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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 74.196.153.73 (talk) at 02:34, 11 February 2012 (→‎Twitter account that spread death rumors has been closed, rumor is a fake). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Picture

Hello, I am sorry if I am posting in the wrong section but there is a free picture of Kim, from Committee for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries of N. Korea. You can find it on their reddit page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.252.203 (talk) 19:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Those are Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il, not Kim Jong Un. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.235.240 (talk) 20:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What, still no picture? Is it just me or is a picture for the most important man in N-Korea a must for this article? Mythic Writerlord (talk) 12:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because we can't use a non-free image, as it falls afoul of our fair-use criteria, and no one has created a free image yet. Maxim(talk) 16:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There must be some free image out there. There is one for his father, too. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 21:52, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No wonder Wikipedia has been losing editors for years. Strict bureaucratic rules and an emphasis on policing over contribution. It would be nice if there was a rule saying that nobody could remove a piece of a fair use media unless they personally can find a free one to replace it, rather than just saying "it must exist somewhere". Not that it will ever happen. I'm probably breaking some WP:POLICY just by typing this out. Esn (talk) 19:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is Wikipedia losing editors? --88.83.35.117 (talk) 06:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Esn; you're always welcome to post. As to your proposal, you are welcome to propose a change to the WP:NFCC policy at WT:NFC. Your proposal would require such a chance, as currently WP:NFCC #1 says "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created" (emphasis mine). Policies have been changed in the past, in fact rather frequently.
  • @88.83.35.117: Wikipedia has been losing editors for years now, yes. Attributing the loss to any one specific reason is misplaced judgment. There are a dizzying array of factors at work. For example, after you're written nearly 4 million articles it becomes harder for people to find new things to write about. Interest in editing wanes. That's just one potential factor. What is unequivocally clear though is that Wikipedia has been for years and remains a top ten web destination. See for yourself. It is also unequivocal fact that the recent fund raising campaign for Wikimedia raised a record amount of money. Success of a project isn't defined solely by how many people edit. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a picture of Kim Jong-un on the Korean Central News Agency website but I'm not sure if I should upload it or not. I saw a copyright notice on the bottom of the site but I'm not sure that counts for the picture too. What should I do? Geofal204 (talk) 13:29, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hyphens in Names

North Koreans do not use hyphens in their names. That is a recent South Korean trend. None of the names of North Koreans on this page should be hyphenated. The Romanization should be as a North Korean would Romanize, and the hyphen should be omitted a a North Korean would omit. The habitual presentation of North Korean names in the South Korean format is rather amateurish and certainly not encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.193.142 (talk) 20:41, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hyphenating Korean names seems to be the "house style", regardless of whether the subject is from the North or the South. The best place to ask this question would actually be at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean). Maxim(talk) 20:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a question, it's an observation of the sloppy and inaccurate nature of Wikipedia. "House style" is great -- except it is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.193.142 (talk) 18:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Images please.

Why are free images on the new leader so hard to come by? --70.179.174.101 (talk) 13:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dynasty or Monarchy...

Would it be fair to refer to the Kim family as a dynasty now? Would it technically be considered a monarchy based on the family succession? -- Alyas Grey : talk 01:08, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like original research. as its called around here. RashersTierney (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many sources refer to to the family's control as a "dynasty". I can post some cites if you like.   Will Beback  talk  01:24, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was really only addressing the latter part. RashersTierney (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A number of sources refer to it as a "Marxist Monarchy", but they aren't as strong as they "dynasty" references.   Will Beback  talk  01:36, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in form it appears to be little different than a monarchy. However, I doubt the country considers itself a monarchy or a dynasty, still shrouding itself in Marxist overtones that have long since been abandoned in reality. It would be NPOV to explicitly state that they are definitively a monarchy, even if their own belief that they are not is, quite honestly, delusional. However, I think it would be OK to point out one of the references you claim to hold that states that it's a "dynasty" or "Marxist monarchy", and say that this individual or organization has pointed out that the country has many similarities to such a system of government.65.0.96.147 (talk) 02:13, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Military Theory

In every picture I've recently seen of Kim-Jong-Un, (Excepting his inaugural portrait), I've noticed he has been grasped quite tightly by at least one military official. After further research, I've discovered an online theory that he is merely a figurehead for the military. I think a theory like this should merit at least one sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.203.14 (talk) 16:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Can someone at to the lead that he died today — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.211.137 (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But Gawker says he is dead: gawker.com/5884033/ So it must be true. What reason they have to lie? 194.86.153.167 (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, Gawker says there's a rumor that he's dead. We don't post rumors here. Acroterion (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is aReuters article that discusses it. I think it deserves some mention, even if unconfirmed. This is highly significant, considering he is a world leader.--Metallurgist (talk) 20:28, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree -- give this a few hours at least. We need at least some kind of response from a credible source (like a North Korean official -- yeah, I know). Whether or not it is significant depends on it being true or not as a precondition; saying it is significant implicitly assumes its true. Remember people come to Wikipedia expecting to find high quality information, not be a tabloid. Qed (talk) 20:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree agree about getting confirmation from a (yeah) credible source. Don't let's hold our breaths. If memory serves, Kin Jong-Il had been dead for two days before the fact was announced. Fatidiot1234 (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 10 February 2012

On February 10, 2012, rumors spread across popular Chinese social media platform Weibo speculated that Kim Jong-un was assassinated.

Glenathon (talk) 20:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 20:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter account that spread death rumors has been closed, rumor is a fake

The Twitter account is closed and the death rumors have been refuted. We can safely put this nonsense to rest. Safiel (talk) 22:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To add, and before anyone has to ask, false death rumours on social networks isn't noteworthy information to include in an article about any celebrity or politician. Thank god for that. 80.202.90.249 (talk) 23:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Depending on how big the rumor gets or if there is any fallout it might be worth putting in the article.
Well now hang on. Closing a twitter account is not proof that the story is false, or true or anything. We need reliable sources no matter which way this gets resolved. Qed (talk) 23:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No confirmation either way that I can find, other than that there is a rumour in China. A rumour isn't fit for en.WP, unless the rumour itself becomes notable (which this one may, or may not). Gwen Gale (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As an update, ABC (the US broadcast network) has blogged, "US officials" are saying the rumour is untrue. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Kim Jong-un assasination rumous sparked by Beijing embassy birthday party (National Post, Canada). Gwen Gale (talk) 01:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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