Talk:Bipasha Basu

Steven Mizhel

Steven Mizhel is spelled incorrectly. It should be Steven Meisel.

Vivek

There is a grammar error in the personal life section. The name Vivek is mistakenly joined with the word before with no space.

Her name

Her name in bengali is displayed wrongly. The i-kar matra should come before 'Ba'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.110.246.230 (talk) 11:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Interview with Bipasha on her birthday

So you could consider this interview a reliable source for her true birthday... http://www.indiafm.com/features/2007/01/11/2069/index.html

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.173.147.242 (talk) 07:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

Bipasha

Hello friends, Bipasha does not mean "deep, dark desire" in bengali or any other language. Bipasha (or Vipasha) means one who has broken the bonds (vi/bi = "anti", pash = bonds). Also, Bipasha is another name for the river Beas that originates from the Himalayas. In fact, the word Beas is a corruption of the word Vipasha/Bipasha. - Language Master

added material

An anon added lots of material, which I edited down severely. I removed severated to be a doctor when she was little? I don't think childhood aspirations count for much in biographies unless they have a connection with one's later life. Ditto the rambling tale about how she met someone connected with the movie industry in a hotel lobby and consequently entered a modeling contest. Zora 21:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello new user!

You left this message:

Come on...if there is a page on Bips, could you guys at least put up her correct birthday???

You put it up after erasing a previous message. Ordinarily, you don't mess with anything on a talk page except stuff that you've contributed. Also, it helps to sign your messages. You can do that by putting four tildes in a row ~~~~. If you're logged in as a user, the software will add a signature for you, replacing the tildes.

So far as we know, that IS the correct birthday. I checked. It's the birthday that's up at IMDB, the Internet Movie Data Base. Could you link to the websites that contradict that? We need some outside proof, you understand -- and then we're going to have to figure out if IMDB got it wrong, or your sites got it wrong. Zora 04:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

To the person who asked me about the proof about her birthday..

OK its RIGHT HERE..

and this is from the Leading Indian Magazine.. KEY WORD "INDIAN" Because she is an INDIAN actress !!

http://movies.indiatimes.com/articleshow/33582456.cms?&right=1&BotLink=1

Another proof:

http://www.indiafm.com/features/2007/01/11/2069/index.html

Bipasha's birthday

After googling, I found a number of sites with the January birthday and some sites with the other birthday (what is it, March?). There were more January sites than March sites. However ... the IMDB is THE standard reference for all movie industries, world-wide, and it is usually quite reliable. I will change to the January date, make a note that there is some confusion, and then ask my gurus on rec.arts.movies.local.indian.

Please don't be upset when you're doubted. It has nothing to do with desi or non-desi, it has to do with references. There are too many people who think it's fun to vandalize Wikipedia by adding bogus info. We have to check. Zora 23:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks soo much

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No i am not upset

but the thing i am most confused about is.. HOW can a VERy Reliable source like IMDB put up a wrong information?

Do u know where did they get the information from ?

I am Very Cofused

Can you please let us know? After you are totally sure from your Gurus?

thanks and take care

I'm never TOTALLY sure -- it's just that the guys hanging out in that Usenet discussion group usually have an answer whenever I have a tough question, and so far, they haven't been proven wrong. There's always a first time, however.

Their most recent feat was to give the titles of all the songs in the song parody sequence in Lamhe, complete with movie title, playback singer, and picturised on.

I don't know how often IMDB gets it wrong, either. If the birth date is wrong, it's the first error I've found. Zora 01:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm i gotcha :)

welll the first time i came around her birth day was.. when they were releasing one of her movie.. "Razz" in January..

So in an article.. it said.." They are celebrating the release of the movie.. Plus Bipasha's Birthday together"

and then the next was IndiaFM or filmfare.. where it said that its on January 7th..

plus On b4utv.com it says 7 january .. on her profile.

But i would like to be Totally sure. Is there any way ?

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With actresses, well, you can't count on them to tell the truth, since they're in business to sell youth. A photocopy of a birth certificate might count -- but of course, photocopies can be "touched up". I guess I'd settle for an investigative reporting piece from a reputable Indian newspaper. YOU tell me which ones are reputable <g>. Zora 01:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello :)

I am back..

So how is it goin ? I was wondering if u got any informations about her birthday from other place?

but as u asked me that I should provide you with the well reputed magazine. Well to my knowledge.. "Filmfare" magazine is the best, because their Award is like the Oscars in India..

and I got her birthday as 7th january from them..

Sorry, I should have gotten back to this. My Usenet gurus said that they didn't know and they didn't know HOW to find out, given that actresses lie about their age all the time. I'll add the Filmfare info to the article. I still hate to contradict IMDB. Zora 11:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a LOT

I will be Waiting for the information..

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Hello.. wondering about..

her birthday.. :)

did u find out anything new?

No. Sorry, busy life, lots of articles. Myself, I think the article is OK as it stands now -- at least people can see the range of answers and figure out who to trust. Not being in India, or knowing anyone in the industry, I really don't know who to approach to get a reliable answer. Given that actresses lie about their age routinely, asking her publicists would be of little use. Zora 22:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Aww i know :) well.. i guess i will try to contact as many people as i can but not sure how. Can you tell me which site to go about?

Dusky

Someone added that Bipasha is "dusky" in appearance. I know what this means, in Indian matrimonial ad-speak (she's somewhat dark-skinned compared to many Bollywood actresses), but this term would be incomprehensible to most Americans. It's also assuming that we have a universally accepted scale of skin color, which I don't think we do. I don't think it's anything worthy of remark. If any remarks are to be made, they should be quotes from some reputable source. The picture seems to be gone ... we need a new picture. A picture allows viewers to draw their own conclusions re skin color. Zora 23:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Her being "dusky" is notable because traditionally Indian film heroines have all been milky-white. It was common belief that a dark-skinned girl could not be successful because she's not considered a beauty. I cannot recall any actress revealing a not-so-fair skin before Kajol, and even Kajol was considered a maverick when it came to traditional moulds of beauty. But yeah, use a different word, but keep it. She has been referred to, and questioned about it a zillion times over. I'll try to dig up a verifiable link online. Anagha 15:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Zora's edits

I looked at some of your previous edits Zora, and with all due respect you do not quite seem to be in touch with Bollywood. It's a well acknowledged fact that she dated Dino Morea. They both have talked about it in interviews. And as for John Abraham, the two of them have even appeared on Kaun Banega Karodpati as-a-couple! They have never denied it! But if you insist I have a link for you.

Secondly - you say her being a Hindu is irrelevant. Really? Isn't this a biographical page? If that's the case, why is her being the second of 3 daughters relevant? Why is her age relevant? Just put "she is an Indian actress" and a filmography!!! Nobody is saying Hinduism is better or worse - it's just a statement - why did it irk you? Anagha 15:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Anagha, take a look at WP:BLP. After the Seigenthaler episode, WP is being extremely careful in what we say about living people. We should not include gossip. Assertions should be referenced. We do not make statements about religion or ethnicity unless it is relevant to the person's public life or career. Bipasha is not known for her religiosity! Far from it. She may have been raised in a Hindu family (though there's no proof for that) but that background doesn't seem to have turned her into a devotee. Unless she goes on record as saying that Hinduism is extremely important to her, she visits her favorite temple weekly, etc., we have nothing to report.

Shez, if she wants to be regarded as an actress and not just a sex symbol, then surely there should be a quote from a reliable source that says as much. Don't put statements in her mouth without proving that she said them! I agree that if she said that, it would be relevant. Also, some quote from a critic regarding her choice of roles, if she has appeared in indie movies requiring acting rather than skin exposure, would help.

As for statements about who is dating whom: WE ARE NOT A GOSSIP COLUMN. If you don't have any proof, you shouldn't be saying that she's dating X, or dumped X, or X dumped her, and so on. It's not just that gossip columnists love to speculate. Movie publicists also have good reason to send out rumours about co-stars becoming romantically involved in real life, as that gets publicity for the movie and might increase box-office receipts. Stars even have good reasons for playing along, if appearing in public with a co-star is going to make them richer or more famous.

Hollywood studios, back in the 20th century, were famous for this sort of thing: they would order stars to appear in public, say at nightclubs and parties, with other stars. The gossip columnists would say that X was dating Y and ticket sales would go up. This tactic was also used as a cover for a number of male stars who were homosexual. Rumors re homosexuality were deflected by carefully arranged "dates" with actresses. Bollywood publicists aren't idiots and they surely use these same tactics. Zora 02:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

What you said about stars "dating" for publicity is true... But then they say that about married couples as well... a lot was said about Tom Cruise & Nicole Kidman, who are as "new" as they come. So much so, that when they split up, the joke doing the rounds was that the kids will now be returned to the prop department of Universal Studios! But what's important to note is, gossips about sham marriages, and homosexuality are also just that - gossip! We have to draw the line somewhere. Let's not believe gossip columns, and managers and producers and publicists... but if we have it from the horse's mouth in an interview, we can believe it. Don't you think? Anagha 13:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

References

I agree that statements like "X dumped Y" are not for an encyclopeadia. But I have provided references for the fact that Bipasha has dated Dino in the past, and is currently dating John. While reverting to and from the gossip, please try to maintain the references. I had dug up a new-article link to verify the trivia about molestation charges as well, but I find it has disappeared again! Anagha 06:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

If I lost the refs, sorry. I think the wording should stay the way it is, but refs should be attached to the names of all the actors she is supposed to have dated. Readers can click to the refs and decide if they believe them or not. Also, it puts the matter in perspective. This is really unimportant stuff! If she gets married, yes, of course. Dating is something else.

As for the molestation charges, yes, a reference. I read about them in Rediff and Sepia Mutiny at the time everything happened, and I have no reason to doubt that "something" happened -- though what it was may never be clear. It's her word against theirs and I'm not sure that she has, or will, press charges in a US court. Zora 06:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I actually don't like keeping Abhishek and Vivek on that "dated" list... There's zero credibility to that claim - no reasonable references, no interviews affirming it, not even reporters questioning the concerned people... Can we drop them altogether? Just keep Dino and John there, with the references, of course. Anagha 13:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed! Zora 17:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Zora, I have a suggestion - for awards, nominations, any other trivia - why don't you add the {{Fact}} tag, instead of removing the line altogether? Anagha 06:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Gossip

All forms of gossip need to be removed. Facts that are shown by reliable sources may be included only. The problem with the birthdate controvsery section is that it is original research based on reading blogs and fan sites. In the absence of any reliable sources, use IMDB (as the best available but not necessarily good) or leave it blank. Also, editing in sections Birthdate controvsery', Fun facts, Trivia is—and I can't think of a nice way to say this—lame. Facts that are interesting and verified should be integrated into the body of the article, not scattered around like breadcrumbs. Facts that are not interesting enough to be added to the main body shouldn't be on the page at all. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. The anonymous editor will be subject to repeated blocking unless he can learn to follow our rather simple rules. Thank you. Thatcher131 02:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, most of the Bollywood articles have trivia, and I've learned to live with it. I'm just on a lonely crusade to make sure that it's not slanderous, or utterly trivial/ephemeral, and that it's referenced. The birthdate controversy is a real problem -- I spent days trying to find out when the actress was actually born. IMDB is not always right -- its content comes from user contributions, as does ours -- and Rediff is actually a reliable source. So when reliable sources contradict each other, I think it's best to call attention to the problem rather than chosing one source over another.

But I'm not going to fuss over the deletions -- I would rather have the article bare than full of material that would hurt Ms. Basu to no good end. There's another editor working here who is actually very good on chasing down references and I imagine that he will be able to restore some of the material, with cites. Thanks very much for your intervention, Thatcher.

The fight against gossip is a constant in the Bollywood-related articles. Many of the intermittent editors seem to believe everything they read in film magazine gossip columns. Zora 03:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad to see the mindless re-re-re-reverting has stopped - thanks folks! And Zora, if by "another editor" you meant me, I should tell you, I'm a "she" not a "he", or a f of the s, as P G Wodehouse would've put it ;) Anagha 06:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh kewl, another gurrrrl :) Zora 08:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection

I've protected the page because an anon IP, and now a new editor, are adding gossip without sources, despite being asked many times not to. Could those editors please explain why they can't find sources for their edits? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

This is missing a protection template. Is this protection permanent or something? 70.55.88.166 14:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Problems verifying her birthdate

• The Internet Movie Database and MSN give the date as May 5, 1979, and the birthplace as New Delhi.
• A supposedly Bipasha-written blog at Rediff.com gives the date as January 7, 1979. So does Filmfare magazine, usually regarded as a reputable source.
• A number of fan sites state that her birthday is January 1 and do not give a year.
• One website, http://www.Kareina.com, gives the date as January 7, 1974 and the birthplace as Mumbai.
• On [1] (a website said to be edited by Bipasha herself) she has said she was born in January.

Her date of birth is 7 January 1979 - sources: [2][3] I don't think there should be any issue in adding it. IMDb and MSN have also updated it.

Deadlyankur 07:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)OTHER AWARDS WON

2003:bollywood award,negative role,jism. 2003:star sabsey favourite kaun. 2002:iifa,face of the year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deadlyankur (talk • contribs) 13:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Supermodel of the World (contest)

Reading the sources more carefully, she just won the India contest, not the worldwide contest.[4] The contest was held to select the Indian representative to Ford Supermodel of the World.[5] The overall winner was Canada's Leanne Spencer. [6] --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 20:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Image

Please add a recent photo of her (with the new bob haircut). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.249.240 (talk) 00:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

IMDB date controversy

IMDb has user-generated content, quite like wikipedia. So info on IMDb should not be considered the last word. Articles on filmfare.com or indiatimes.com are more likely to be accurate. Anagha (talk) 10:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Sex sex and sex

LOL the botton of the article was looking a bit, well.... Is it essential to mention she danced with a bunch of whores LOL? I am sure many many actors have done one thing or another to raise awareness of AIDS in a one off event etc. What do you think, I don't mind either way it just seemed a bit.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal

Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk · contribs) removed sourced information including a perfectly acceptable free image on the basis that the reference is no longer actual for the article. Removing sourced information in such a brutal way, in addition removing a free image is not acceptable. References can be asked for, but long-standing info cannot be removed in such a way. It's like requesting for a daily update of references for a claim that a couple is married. This should not be removed unless new facts are added. Shahid • ^Talk2me 00:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Sananda Tilottama

Did she enter and win this contest, or is this just romor.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion To Change Table's Awars Columns

In Filmography section, I suggest to change the header of the column "Awards" to "Other Notes" as there are some no-award like information - "Tamil Film", "Bengali Film" etc! --Tito Dutta (Talk) 08:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 10:40, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Good!

I forgot to add signature in my last post, I am adding three tildes (~~~) to add the signature. Time remains unchanged. -Tito Dutta (Talk) 12:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)