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Princess William [Arthur Philip Louis]?
Okay, well I brought this up months ago when I tagged it as needing verification, but we still have no source for calling Catherine "Princess William Arthur Philip Louis" - all the sources call her "Princess William". I left it tagged for months in the hopes that someone would find a source, but as it as yet to happen, I went ahead and removed the material in keeping with the policies of WP:BLP and WP:V. If someone can find a source saying that she takes on his full middle names along with "William" please please cite it and re-add the material, but for now, we have to err on the side of caution as this is a BLP and not include any material that cannot be verified, especially after it had been tagged as such for months. Thanks. --Zoeydahling (talk) 15:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. With the greatest respect, did you try to look for a reference? When I Googled "Her Royal Highness Princess William Arthur Philip Louis" I got 48,600 results. Was relatively easy to grab one of those sources and re-add the information to the article. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did, actually. In searching for ["Princess William Arthur Philip Louis" -wiki], the first few pages, at least, contained sources that could hardly be considered reliable (blogs, tumblrs, "tags" on websites, etc.). In fact, back when the titles were announced, and for months afterwards, there wasn't a single source that used his middle names as part of the title, which leads me to wonder if the usage has come from seeing it on Wiki as opposed to it being the actual truth. The site you added actually flat out credits wiki (and its various forum users) for its information (see here), which makes the information self-referential, and thus hardly a reliable source. I'm still really hoping that we can find something. I'll continue searching, and I hope you will join me, but until we find something that is up to standards, we can hardly include contentious information in a BLP. I'm going to go ahead and remove the information again, but as soon as a good source can be found, by all means, I certainly have no objection to the information being re-added. I just want to make sure we are adhering to the WP:BLP, WP:V and WP:RS policies. Thanks. --Zoeydahling (talk) 23:41, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about her taking on the middle names, but I'm pretty confident that she is not Princess anything yet and will not be until Prince William becomes Prince of Wales, at which point she will become Princess of Wales (as Camilla technically became when she married Charles, but out of respect for Diana she uses another title in everyday use; I doubt there will be much controversy over Kate taking on the title from Diana when the time comes). 68.146.80.110 (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Last name controversy
The original discussion on this as been archived, but I still think some discussion needs to be added as to why the media continues to refer to her incorrectly as Kate Middleton, despite the indisputable reliable source - the Royal Family itself, via its website - indicating she is not so named anymore. With celebrities, we use maiden names - and married names - only when they are used professionally (i.e. Roseanne Barr became Roseanne Arnold professionally during her marriage to Tom Arnold, later reverting to Barr after she divorced; Portia De Rossi is legally Portia Degeneres following her marriage to Ellen, but she continues to use De Rossi professinally; Michelle Robinson became Michelle Obama and is never referenced by her maiden name; and of course some like Hilary Rodham-Clinton (and at one time Courtenay Cox-Arquette) go the double last name route. But none of this applies with Kate, yet the media insist on perpetuating this factual error - I actually got into a dispute with the editor of a magazine I contribute to regarding this; she insisted on "Kate Middleton" despite it being wrong "because that's the style" I was told. I nearly asked for my credit to be changed to Alan Smithee as a result of that. 68.146.80.110 (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
