Talk:Friedrich Nietzsche

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Friedrich Nietzsche article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18: 30 days

Friedrich Nietzsche is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 1, 2006	Featured article candidate	Not promoted

Biography: Core B‑class

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
	This article is listed on the project's core biographies page.

Philosophy: Philosophers / Aesthetics / Metaphysics / Ethics / Social and political / Continental / Modern B‑class High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy articles

B

This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

High

This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Associated task forces:
/
	Philosophers
	Aesthetics
	Metaphysics
	Ethics
	Social and political philosophy
	Continental philosophy
	Modern philosophy

Germany B‑class Top‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Former countries: Prussia B‑class

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former countries, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of defunct states and territories (and their subdivisions). If you would like to participate, please join the project.Former countriesWikipedia:WikiProject Former countriesTemplate:WikiProject Former countriesformer country articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Prussia, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.

Zoroastrianism B‑class Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Zoroastrianism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Zoroastrianism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ZoroastrianismWikipedia:WikiProject ZoroastrianismTemplate:WikiProject ZoroastrianismZoroastrianism articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Atheism B‑class Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Atheism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of atheism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.AtheismWikipedia:WikiProject AtheismTemplate:WikiProject AtheismAtheism articles

B

This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

For more information and how you can help, click the [Show] link opposite:

If you would like to participate, you can edit this article and visit the project page.

Quick help

Recent activity

To do

Join WikiProject atheism and be bold.

Add a userbox to your page ({{User WikiProject Atheism}} or {{User WPA2}}) and attract potential members.
Help with articles.
See this month's adopt-an-article.
Help out with this to-do list.

Be consistent

Use a "standard" layout for atheism-related articles (see layout style, "The perfect article" and Featured articles).
Add Atheism info box to all atheism related talk pages (use {{WikiProject Atheism}} or see info box)
Ensure atheism-related articles are members of Atheism by checking whether [[Category:Atheism]] has been added to atheism-related articles – and, where it hasn't, adding it.

Maintenance, etc.

Find sources for all positions of an article (see Citing sources and atheism references).
Try to expand stubs. Ideas and theories about life, however, are prone to generating neologisms, so some stubs may be suitable for deletion (see deletion process).
Watch the list of atheism-related articles and add to accordingly.
Always write for an encyclopedia.

Articles to improve

Agnosticism

Create

Articles on notable atheists

Expand

an atheism stub

Immediate attention

State atheism needs a reassessment of its Importance level, as it has little to do with atheism and is instead an article about anti-theist/anti-religious actions of governments.
False choice into False dilemma: discuss whether you are for or against this merge here
Clarify references in Atheism using footnotes.
Secular movement defines it as a being restricted to America in the 21st century.

Template:WP1.0

Archiving the talk page

Would anyone mind if I set up MiszaBot to automatically archive threads older than 30 days, leaving at least the four most recent threads (even if they haven't been active in the past 30 days)? I think the page is getting close to needing an archive again, but it is a royal pain to do it by manually. RJC ^Talk_Contribs 15:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done RJC ^Talk_Contribs 16:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nietzsche pronounciation

German transcription of Nietzsche is [ni:tʃə], no sound [s] between t and ʃ. If you do not believe, read http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraph_(Linguistik), section "Trigraph, Tetragraph… " RJC, who told you s was correct?! --195.91.232.161 (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zickzack. See Talk:Friedrich Nietzsche/Archive 16#IPA again. RJC ^Talk_Contribs 22:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zickzack, where do you come from? Just curious, in what village people pronounce tzsch like [tsʃ]... Have you ever tried to pronouns it like that? ;)) Nothing personal, but seriously, [tʃ] is the most widespread. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schuetze (talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I happen to come from a major city where, according to statistics, the language is closest to Standard High German. You may have heard of that "village". And yes, I can hear the difference between [tʃ] and [tsʃ] as well as pronounce it with ease. Arguing numbers will lead us nowhere, because the majority of German speakers speaks a South German dialect with a restricted number of sibilants. E.g. they do not even have a [z]. -- Zz (talk) 11:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will to Power

Re: Will to Power, the article says:

He transformed the idea of matter as centers of force into matter as centers of will to power.

Is this what is meant:

He transformed the idea that matter is/are centers of force into one of matter as centers of will to power ?

In other words, one view existed prior to Nietzsche (A - matter as centers of force) and he proposed another one (B - matter as centers of will to power). If so, how is this a transformation of an idea? Another possibility would be that Nietzsche first proposed A, but later put forward B; that change in his own work might be a transformation of a sort. Otherwise, there isn't a "transformation" unless Nietzsche transformed something: matter itself, or the scientific view of matter, or the accepted view of matter among philosophers. Nietzsche "proposed" or did something similar, but did not transform.

The meaning or definition of "Will to Power" is never given. The article tells us WtP is a) an important part of N's philosophical outlook; b) provides a way to understand human behavior; c) may apply to many other areas - not just understanding human behavior (if so, shouldn't it be "wider application"); d1) is more powerful than pressure for survival/adaptation, d2) except in certain limited situations; e) was later applied to all living things by N; and f) later still to inorganic matter. But what is the "Will to Power"? I realize there's a cross-reference to the main article on WtP, but as a reader I would want some idea of what WtP is right away. From the main WtP article I get that WtP is what N believes to be "the main driving force in man." If so, saying this would be big help to the reader. Perhaps can even give a simple (simplistic?) definition of WtP (a striving for power) and let the reader know it is just a partial definition.

Re: N wanting to dispense with the atomistic view, should there be a cross reference to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism#Molar_versus_molecular_behaviorism Ileanadu (talk) 21:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Essay on Nietzsche

Nietzsche's nationality has come up so often that I made an essay for my own use on the matter. It lists some of the evidence put forward. It also points to all the previous discussions. It is a user essay; RJC/Nietzsche was a German. RJC ^Talk_Contribs 20:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Freud and Jung

Please don't delete Freud or Jung off of the 'influenced' section. They are two of the biggest names in all of psychology and are both listed as philosophers. Even though their primary field wasn't philosophy doesn't mean they shouldn't be listed. It's the equivalent of not having Einstein on Spinoza's 'influenced' section because Einstein was notably a physicist, or not putting Darwin as influencing Dennett, or taking Goethe off of Nietzsche's influences, etc. Leave them be. --96.253.50.139 (talk) 19:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]