 3 million over articles on Wikipedia and you had to pick these handful to fight with other editors, what gives? Perhaps you leaving would be best for the community. Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 06:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dave, I don't get it. They're fanatics and it's ok? I've begun a section at WP:WQA over this incident. This can't continue. I was going to leave until the comment above. Doc Quintana (talk) 11:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc Quintana: On the contrary, you're the FANATIC. What with your behaviour after you've harassed Bill repeatedly on his talk page and on mine as well (IMO, once is one time too much no matter how smart you are) when it is so blatantly and bleedingly obvious that we have clarified our official stand on the matter, and that is... go gain a consensus first before you do anything stupid. Peace out. (Note: Pardon my french but you really left me no choice after what you been warned against time and again...) --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Table tests

Television
Year	Title	Role	Episodes	Notes
2004	Double the Fist	Suzie	1	Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005– 2006	headLand	Freya Lewis	26
2007	Sea Patrol	Fed Agent Martina Royce	1	Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
2007– present	Chuck	Special Agent Sarah Walker	55

Television
Year	Title	Role	Episodes	Notes
2004 2004	Double the Fist	Suzie	1	Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005 2005– 2006	headLand	Freya Lewis	26
2007 2007	Sea Patrol	Fed Agent Martina Royce	1	Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
9999 2007– Present	Chuck	Special Agent Sarah Walker	54

¶ How about:

Television
Year	Title	Role	Epi- sodes	Notes
2004 2004	Double the Fist	Suzie	1	Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005 2005– 2006	headLand	Freya Lewis	26
2007 2007	Sea Patrol	Fed Agent Martina Royce	1	Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
9999 2007– Present	Chuck	Special Agent Sarah Walker	54

or

Television
Year	Title	Role	Epi- sodes	Notes
2004 2004	Double the Fist	Suzie	1	Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005 2005– 2006	headLand	Freya Lewis	26
2007 2007	Sea Patrol	Fed Agent Martina Royce	1	Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
9999 2007– Present	Chuck	Special Agent Sarah Walker	54

—— Shakescene (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

¶ Come to think of it, why not move these tests to all that wide open space at BB[H] or BB[SE] to add cover against the demoletionist ~~masses~~ ~~hordes~~ ~~mob~~ clique? I understand that Elmer Fudd's robots have about the same visual perceptiveness as Mr. Magoo.—— Shakescene (talk) 22:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In due time. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yvonne Strahovski production version

Television
Year	Title	Role	Episodes	Notes
2004	Double the Fist	Suzie	1	Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005–2006	headLand	Freya Lewis	26
2007	Sea Patrol	Fed Agent Martina Royce	1	Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
2007–present	Chuck	Special Agent Sarah Walker	55

Another test

Chicago Cubs World Series Championship
Year	Title	Role	Episodes	Notes
1903–1906	No	Spoiler	4	Let's not even talk about 1906
1907	Yes	Winner	1	Tinker to Evers...
1908	Yes	Winner	1	...to Chance
1909–present	No	Spoilage	102 so far	Wait till next century!

So where does the billy goat fit in? I'll give him some grass. (And following earlier discussions, what about the world's championship of base ball, 1884-1902? And for that matter, 1904 was the Lost Season of World Series; thank you John McGraw and the superior circuit.) —— Shakescene (talk) 01:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Cubs World Series Championship
Year	Title	Role	Episodes	Notes
1903–1906	No	Spoiler	3	Let's not even talk about 1906
1907	Yes	Winner	1	Tinker to Evers...
1908	Yes	Winner	1	...to Chance
1909–present	No	Spoilage	102 so far	Wait till next century!

Red Sox vs. Cubs World Series Update

Oh well. If it ever happens, I'll still fly out there and buy you a beer.

At least my Sox had an excuse, because they were largely lame and halt all season. You don't win a pennant playing third-string catchers who hit in the 140s.

On the plus side, Clay Buchholz is a really good investment of $443,000 or so. PhGustaf (talk) 20:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Cubs and the BoSox are good examples of the cold hard fact that spending alone will not necessarily buy a championship or a playoff berth. Teams like Tampa and Minnesota demonstrate that you produce a winner without putting spending through the roof, but you also have to know what you're doing (as contrasted with, say, Pittsburgh or Washington or Baltimore). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your responses on ANI

I find your responses on ANI generally unhelpful, and frequently inflammatory. I'm not going to press the civility aspect of that, but frequent inflammatory responses can easily become disruptive. Consider this a warning. Gimmetoo (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Horrors. Zounds, even. I'm shaking in my jackboots. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bugs, I find your responses on ANI generally helpful, and frequently funny. Consider this a barnstar. - BilCat (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This is what I call a "fair and balanced" section. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why do I smell bacon? Oh, hey Gimmetoo. HalfShadow 17:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As in, "Thank you sir! Will you gimme another?" ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What? I like bacon. Bacon is yummy. HalfShadow 17:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't exactly a new joke, but it still works. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at that ANI megillah, you'll see that most everyone is irritated with the OP. So the OP responded in the obvious way - he issued a civility warning to someone else. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had the same trouble with the user in an earlier section here. I don't wnat he thought I meant by "If it look's like a doc", but it was just humor on a page with "Bugs" (as in Bunny) is it's title. He got blocked and then retired, but you probably won't be so lucky, Bugs! - BilCat (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Too subtle, I guess. :) His block only ran for 24 hours, but I think he's getting frustrated. When I get too frustrated, I usually go away for awhile, except I usually don't announce it. Got to keep the trolls guessing. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ginger knocking is fine - just don't resort to shoving rip raps thru his letterbox and runnng away :) :) Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I'm a practitioner of non-violence. I take painstaking steps to ensure that I don't physically harm anyone. Unless they deserve it. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So am I. When I beat someone up, I make sure I don't injure myself doing it. HalfShadow 20:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Hence the useful tool known as a blackjack. Or, in tougher neighborhoods, keep this old saying in mind:

"A loaded gun: Don't leave home without it." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting on multiple keys

Hi Bugs, I hope you don't mind me posting here in reply to your question at ANI, but it's probably off-topic there. The sorting algorithm used on Wikipedia is a stable sort, that is, it preserves the previous order of rows when a later sort has keys that are equal. What that means in practice is: say an actor appeared in 10 roles each year for 5 years; sorting on 'Role' would produce the obvious alphabetical order; but if you then sort on 'Year', you'd get a table sorted by year, but within each of the 5 years, the 10 roles would stay in alphabetical order. Hopefully that was what you meant. As for the utility of sorting a table of four rows – yeah, not terribly useful right now, but hopefully it is future-proof as time passes and the number of rows in the table increases. Plus, as you rightly observe, it's an example that can be used as a template for other articles. Happy Editing! --RexxS (talk) 00:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...and knowing is half the battle. The other half is high-caliber gunplay, and much more fun. HalfShadow 01:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. And as you can see, in my test section above, there are other things that can be done. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And if you're interested in 'skinning' tables, take a look at Help talk:Table#Alternating row colors?. If you add the new classes to your vector.css (or whatever skin you're using), you can see it working at User:Dodoïste/Sandbox. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 04:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, it still existed at the time.

Stupid bloody robot... HalfShadow 22:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just don't hurt its feelings. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your complaint

Sorry, will correct. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]