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World city rank Comment[edit]

In the lede, the sentence Atlanta is considered an "alpha-" or "world city", ranking 15th among world cities and sixth in the nation with a gross domestic product of $270 billion. is not supported by the cite (neither the 15th (world) nor the sixth (national) rank. According to the cite the correct rankings are 45th in the world and eight in the U.S. I've corrected the rankings to reflect the cite (a 2012 ranking). I am adding a belated sig to this post I made January 18, 2015 (to assure archiving).Neonorange (talk) 04:06, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Temporary protection request[edit]

Hi,

I've noticed quite a bit of vandalism on this page. Perhaps an admin could set autoconfirmed protection for 2 weeks or something?

Thanks,
Enigma

[ EnigmaLord515 (talk) 00:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC) ]

Hi EnigmaLord515 - on the top of your screen there should be the letters TW, hover over them and a drop down menu should appear. One of the choices should be "RPP" (which stands for Request Page Protection). You can click that and give admins your reasons for the request. Onel5969 TT me 02:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Um, I don't see 'TW' OR 'RPP'. I checked via CTRL+F and inspect element, but that didn't help. What are you talking about?
[ EnigmaLord515 (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2015 (UTC) ]
EnigmaLord515 - Hmmm. Perhaps it's something you need to download. On the top of the page towards the right, there are: "Read"; "Edit"; "New Section"; "View History". After view history there is the "star" so you can add the page to your watchlist, then "More". "TW" shoule be between "more" and the search window. It stands for "Twinkle". If you go to your "Preferences", there is a tab marked "Gadgets". The first section is labeled "Browsing". In that section, about 2/3 of the way down is "Twinkle". Click on it, then save. After you save, you need to bypass your cache. After you do that, the TW should appear on your browser header where I describe above. Let me know if that worked for you. Onel5969 TT me 00:11, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Onel5969. It worked!
[ EnigmaLord515 (talk) 00:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC) ]

IPA pronunciations for 'Atlanta' Suggestion[edit]

Recently a editor added a 'local' IPA pronunciation for 'Atlanta', alongside the existing IPA pronunciation. A second editor then removed the local version, calling it slangy. Well, we don't judge material as suitable for WP articles based on our feelings as t what sounds right, nor by how long we've heard 'Atlanta' spoken.

American English pronunciation is certainly not prescriptive. So I recommend we find WP:RS and discuss whether we really want to open this kettle of fish. I came across these edits from my watch list, and found myself running my mouth on Atlanta embedded in several phrases. Depending on the rest of the phrase, I used at least four pronunciations: both t's, first t only, last t only, and no t's at all. For example the Alana Braves are going to the World Series! The prominence ot the two t's varies with phrasing and excitement levels. And certainly there is no one local pronunciation: the city is too diverse by class, nationality, origin, and education. And in the time I've lived in and around Atlanta, the state population has trippled, schools were desecrated desegregated, the African-American Civil Rights Movement occured, and the diversity of the Atlanta area expanded greatly. As best I can hear my usual pronunciation, the first 't' gets swallowed between the A and the lan; just not enough time to get more than a hint of a 't' as the toung goes forward to begin 'lan'; and the finial sound becomes 'na', with scant time for a real tip of the toung 't'.

I think if any iIPA pronunciation goes back in, it should be supported by a reliable source that makes specific reference to the pronucation of Atlanta. — Neonorange (talk) 08:46, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

My take: is that the first "t" is almost always a hard consonant pronunciation emphasized by the accentuation on the first syllable, and the pronunciation of the second "t" is invariably softer but still present. Pronouncing the word as "Atlanna" (or "Alanna") is just wrong, and does not not represent standard spoken English. In the absence of a reliable source that suggests the mispronounced "Atlanna" version is regionally predominant, it should be omitted. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:55, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, our difference in 'take' is why I took both IPA's out. The added 'local' IPA had no RS citation, and the original also had none. English is not a prescriptive language—a single IPA is neither sufficient or necessary. Best to go bare—cf New York City, Atlantic Ocean, Atlantis... — Neonorange (talk) 17:32, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Interesting site (Oxford University Press) [[1]] wherein the audible pronunciation given for Atlanta has, to my ears, little, if any, evidence of the first 't', but a very definite second 't', for North American English. That final 't' isn't going to survive when the speaking rate moves above 300 wpm. So I'm good with no IPA and open to discussing alternatives.
The correct pronunciation of the city's name in standard English so closely tracks its simple spelling that I really see no need for an IPA pronunciation guide. This is not a Native American, French or Spanish-originated or influenced place name that has been corrupted or evolved in modern English like Arkansas, Biloxi, Chattahoochee, Illinois or New Orleans. In this case, I think the IPA is redundant. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Good idea. — Neonorange (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
What is the argument against including both, similar to other cities that can be pronounced in multiple ways, such as Chicago?--Mmann1988 (talk) 23:51, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
As stated above by Dirtlawyer1, IPA isn't necessary in this case. Also, as above, a list of multiple specific pronunciations is unnecessary (where to stop, where to find and how to judge RS). And, as above, see New York City, Atlantic Ocean, and Atlantis. In the case of Chicago, the two IPA's given are so close as to beg the same solution—neither. — Neonorange (talk) 01:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Why is there deletionism on Atlanta transportation infrastructure?[edit]

Editor User:BilCat has deleted the following without explanation from the Atlanta article. Atlanta's transportation infrastructure comprises a complex network that includes a heavy rail intercity passenger line, several freight rail lines, a rapid transit system, a streetcar line, multiple interstate highways, the world's busiest airport, and over 45 miles (72 kilometres) of bike paths. Additionally, proposals are underway for utilizing the network of rail lines to create a commuter rail system for the region.

Editor User:BilCat gave no rationale in the edit summary; nor did editor User:BilCat give a rationale on this talk page for his deletion. Yet, the facts in the deleted section are there. See for example this reference: www.georgiarail.org/, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Rail_Passenger_Program . Dogru144 (talk) 23:58, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I did give a valid rationale: Unsourced, which was correct. Another editor partially restored the info. What exactly is your remaining issue? (I'm assuming the diff I cited is the one you have issue with, as you didn't even give a date for the edit in question.) - BilCat (talk) 00:12, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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