Talk:Jeffree Star

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References 20 and 21 in the article should be cited as by "Ryan C" as that's how they are signed on the blogTO.com pages that they are linked to. There were several "Ryans" writing for the site at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Photendo (talk • contribs) 18:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of. -- Banjeboi 22:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

sexualltiy

jeffree star is not gay he is bi-sexual many people should know that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.169.22 (talk) 07:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It really isn't clear yet in my opinion. He has stated in a couple of articles that he only likes men. He has also gone on to state that he'd "make out" with a woman. He's stated that he refuses any kind of label. I am personally not comfortable placing a label on him in this article when he refuses to claim any. I also don't think it's relevant to the encyclopedic/biographical nature of the article in this specific case because he's billed himself as androgynous and gender bender.Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 21:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

nahhh hes gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.17.141 (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

He mentions having had sex with Raquel Reed because they both thought it would be hilarious.98.225.230.65 (talk) 11:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

jeffree has said recently on facebook "is it wrong to find both genders attractive? everyone's obsessed with labels.. relax and enjoy the pleasures of both" and "men are fucking stupid, maybe I should try girls..."

Please verify songwriting and fashion designing claims

Is there any credible information to back these claims up? The only fashion lines involving him were designed on his behalf, and he did not write the majority of his songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.193.18.66 (talk) 11:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe sources concur with what's presently in the article, for sngwriting credits you may want to check the album article. Banjeboi 06:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed that it appears from sources cited that he did at least originally write his own music. That's good enough.

Is there any reliable citation for his fashion designer claim? The link cited is broken and appears to be someone's personal blog anyway. Granny Bebeb (talk) 03:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

If you're talking about the "South End Newspaper" reference, I marked the link dead and am going through the other refs looking for something. If I can't find anything, I'll research who designed the Hot Topic line and anything else relevant trying to come up with a source. Failing that, I'll remove the claim.Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 21:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

As to the fashion designer claim. I've not seen anything yet mentioning his designing the clothing. I'm still reading though so I haven't removed it.Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

You can pretty easily verify that he designs clothing for Hot Topic in the US, but you may not find a link to an article on it. Also worth noting that although Marc Jacobs designs with a team, you won't see that mentioned in most online article -- IMO, it's problematic to verify design work based on online articles. He also created a lot of independent clothing to promote his music even before he released an album. This would have been before he would have really had a budget to outsource design. I have seen quite a few pictures of him in clothes that promote his work, but that don't ever wind up for sale. So my guess is that he wears them to appearances to gauge reaction before mass-producing them. Just my guess. 98.225.230.65 (talk) 10:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Age Verification

He wasn't born in 1986, he was born in 1985. Who keeps reverting this? You can even find in recent articles that he just turned 22 in November, not 21. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.98.31 (talk) 02:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, we don't seem to have a reliable source that states his birthdate or age. If you have one either add it or post it here for someone else to. Benjiboi 09:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

HE WAS BORN IN 1985.. NOT 86. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DO A PUBLIC VITAL RECORD SEARCH FOR CALIFORNIA, AND HE WAS BORN IN L.A COUNTY NOT ORANGE COUNTY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.90.2 (talk) 13:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually a reliable source per wikipedia's standards would be better, if you happen to see something in an article or interview feel free to post it here so others can check it out. Banjeboi 06:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this change requires a source at the moment since the original date doesn't have a citation. You are simply changing it back to uphold a standard that wasn't upheld in it's original creation. Either remove the reference to the birth date or change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.22.30.2 (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Here is a source: http://www86.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Jeffree+star (Anon) 11:42, 20 May 2009 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.22.30.2 (talk)

I've changed the birthdate to 1985 citing IMDB's database. Also, as an aside, you can search the occourts.org online case access under traffic tickets and put in either Jeffree Star or his original name along with a birthdate. The year 1986 returns no results, but 1985 does. I don't know if/how anyone can cite this. Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 21:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate verified through Orange County Court system website (occourts.org). Case #46563KH, speeding in the carpool lane (by himself) on 9/2/09. It shows his original driver's license read Jeffrey Lynn Steininger, but that his license now reads Jeffree Star. It also shows the info that he listed on his Driver's License (which is not verified for accuracy!): 6'0", 98lbs, Brown Eyes, Red Hair.98.225.230.65 (talk) 10:59, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sales

jeffree has had over 115 thousand downloads. he states this on his myspace page so could we put it in the main wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.144.198 (talk) 02:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed Feud with Trace Cyrus section

“ Star allegedly had a falling out with friend and model Hanna Beth, who is also a good friend of Mylie Cyrus. He posted a bulletin on MySpace stating he had always supported Beth through difficult times, including those in which her boyfriend, Metro Station vocalist/guitarist Trace Cyrus, was doing drugs. Trace Cyrus responded by sending Star a series of threatening text messages which Star photographed and e-mailed to gossip blogger Perez Hilton who posted them. Trace Cyrus denies Star's claim. ”

This needs to be sourced better and presented neutrally per WP:BLP policies. Youtube is generally not a reliable source. Banjeboi 23:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, we have several issues. I've cleaned up the text a bit. Probably the most pressing besides WP:BLP concerns is notability. That is, this issue - although certainly interesting on some level - just isn't that big of deal or that notable as of yet. It might be at some point but we should probably wait a bit. I'm also concerned that wikipedia isn't used to generate or propagate gossip. Let's see if this really is a big deal or just blows over. If it starts to be published in some reliable sources besides Perez Hilton that would help too. Banjeboi 03:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Include where J* is selling his new EP!! in the Music section, As well should probably add where he got his early start

On his Profile( Calender/tour dates). He posted where his new EP,"Cup cakes taste violence" will be sold. Bestbuy,SmartPunk,Target,Hot Topic,Amazon. Wikipedia should include this for further information.! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Famous-Partcher (talk • contribs)

Actually we generally don't include such information in an encyclopedia. We do have links to his sites and people can follow those. -- Banjeboi 00:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Before he got big and huge on a lot of other internet sites he was really big on melodramatic.com, his site page is here http://melodramatic.com/users/cunt

While all of his earlier posts where deleted by him, the page remains there with an included picture of him on as the avatar. Check it out if you want, but I think it should be somewhere.

OCD

Want to remove Star recalls that his obsessive compulsive disorder as a child pushed him into wearing his mother's makeup and clothes.[9] but haven't. I searched on google for site:http://blogs.myspace.com/jeffreestar for ocd, compulsive, high school, and obsessive and couldn't find anything regarding his having OCD.

As a separate question: is a Myspace profile a source that can be used for this article? Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 23:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

A person is always considered an expert on themselves. -- Banjeboi 01:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I read up on WP:SELFPUB so I see that you are right. There should be a way to link directly to the blog posts that tell the information that is referenced. His entire myspace page is rather large and there is no easy way to find some of the referenced material. I think doing this would also avoid points 1, 2, and 3 of the WP:SELFPUB.Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 22:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Worth noting that crossdressing as a compulsion is primarily a stereotype of drag queens and cross-dressers. Drag is common, but compulsive drag is extremely rare (and also not related to transsexuality, for future note).98.225.230.65 (talk) 11:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

"obsessive compulsive disorder as a child pushed him into wearing his mother's makeup and clothes" -- His interest to wear makeup derived from a disorder? No citation, stereotyping, negative connotation. REMOVAL? --207.172.250.58 (talk) 00:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

So what do we do about the dead links?

Sorry I just deleted the reference to thesouthend article, but it's dead and archive.org doesn't have it. I thought that deletion was the best course of action for now because this is a biographical page. What would have been a better way of editing it?Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind. Think I figured it out. I'm adding the dead link template in the appropriate places.Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Assaults/Jail et al

“ Star admitted on DJ Rossstar's Punk Rock Show in 2007 that he had been to jail three times for assault.

On June 23, 2007, Star reportedly punched a female audience member in the face after she, according to Star, threw "shit" at him on stage at Pride Toronto. He later admitted that the girl merely gave him the finger all night which he said "pissed [him] off". However, in an interview with the girl, she claimed to had done nothing that could have upset Star and was actually a fan of him. As a result of the attack, Star has been banned from future Pride Toronto events. He was not charged for the attack.

Star was arrested at Burbank Airport, California on September 12, 2008, for carrying a knife in his luggage. He was released on bail the following day and did a month of community service in 2009 by removing graffiti. This postponed the release date of Star's debut album, Beauty Killer.

Whilst on Warped Tour 2009 in Las Cruces, New Mexico eye-witnesses accused Star of allegedly tasing a man three times and kicking him after he threw water in his face. Videos post-fight later surfaced onto the Internet.

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I've pulled this from the article for clean-up - let's present this as encyclopedically as possible with neutrality and strong sourcing. Let's also avoid glorifying violence and "punk rock attitude" etc. We don't need to do it let the verifiable facts speak for themselves.
I think it would be smart to include this content with due weight and in context. Star has stated in an interview that "just because I'm skinny doesn't mean I won't kick someone's ass" he also confirmed that he has been jailed three times for assault. He has been involved in a number of incidents, often tied to his stage performances, where he has assaulted people he felt were in some way attacking him.
We can then add the most notable and sourced ones without a lot of trivial detail. Thoughts? -- Banjeboi 21:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's pretty easy to accidentally leave a pocket knife or something similar in your luggage, but I can't comment on whether you should punch rowdy fans that throw something at you. ;-) "Post-fight" videos are meaningless really, I could make one in five minutes claiming to be punched. And the only somewhat-reliable source in that whole segment is Blender, who brought up the knife thing. It could all be true, but it needs a source, even just court case numbers or local newspapers.98.225.230.65 (talk) 11:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Middle name?

Proof his middle name is Lynn?

Call him. His phone number is (310) XXX-XXXX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.71.211 (talk) 12:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the number just because I feel sorry for the MAC makeup people whose phone number you listed. Just to be clear, that was not his phone number.Vnarfhuhwef (talk) 20:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

California court records (Orange County #46563KH) indicate that his first ID was as Jeffrey Lynn Steininger. Current ID does not list a middle name, per the court records. So he could still have that middle name. "Lynn" is also gender-neutral, having been mostly a man's name through history.98.225.230.65 (talk) 11:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sequence of recordings

In the "2009-" section regarding his recording career, the first paragraph talks about a record release in 2009 but then the second paragraph goes back to work he did in 2007-2008. I think this section just needs to be rearranged so it is in chronological order. It's confusing as it's written now.

Obsessive compulsive interest in makeup?

That seems very unusual. OCD usually manifests in repetitive, useless tasks which relieve anxiety in the sufferer. Since this is sourced from his MySpace profile, which doesn't seem to be too much of a reliable source, perhaps it could be hyperbole on Jeffrey's part? Maybe it should be changed to "intense interest." WMFEssaywriter (talk) 06:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Sponsorship of Chelsea Grin

It became aparent that Jefree Star is supporting the extreme metal band Chelsea Grin. See this picture [1] . 69.109.44.142 (talk) 14:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Recent video appearance

He recently appeared in the music video for Ke$ha's 'Take it Off'. Idk how to do this right, soo.....someone add it plz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tu Puteo (talk • contribs) 06:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)