Talk:Kyokushin

Inaccuracies

Kyokushin Karate and Shotokan Karate have evolved into very different styles,though both originated from Okinawa they took divergent routes to achieve their differing goals. Kyokushin Karate was hugely influenced by its participation in the famous challenge issued by Muay Thai as to which was the the superior art gaining a famous (if questionable victory see Tadashi Nakamuras 'Human face of Karate')the prevalence of Kyokushins signature kick probably originated here.

Mas Oyama was Korean he has studied Korean, Chinese, Japanese martial arts. He included all his knowledge to form his " Idea" of Karate but fundamentally he fitted it all into what he felt was good of the existing Goju and Shotokan styles.

This page contains a number of inaccuracies, as does the discussion below.

Kyokushin was one of the largest styles of karate before the death of Oyama. Following his death there was a significant break-up of the organisation.

Oyama, contrary to folklore repeated here, did not kill any bulls or bears for that matter. He was an outstanding martial arts practitioner who did establish a very vital and popular style. However, like most big organisations, it has fallen afoul of human weaknesses and the perils of associated with the martial arts.

Senior practitioners of the style have been repeatedly rumoured to be linked closely to organized crime (though this is not unusual for many martial arts styles): the yakuza in Japan, organizatziya in Russia and equivalents in other countries. However, this is impossible to verify.

Accordingly, there is considerable mystery or misinformation regarding the style.

The problems may relate from practitioners from various subgroupings of Kyokushinkai volunteering different information.

213.212.1.52 14:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

A so desku ka. As long as you have good references for your information, please feel free to add your views to the article. Cla68 17:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The above is ridiculous. Taekwondo is taken directly from Shotokan karate, and has, except for the really insane (Yellow Bamboo, the Moo styles, Poekoelan) has the most bs history that they tell the suckers: Taekwondo is two thousand years old, etc etc. It's all bs.

conclusion drawn?

This opening statement:

A very practical method of self defense, Kyokushin is deeply rooted in the philosophies of self-improvement, discipline and hard training.

The front part A very practical method of self defense, is drawing a conclusion rather than putting forth a citable reference of information. Especially since the word 'very' is put in for emphasis. It is inappropriate for wikipedia articles.

It should be ammendedRCHM 01:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Very true, edited, better? --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 09:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

KYOKUSHIN TODAY

I've removed a section in "Kyokushin Today" for the simple reason that this could be argued vehemently by many of the broken Kyokushin organizations. The previous writer, definitively from IKO1 gave his personal and biased opinion on the matter with his own reflection which is not a Wikipedia way of informing the reader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.89.230 (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed this section:

"One of these self-proclaimed successors, a young and skilled student of Oyama's named Akiyoshi Matsui, claimed that he personally owned the intellectual rights to all Kyokushin trademarks, symbols, and even the name Kyokushin. However, the Japanese legal system subsequently ruled against Matsui in this matter (as he had nothing at all to prove his false claim), returning the ownership of Oyama's intellectual property to his family. To this day, Matsui and his followers continue to claim he is the successor although this claim is backed by nothing but the hearsay of a handful of (coincidentally) Matsui's business partners and followers. The future of the organization following Matsui is in jeopardy, however, as Matsui has relinquished his Japanese citizenship in favour of US citizenship and now resides full time in New York where he no longer practices Kyokushin Karate. He returns to Japan from time to time."

Reason being that this is unimportant to single out Matsui as to other organization claiming to be the rightful heir of Kyokushin. One could accuse Midori, Matsushima, Royama etc... to name a few. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.129.38 (talk) 03:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed the following:

"Various other organizations have stemmed from Kyokushin and teach similar techniques but go by different names. For example, in 1976, ten years after having been sent to the USA by Oyama to teach Kyokushin Karate, one of Oyama's top students Tadashi Nakamura founded Seido karate in the United States. Like Kyokushin, Seido students greet each other and acknowledge instructions by saying "Osu". Unlike it, Seido does not place a strong emphasis on full contact and students do not spar at all until reaching at least 6th kyu. Also, numerous dojos throughout the world claim to teach a Kyokushin curriculum without formal connection to the organization."

First, it is redundant to point again that other organization use the name Kyokushin. "Osu" is not only common in Kyokushin but in other Japanese martial arts. This page is about Kyokushin. Not about Seido, Kenreikai, ShinKyokushin etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.129.38 (talk) 04:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Why do people use Wikipedia as a directory of dojos? This is also totally bias as every dojo and leader named in the comments are from IKO 1. Let's make a very strong point here: Matsui was never the successor of Mas Oyama which explains the rift within the organizations.

I have removed the following:

"The Kyokushin Kaikan branch in Hawaii is managed by its International Committee Chairman, Shihan Bobby Lowe. Its New York branch is managed by its International Committee Office member, Shihan Katsuhito Gorai. Shihan Joe Hamamoto controls its Long Beach, California branch. Branch Chief, Taku Nakasaka, oversees its Los Angeles branch. Brian Bastien manages the Studio City branch, which is also located in California. Leslaw Samitowski operates its branch in Chicago. Its Canada branch chiefs are Shihan Stuart Corrigal, Carl Choo-Yik and Andre Gilbert.

Sosai Mas Oyama's successor, Kancho Shokei Matsui, frequently travels to various tournaments held throughout the world. Its 6th World Open Karate Tournament held in Japan, composed of 168 fighters from all over the world with over 25,000 attendees." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.129.38 (talk) 03:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

There was not kickboxing then only Muaythai.

So why say that kumite came from Kickboxing which was first used by kyukushin promoter irrespectively to Muaythai.People just copy other style and give new name,new marketing and be the founder of a new money making organization. Kickboxing in USA used the same method.If someone calls Karate other name,It would not be nice,would it? So just say kyokushinkai kumite came from Muaythai would be much more appropriate ----Whywonder (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Dojo affiliation

Would it be permissible if I added some of the various kyokushin factions (dojo affiliations) that exist (ie IKO & IFK)?--Bacturin (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

"Hardness"

Does any other martial arts page have a "hardness" entry in the infobox? I get that we're proud of it, but it seems like an unnecessary addition to the box when a few other items might be missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.60.220 (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

notability

it appears to me that someone from the Kyokushin organization has target karate style that branched off of kyokushin for not meeting notability guidelines. which is pure bs. if the styles branching off from kyokushin doe meet notability standards, then kyokushin does not either. looks like a marketing ploy to me, and wikipedia is not suppose to be a marketing tool, rather an informational tool. shidokan, ahshihara, seido juku and enshin, all breakoffs of kyokushin have been target for deletion because of notability. Pure bs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.171.122 (talk) 15:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

osu.may nem is mohsen ahmadvand.lran