Talk:Atlanta

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History of Atlanta 2000-2010

I have made some deletions in this section. It had an entire paragraph about young people moving into Downtown Atlanta and surroundings but was completely missing some other facts such as:

• all public housing demolished
• 2000-2010 most suburban growth in outer counties beyond Cobb & Gwinnett
• 2008 recession - economy hard hit, empty condos

In order to mention these other important trends and create some balance, I shortened the details about young people moving in and cultural offerings:

• deleted "45 new restaurants opened Downtown from 2008 to mid-2011." - restaurants open in many parts of Atlanta, and the suburbs, this doesn't really say enough.
• "From 2000 to 2009, the three-mile radius surrounding Downtown Atlanta gained 9,722 residents aged 25 to 34 holding at least a four-year degree, an increase of 61%

I undid your revision because it has some major flaws.

• Destruction of projects - eh, not really that notable, and this is still ongoing and started in the early 90s.
• Suburban growth does not belong on the Atlanta page - the Metro Atlanta page is the proper place for that.
• 2008 Recession - Hasn't every city in America been hit hard? The real estate market crashed everywhere. This goes without saying it affected Atlanta.

The 2000s was a decade of enormous change for Atlanta, and that is what the decade is known for. Just as the 1960s is only talked about in terms of civil rights. Not every trend from every decade can be included. Your agenda is showing again.--Mmann1988 (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I am putting most of it back for the following reasons:

• the systematic removal of all public housing from a city is, in my opinion of major importance, and after further research you are correct it started in 1994. It did mostly stop in 2010 as the HOPE IV act expired then.
• I do think it's of relevance to the City of Atlanta that growth of *its* region is in the exurbs, I can make the mention more brief though
• I think the mention of the recession is brief and relevant - the condo glut is relevant, it has really been affecting us Intown; yet the restaurants/nightclubs/etc. are still flourishing despite that, that is also a relevant fact
• Putting back that very lengthy text which just goes on and on about restaurants and the exact percentages of growth in college educated 25-34 year olds is totally out of balance. I know you are trying to keep a theme here, but that is just way too much. You can't just have a theme for each decade and then leave out important trends that don't fit into the decade's one theme.
• Please stop personal attacks. You know that it's not appropriate on Wikipedia. Am I harping on race simply because I find the razing of all the public housing important? I think that's completely normal when you live *in* the city and that is something that impacts you as a city resident in a huge way. Quite different than what is relevant to people in the suburbs whose picture of the city is a caricature limited to the trendy restaurants, cultural and sports facilities and airport. Please go have a look at all the articles I've done in the last few days on antebellum Atlanta buildings. It may make you feel better. Keizers (talk) 01:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I restored it to the status quo as Wikipedia protocol is to discuss changes before implementing them.

• The public housing removal is ongoing, so it really should not be in the history. There is an entire subsection devoted to ongoing gentrification, and THAT is where the public housing removal should go, as that is why it is signifigant.
• We have tried very hard to keep information about Metro Atlanta and the suburbs out of Atlanta's page. I just don't see how the growth of Forsyth County has relevance on Atlanta's page. Why don't you add your info to Metro Atlanta where it belongs.
• Recession - Fine, if you really think that is necessary.
• Restrautants - I have no problem taking out the exact number. The point is that Atlanta's dining scene has become very sophisticated and refined compared to what it was in 2000, and that should remian.
• Young People - These are statistics and they are important. Statistics provide a factual basis for the assertion. New young residents + New Restauarsnts and Bars + New Cultural offerings is by far the most notable historical aspect of the 2000s, and those stats support it.
• I am not personally attacking you--I just think some people are VERY bothered by what Atlanta has become in recent years. They want the old Atlanta back, the crime-infested, non-diverse, declining 1990s Atlanta and want the Wikipedia article to reflect that. but that is NOT reality. This is the NEW Atlanta.--Mmann1988 (talk) 01:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I give up (for now). I see some of your points, but the fact is that the paragraph is still an extremely wordy, obsessive essay on these young people and the cultural offerings and the restaurants. If that's all that's happened in Atlanta 2000-2010 is some sort of chamber of commerce picture postcard. Let me tell you something that will surprise you, I AM one of these gentrifying folks who lives Intown and enjoys all those things to the max! I just don't think that's the only thing going in in the past decade. It does not reflect the reality of everyday life intown - which is all of those wonderful amenities, but also things like all the public housing going away... transportation or lack thereof ... condo gluts... the relationship to the region...etc. History is not just restaurants, art museums.

And there is a damn typo which is still in there about a "tree" mile radius.

Last point, it de-legitimizes the whole argument about young professionsals to talk about the number of restaurants in Downtown. Downtown? Come on. Downtown is still for visitors and the very rare Fairlie-Poplar pioneer. These young people are enjoying restaurants in Midtown, the Old Fourth Ward, Reynoldstown, Cabbagetown and East Atlanta! Keizers (talk) 02:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Atlanta

Currently, the primary pronunciation of Atlanta is listed as ətˈlæntə, for those who do not know IPA this translates to UT-LAN-TUH. I have lived in the city for all my life and I've never heard anyone pronounce the first sound in the word as an UH combined with pronouncing the T near the end of the word. No one pronounces it this way, not the government, the press, no one in the city or surrounding area. Having the primary pronunciation be such a bizarre pronunciation is confusing and strange. Someone commented that you wouldn't have NEW YAWK as the primary pronunciation for New York, but both of those words, New and York, existed before the city did and standard pronunciation applies. Atlanta is a proper noun in its own right and the local pronunciation æt'lænə should be used. Having it any other way is as weird as having ɛdən'bɚg (Edun-berg) be the proper pronunciation of Edinburgh. 98.192.76.96 (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)