Talk:Lycurgus

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When was the town or city state of Sparta founded?

It existed in Mycenean times already and is a key player mentioned in the Iliad, but the Dorian conquerors who founded what we think of as "Spartan culture" arrived probably in the 11th century. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citing sources

This page needs to cite sources. I'd re-edit, but i haven't time

Which also doesn't match the current content. 72.228.150.44 (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biography

This whole section has gone without sourcing, and it's quite obvious it is a whole personal opinion. The majority of what's being said in this section is still being debated amongst historians, and the author of this is speaking as if it were definite fact. It needs some SERIOUS editing. -Jezzk (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found the text noteworthy but had a different original take (before the first placement of the tag) and I've adjusted the scope and made the type of the tag specific to the complaint above. My reading was that the author was a modern greek and was recounting their understanding of their own traditional culture. Lycurgus (talk) 14:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pretty sure all of the biography is from Plutarch's 'Greek Lives' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.235.3 (talk) 17:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think some of it goes beyond Plutarch and some of his sources survive I believe, but will remove tag and replace with in-line fact check if no further comment. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 02:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

None having occurred, did remove. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 13:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Influence on modern political philosophy

Certain conservative 19th century writers, such as Jean-Joseph Gaume, have claimed that Lycurgus exercized an influence on modern political philosophy, his legacy being later revived by Enlightenment authors such as Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Voltaire. It would be a good idea if anybody could verify such claims, since they seem to imply that comparatively new ideologies, such as socialism and communism, actually have ancient Greek roots. ADM (talk) 11:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iron money

Nothing about Lycurgus giving the spartans their iron money? 24.36.78.185 (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think in the legendary timeline of the development of Sparta that came after the time of Lycurgus. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 12:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion?

This article should be edited from the floor up or deleted. The article is substantially unsourced (as other contributors to this page have pointed out) and is little more than a medley of legends and folk-tales surrounding Lycurgus, some of which have their origins well outside of the temporal or cultural context of the classical world. There is obviously a place for 'according to speculation in the 19th century' type information within such an article, but such information has to be acknowledged as being ahistorical rather than presented as fact. My view is that allowing this article to remain intact detracts from the integrity of Wikipedia. It's tantamount to presenting 16th century ballads about Robin Hood as verified biographical fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.92.181 (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds almost a little like me but FTR, it's not. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 11:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Lykos" is from IE *wlkwos, which means wolf. Wolves are not named for their "lucid eyes," therefore the final sentence in the "Legends" section should be deleted.