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→ On the eleventh day of Christmas, my true love gave to me...
11 Pipers Piping
10 Lords-a-Leaping
9 Ladies Dancing
8 Maids-a-Milking
7 Swans-a-Swimming
6 Geese-a-Laying
5 Golden Rings
4 Calling Birds
3 French Hens
2 Turtle Doves
A Partridge in a Pear Tree
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— Today's Motto of the Day

Trouted

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: because your user page asked me to. And the pixies were egging me on. -- roleplayer 16:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I stand trouted... Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Happy 2012 !!!
Dear Salvio,

May the Year to Come Bring You Great Happiness.

Very Best Wishes,

SuperMarioMan 02:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC) [reply]

ANI discussion

Hello. There is currently a discussion at ANI regarding a matter in which you have been involved. —Scheinwerfermann T·C04:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

mail

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Puffin Let's talk! 11:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your request on my talk page

I did strike my comments as you requested here. But I am curious: Why did you not ask User: Nobody Ent to strike his baseless accusations against User:Deb that she implied that editors were "stupid or lying" [1]? --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because I wasn't online... I spent my New Year's Day away from my computer and I'm now catching up... [By the way, thanks for striking your comment, it's much appreciated!] Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Al right, but you are online now. Could you ask User:Nobody Ent to strike his baseless accusation against Deb? --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I mistakenly thought you were referring to the bits that had already been stricken, I'm sorry. I've now left a message on his talk page too. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Salvio. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 17:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Your request on my talk page

Thanks. I've replied on my talk page. Leaky Caldron 14:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. If he had not been an Admin. (who should know better) I would have left it. There is a discussion on his talk page where I explained why his question was, in my opinion, inappropriately worded. Leaky Caldron 15:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've read it; now let's see Boing's reply... My aim would be to try and get you two to talk to each other and not at each other, because I consider you both great editors and I believe it was just a bad case of reciprocal misunderstanding... Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the contentious bit out of respect to your request and the difficult job you have on this. Leaky Caldron 16:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:47, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 02 January 2012

Clerking

Hello Salvio. I noticed quite a few redactions from various editors when I checked the Malleus evidence talk page this morning, and after looking at their talk pages I see why. I just wanted to drop by and offer you a sincere thank you for raising the level of discourse and encouraging people to set aside unnecessarily provocative and confrontational phrasings. Clerking seems to me like it might be a somewhat thankless job, but in your case certainly thanks are due. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words, 28bytes! I really appreciate them! Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please strike my evidence, or do whatever is customary. I am no longer pursuing the matter.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks for your message. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request for clerical help

Rather than expending your time to break apart threaded discussion (I know it is the convention, but the conversation becomes harder to follow), could you have a look at the substantial issue I raised about Pedro? I feel guilty about making you clean up my threads. If you stop, I will do it myself. Many thanks. Jehochman Talk 14:35, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've hatted the conversation and left a message on Pedro's talk page. That was clearly inappropriate and a blatant personal attack; let's see what Pedro's reply is. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. If any of my comments need formatting, moving or refactoring, please ask me to do it and save your time. Jehochman Talk 15:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. And next time I'll be glad to ask you. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Graffitti

What is the big red X on your user page? Do you know its there? Is it graffitti or did you spill red paint? Just curious...Ive never seen that before. Buster Seven Talk 17:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reaper Eternal (talk · contribs) came up with it, though we stole the design. HurricaneFan25 — 17:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What he said. Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Add me to that list! — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 07:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hodwy Cymru! Long time no see! Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:18, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeahh! Took some time off Wikipedia after getting back to the States because I was so overwhelmed with school! Things have quieted down (well, a bit), so I'm baaaack 17:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Glad things have calmed down a bit, though I'm gladder (eww) to se you back! Now let's get back to work... Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Salvio giuliano. You have new messages at Calabe1992's talk page.
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Calabe1992 15:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Salvio giuliano. You have new messages at Arunsingh16's talk page.
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Hello, Salvio giuliano. You have new messages at DoverGwiki362's talk page.
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User:Ikonoblast

Support appreciated, thanks - I was trying to be as lenient and uninvolved as I can, because I work in an admin capacity on a number of India-related articles -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Ikonoblast was behaving disruptively and had to be blocked! Besides, your work as an admin in that general area is both incredibly needed and always professional. Personally, I try to keep an eye on India-related articles, but sadly I don't have enough time... Salvio Let's talk about it! 20:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Grateful for those words of support too, thanks - and even half an eye for half an hour is welcome any time :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Will not stand

Please review [2]. Thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was already about to write Pedro a short note... I really appreciate you chose to ask a clerk to intervene! Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Double-checking

Hi Salvio, I was wanting to make sure that I didn't place a comment in an inappropriate place concerning the current ArbCom Civility (Malleus) case. Is this the correct place for stating observations? Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 03:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a general comment on the case, you can place it there, but I fear it'll get very little attention; so, it would not be inappropriate, but, instead, a bit superfluous, perhaps. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. In that case would the following be appropriate for the evidence page?
I feel that some of the evidence presented is off the mark.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 16:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it believe this comment would be appropriate on the evidence page. Please note however that this is my personal opinion... Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:58, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is an interesting observation, and definitely worth noting as evidence. However, may I suggest that the term "strawman argument" (misrepresenting an opponent's position, then arguing against that) is not particularly accurate here? "Off-base" perhaps?
In my own view, the relevance of variations in English language usage is clear from the extensive way they has been discussed from multiple viewpoints. Consequently, the issue may have influenced editors and admins in their comments and actions, through perceptions or misperceptions, irrespective of the nationality of the editors themselves.
I agree with you that views centered on "blam[ing] Americans" are inappropriate, and would hope such views are marginal, and opposed by the vast majority of reasonable editors. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I recommend taking care that you do not yourself construct a straw man argument in response! All the best, Geometry guy 21:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pleased to see this evidence has now been presented. I originally stopped by here to encourage Salvio in his commendable clerk work: so, Salvio, please continue your excellent efforts to keep all of the RfArb pages on track, moving or hatting comments accordingly. I have been very impressed by your politeness and tenacity. Geometry guy 00:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I must say, when this case opened, I was a bit worried things would turn ugly, but all participants have been on their best behaviour so far. Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A thank-you

(edit conflict)?-Thanks for watching over me. Sorry that vandal is so persistent against you. It got two others to attend to my talk page very helpfully and I've thanked them. Maybe I can take some heat off for you, since this kind of thing no longer matters to me. Let him vandalise all he wants, you have much more to lose so I'll be his target a while. Djathinkimacowboy(yell) 04:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've left the above so you can see what happened. I tried to leave this post, the computer hung up a good while, and now look at it. Is this something someone else is doing to us? Djathinkimacowboy(yell) 04:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not having any issues, but something obviously is wrong here. Calabe1992 04:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Right, Calabe1992, that's what I mean- no other problems anywhere else. But here, bang. Poor Salvio, this creepy "editor" really has an ax to grind. Djathinkimacowboy(yell) 05:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what happened here, I'm not the most computer literate person around. Regarding our friend the vandal, you're welcome. I've got your page on my watchlist, so when I'm online I can catch him quite quickly. And I want to thank you for proposing to be his target for a while! I really appreciate it, but don't worry, it's not necessary. He doesn't bother me: I block and, if he perseveres, I just protect my talk page. You know the old adage, sticks and stones... Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This vandal should be blocked permanently. Looking at your page history it's clear you've been harassed beyond belief. Is there any way of blocking or tracing him ArmadilloEater (talk) 15:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, ArmadilloEater. This was a tough decision for me to raise the issue, but what about a range block for the vandal? Clearly, not being an admin, I don't know if I am on track, but if there's to be any hope... or else I'd recommend indefblocking.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 06:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, see he's been up to his tricks again this morning, trolling both Djathinkimacowboy and Salvio Giuliano, this guy is a serious jerk and needs stopping immediately. I'd suggest a range block and something that stops him from impersonating respected editors. ArmadilloEater (talk) 10:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is this??

Salvio, firstly let me thank you for covering my back, with all the weird vandalism flying round. I'm wondering about this[3] (I've never seen a diff that states "You cannot view this diff because one or both of the revisions have been removed from the public archives. Details can be found in the deletion log for this page.") and this[4]. Here[5] I managed to find some explanation... what's going on here? Favonian, I am CC'ing you with this post to my good protector Salvio.Djathinkimacowboy (talk) 04:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)Wikipedia:Revdelete. If it was really offensive or insulting, or too disruptive, it's hidden from public view using revdelete. The username can be hidden as a part of that.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:43, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I certainly have no problem with standard Wikipedia practice- I only question whether it is a wise thing to hide this kind of awful act. How can we track the perpetrators if we are hiding things? Besides, as for me, there's nothing I haven't heard before.Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 05:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Admins can always view it. After all, they are the ones making the blocks of the vandals.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly. But they are not always free enough to note these things in the first place- it is up to the vigilant editor to assist with that part. Salvio, chime in when you can. I wish my comments to be directed at you and not to be holding conversations with another editor on your talk page. And please, please do not misunderstand me... but I do not like the idea of admins doing that kind of unilateral action on my talk page. I have a right to see what that vandal wrote. It's not like I'm going to cyberslit his cyberthroat! --Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 07:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Jasper is one of my talk page watchers, he was contributing with some helpful piece of advice, considering I was not immediately available. That said, Jasper's correct; when an edit is revdeleted, admins can still view it; and, since only particularly disruptive edits are revdeleted, the idea is that the target of the attack will not mind it it is redacted. In this case, our friend created a username attacking you and left a nasty attack on your userpage. Nothing worth seeing, really... Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mail

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Help

Hello Salvio, I noticed that you placed a template on User talk:Clignett73. Right now I use Template:Wel..come to advice new users. Can you please tell me how can I use the template you used as I find it very useful? Thanks in advance. Cheers AKS (talk) 11:34, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's my welcome template of choice, , to post it on someone's talk page, you just have to type {{subst:WelcomeMenu}}. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:39, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orban

Hi, why did you take off Viktor Orban from the list of the modern dictators in Europe? He is a really dictator, the whole world press is full with this fact. Best regards varcsabika (Csaba Varga from Hungary) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varcsabika (talk • contribs)

Actually, I did not remove Orban's entry from the article; I merely semi-protected the page, because many users kept inserting him in without having discussed the issue. If you believe Orban should be added, you should please start a thread on the article's talk page and try to get a consensus to do so. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


So, it will be never consensus, when the party of Orban (Fidesz) can remove the name of their leader from the list. Orban is dictator in Europe for the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/06/hungary-democratic-dictator-europe), The Economist (http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2010/12/hungarys_media_law), The NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/opinion/hungarys-backward-slide.html?_r=1&ref=viktororban, and all of the leader media in the world. The ZDF mad made a film for children to show how the government of Orban build down the democracy in Hungary http://videa.hu/videok/nagyvilag/zdf-magyarazza-az-alkotmanyt-alkotmanyozas-kormanyellenes-tuntetes-Nkd7sgWCd97wsXuo . Finantial Times: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/306d5342-36db-11e1-b741-00144feabdc0.html

Please do not hate me; help needed Fedora

I wish to ask whether you'd help me monitor the article, especially since you helped so much with Porkpie hat. No one caught this massive edit[6] until I saw it and fixed it. It was not too bad in a couple of its points, but the rest was unconstructive and immature. I need help with this, because the other two editors who like giving me a hard time don't seem to care when anybody else edits this! Please assist from time to time?--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 15:34, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article is on my watchlist and I'm keeping an eye on it; I'll try to provide as much help as I can, although I cannot really guarantee much, as I'm rather busy both on-wiki and off-wiki... Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:39, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciated and it is OK. That means nothing compared to the problem I have, see sec. below which was supposed to be a happy thing.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With the deepest honor and greatest pleasure:

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For the work done at various articles and for the heroic protection of a fellow editor! --Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Barnstar of Diplomacy
The best diplomat is the one who shows no fear when fear is the Other's desire, and shows no mercy toward the Other's wickedness. --Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Um, this magically appeared beneath my awards... is it for you, or is it our 'friend' again?? I'll leave it for you to see. Looks like Thai.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal?

OK, this seems to be a problem with Thailand, or so it seems. I place this here as a general alert and not only for you Salvio: Following that mysterious link th:แม่แบบ:ดาวนักการทูต, which appeared automatically when I presented Salvio with awards, we come to this[7], which translates as "The Diplomat barnstar". I want this examined for vandalism, and the editor responsible to be indefblocked.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does this[8] mean something? It is a user page and talk, the whole tamale, in Thai. I did not create that. I would like this stopped. This is very creepy.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's just the welcome message a bot left you, because, visiting a page on the Thai Wikipedia, you automatically created an account there (it's the so called WP:SUL); regarding the stray wikilink to th.wiki, it's actually quite useful when on Template:Diplomacy Barnstar, because it indicates that the very same barnstar is available on that project too. It got on my talk page because of a minor error made in this edit; I've just corrected it. Many thanks for the two barnstars! They're most appreciated! I'm about to add them to my collection. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PHEWWWWW! Nearly fell off me twig because of that. Figures Thai is one of the languages I can't read and do not speak.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 16:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, neither can I, but I love Google translate... Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh!

My bad! (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...And I was suspecting an innocent page creator... Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Off2riorob's false accusation

he's alleging I was blocked over Singaporean politics. No such block ever occurred. He insists on restoring that particular statement when I try to remove it. elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 21:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then tell him he's wrong, don't edit his comments. That'll just inflame the discussion further. By the way, to say you were blocked over Singaporean politics is not in any way a ruthless personal attack... Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:54, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is if it is patently false...Off2riorob removes talk page comments all the time -- I don't see how this is any different. elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 21:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, it may just be a honest mistake. Your actions in that topic area have been the subject of discussion in the past, after all... That said, as a rule of thumb, an editor can only remove comments from his own talk page; if one does that elsewhere he can be reverted and warned. Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could you then explain his confrontational behaviour at Talk:Teo Ser Luck? (You can check the talk page history). Why is this rule selectively applied against me but not him? elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 22:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that appears rather inappropriate too, but I wasn't aware of it and, to tell the truth, it's incredibly stale now... Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:12, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not stale considering that Off2riorob insists on continuing his petty vendetta with me. There are many other examples where he has done this. This is why I sought ANI help. Could you please reopen the ANI discussion? elle vécut heureuse à jamais (be free) 22:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, because in this case you don't have anything actionable and an ANI thread would only cause a lot of good old drama, without accomplishing anything, because Rob has done nothing wrong in that BLPN thread. Please, heed my advice: do something else for a bit, unwind. Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:26, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I support Salvio's close on ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 00:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You may be interested in this discussion on ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, many thanks! Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Impersonation of me

Thanks for blocking the rather poor impersonator of myself earlier today. I thought about raising the issue and decided that it was not worth the effort. But if you're prepared to put in that effort as you did, then that suits me just fine :) - Sitush (talk) 22:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it only took two clicks of the mouse, not what I'd call burdensome. Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Not being one of those privileged with the mop, I was unaware of how much physical effort it takes. The exercise of your digits is nonetheless appreciated, and it takes some brain cell effort also. I am expecting numbers [username]3 to, well, infinity + 1 to appear in due course. Such is life. - Sitush (talk) 03:06, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fedora and I could use your help

Salvio, the reappearance of an old familiar vandal under a new IP [9], [10] has prompted me to come directly to you, and ask what to do.

Could you protect this page permanently? If you had time, you could look at the instances this idiot has tried to put Michael Jackson into the article over the months, probably going back more than 3 months. A clear and present vandalism danger that will not stop unless he is stopped. Thank you.--Djathinkimacowboy vandals' playground 06:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sal, I think we have this fixed OK.--Djathinkimacowboy SPEAK! 07:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I had a peek from the sidelines and I'm really glad this worked out for the best! Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

S0aasdf2sf and Katarighe

I see that you declined K's attempt to have S's userpage deleted. Now that you've blocked K, do you mind if S's userpage is deleted? I'm strongly inclined to delete everything K's created under G3, since imposter behavior is vandalism in my eyes. Nyttend (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, "impersonation" — I couldn't think of a verb form of "imposter" or a synonym :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to do that, but I got called away from my computer. You're most welcome to do the honours. Salvio Let's talk about it! 01:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, done. I'd appreciate it if you'd return to the ANI thread, since I've kinda-reopened it with a procedural question. Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reza Aslan protection

Thanks. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your assistance, please?

Would you mind contributing a comment here[11]? Please feel free to address any concern at my talk page. Thanks.--Djathinkimacowboy BUCKSHOT 12:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting proposal, but it runs counter to Wikipedia's verifiability requirements; in theory, everyone should be able to check that another editor didn't just make things up, that's why we reliable sources have to be cited. Wikipedia has, sadly, been targeted by pranksters who created elaborate hoaxes, in the past, so I'd be very wary of supporting this proposal... Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You make sense; what you're saying is it could either look like consensus or it could be actual consensus for a practical joke... I never thought of that. Thanks! Saves me much trouble. You always help me see things with better vision.--Djathinkimacowboy BUCKSHOT 12:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another problem, can you help? Attacks on everyone at Asperger Syndrome

The discussion I started [12] is out of control. I feel IP 96.49.3.223 has crossed the line. I'm making a call to action to stop this IP from personal attacks against people with AS. That is what IP is doing and it is insulting as hell. Please address this at the talk page or feel free to visit my talk.--Djathinkimacowboy BUCKSHOT 12:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked this guy's 'tribs and the first thing that caught my attention is that the IP editor has not edited since 02.05 (UTC) on 07.01, so a block is out of the question, as it would be punitive and not preventative (and, besides, the IP will have been probably reassigned in the meantime). Furthermore, in my opinion, that editor did violate WP:CIV, but I don't think he violated WP:NPA, so the only thing I could do, were his edits not stale, would be to issue a warning to tone down a few notches... Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sal, I am still upset about this but I concur. However, I still insist that IP is personally attacking everyone who suffers from that condition. He is lying about what the medical lit says, he is lying about the discoverer of the syndrome. I have to draw the line at this kind of thing, someone coming in attacking personally! Look at it again[13]. It's not good taking the comments out of their original places, but I quote the comments for a reason.--Djathinkimacowboy BUCKSHOT 13:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're quite understandably upset and I agree that what the IP wrote was offensive, but, even if I were to block him now, 36 hours after the fact, what disruption would I be preventing? How could I be sure that I'm actually blocking the person who wrote those things and not another innocent user who happened to be assigned that very same IP to edit? If I were to block, I'd be punishing the guy, which is one of the four big no-nos when it comes to blocking... Blocks are only preventative... Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know that, but what I am asking is for... call it "official commentary" if you like, at the article's talk page, plus a warning on the IP's talk. It is the warning that matters, not finding the identity or punishing the IP! The IP is saying we're retarded and crippled!--Djathinkimacowboy BUCKSHOT 13:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sal, I have a family member who has Down Syndrome. She was just diagnosed with Alzheimer's to top it all off.... Someone was making comments to us that "those mongoloids" aren't worthy to live anyway, they are "just retards". This did NOT happen here. It happened to me and my family. That was an attack on everyone with Down's and their families! All evil words, lies, attacks. It's the same here!--Djathinkimacowboy BUCKSHOT 13:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First, let me give you one "cold" piece of advice: though I understand why you're disclosing this fact here, always remember that my talk page is public and everyone can read what you just wrote and use it... That said, I understand why you're upset and I sympathise! If you accept a slightly cynical suggestion, if you show you're upset, you're feeding the trolls, which, I fear, is all a warning now would accomplish: it would only remind the IP of the mischief he was up to... I have the page on my watchlist, should he or any other come there with bad intentions, I'd be ready to pounce... Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Understood and appreciated. Sal, this

I've removed the insensitive comments and the commentary that followed it (which didn't focus on the article). I've also removed your section on the IP personal attack. There are other forums on WP for discussing editors, but article talk pages are not one of them. Please try to avoid posting complaints on multiple editor talk pages. I've left a comment on the IP's talk page, if that is any use. Try not to let insensitive language get to you. Best to say a brief comment such as "I don't think your comment was sensitive and I feel hurt by it" than to make a big song and dance about it. Cheers, Colin°Talk 14:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

was left on my talk page, and he did indeed delete the entire new thread. Is that an abuse? I thought of doing it myself, but he beat me to it. I'm satisfied with this action if it was called for and I've let Colin know all this.--Djathinkimacowboy keep it short 15:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Might I also ask: can you not delete whatever you wish from your own talk page? I don't care who sees what I post, but I did not wish to mire your talk....--Djathinkimacowboy keep it short
Well, first: on your talk page, you can remove all messages you want, but you cannot modify them. On my talk page, you can remove your messages whenever you wish, if you remove a post in its entirety I just ask you to please leave a [removed] in its place. That said, everyone can remove violations of WP:NOTFORUM per WP:TPNO, though it would be good practice to ask an editor to remove his comments before doing it unilaterally... Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

COI editing

Got a slight problem at User_talk:Vempalligangadhar. The contributor keeps adding content that appears primarily to be self-promotional & POV-y, and has been doing this in spates since last year. Nobody had warned them until today but they're continuing to ignore the messages on their talk page. Could you perhaps have a word? My bet is that you have some sort of stock "friendly" message for such situations. - Sitush (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really have any, but I have left a final warning and watchlisted the article; one more revert and I'll block for edit warring. I'd also report this guy to WP:COIN, however... Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The "one more revert" would be me, on the same grounds as previous - self-promo, pov-y and probably non-notable. As things stand, the user has got their way and probably won't come back for a while. I've never visited WP:COIN & am unsure what it can do, especially when it is likely that the reported user will not engage due to the sporadic nature of their contributions ... but there is no harm in me dipping my toe in that water, I guess! Thanks for stepping in. - Sitush (talk) 17:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adding reflist

Thank you so much! I've been trying to get it right this afternoon.--Clignett73 (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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