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Alcohol

Davy Jones is listed as a drunk driver, but no information about this offense is provided in the article. Should this reference be removed until evidence can be verified?

Confused...

You know, the Talk page for the actor/Monkee (this one) is also the talk page for the Disney character of the same name. Just wanted to warn ya'--Hailey 16:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

What about his appearance on the Brady Bunch?

I was wondering because I'm watching the episode on TV Land right now.-Giant89 19:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved here from article

Trivia

  • David Bowie's original name was David (Robert) Jones: he changed his name to avoid confusion with Davy Jones, whose career was peaking as Bowie's was beginning.
  • In 1967, both The Monkees and Star Trek were beginning their second seasons on NBC. While the former was quite successful, Star Trek's ratings were sagging. In an attempt to add "teen appeal" to Star Trek, NBC asked Gene Roddenberry to add a new character that looked like one of the Monkees. The result was the role of Pavel Chekov, played by Walter Koenig, who bore a resemblance to Jones at the time. (This was sometimes enhanced with a long-hair wig.)

Citation Help Elf127 (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC) There was a TV Guide article on Star Trek that is the citation for this "Chekov as a Davy Jones type." I was at a Davy Jones concert at the time and got an autograph from him. They guy in front of me had the TV Guide article and told Jones about it. He laughed and said, "That guy looks just like me!" Elf127 (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC) elf127[reply]

  • Jones guest starred in an episode of the television series The Brady Bunch as himself, as well as the spin-off film, The Brady Bunch Movie.
  • Jones appeared in two episodes of The New Scooby Doo Movies and episodes of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! featured songs from The Monkees during chase scenes.
  • In an interview segment aired on the Monkees TV show, Jones claimed that when he had recently flown home to visit his gravely ill father in England, his father had refused to let him in the house due to Jones' long hair. Jones said that he had gotten two haircuts, neither of which satisfied his father. Finally, Jones bought his father a house so his father could not turn him away.
  • In another interview from the show, Jones said he had been touring continuously for six years, since he was fourteen.[citation needed]
  • Jones shares the same birthday (three years apart) with Monkee bandmate Michael Nesmith. He also lived with Nesmith and his family in Hollywood, in the early Monkees days.
  • Jones's seasonal residence is located in Beavertown, Pennsylvania.
  • Jones was in an episode of the G4 television show Code Monkeys in Davy Jones Locker.

This bizarre sentence was tacked on following the Jones, Dolenz, Boyce and Hart write up; it's worth preserving here because of its awesome out of context stupidity:

Elf127 (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC) Citation Help Davy Jones was at Hoosier Park in Anderson, Indiana on the Fourth of July 2008 for a concert. He publically discussed his choice to become an American citizen and on such a patriotic day! Elf127 (talk)elf127[reply]

Confusing about his age

Someone who is a better writer than me should reword the part that says "From 1965 to 1971, Jones, 21 years old, was a member of The Monkees." I'm pretty sure he wasn't 21 years old for six years in a row. SpaceHistory101 (talk) 02:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Also the following sentence must be wrong: "He also appeared in the BBC police series Z-Cars. However, after the death of his mother from emphysema when he was 14 years old, he left acting and trained as a jockey with Basil Foster." This implies that he gave up acting immediately after (and/or as a result of) the death of his mother, but he would have been 14 in 1959 and Z-Cars didn't start until 1962, and Coronation Street which he was also in only began in December 1960. 92.12.59.177 (talk) 19:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is worse is that it implies that he was 11 when he appeared on Coronation Street. As the program didn't start until 1960, and he was born in 1945, he had to be at least 15.(The arcticle even SAYS that CS first full year was 1961.) This has then been mistakenly reported in other sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.79.243 (talk) 14:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see I was not the only one to notice all the age discrepancies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.135.49 (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Can't find confirmation of this anywhere on the internet...Martyn Smith (talk) 18:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found, sadly...Martyn Smith (talk) 18:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


March 1, 2012 Press Release - Office of the Medical Examiner - District 19 - Florida

On March 1, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. and autopsy was performed on Mr. Davy Jones by Chief Medical Examiner Roger E. Mittleman, M.D. The autopsy revealed the cause of death to be Ventricular Fibrillation due to Severe Coronary Atherosclerosis (Heart Attack).

“Ventricular Fibrillation is a rapid ineffective cardiac rhythm which is due to the blocking of the blood to the heart muscle due to atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries.” Dr. Mittleman explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gene kersey (talk • contribs) 19:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quote by Jones that says "Citation needed"

It comes from here: Right here on our stage tonight!: Ed Sullivan's America, By Gerald Nachman, Page 360 (see google books). No time to do a proper reference, but someone else can add it in. Risker (talk) 19:16, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 29 February 2012

Davey Jones also appeared with Peter Noone in an episode of Phineas and Ferb, a Disney cartoon series, as a group called the Tiny Cowboys. They win the meatloaf competition and sing a song together about the glories of meatloaf. Info from the credits of the cartoon

67.250.105.39 (talk) 19:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC) Robert Kirk rkirk@si.rr.com[reply]

Do you have any source for that? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not that IMDB should be considered accurate, but it is on there.[1] I think it might be a little "trivial" to add here, but that's just me. Doc talk 23:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That does seem a bit "trivial" Mlpearc (powwow) 23:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: for the reasons listed above. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 01:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death in infobox

Unless we're just putting the cause of death in the infobox for the short term, I question its importance there. Apart from right now, I really don't think that most people seeking the most important general information in the man's life are concerned that he died of heart attack. --24.5.197.145 (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would tend to agree. Doc talk 01:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is relevant biographical info. One of the most common things people readers of this article will want to know, whether now or years in the future, is what his cause of death was. The cause of death parameter is not 'short term', nor is it a trivial point. Jim Michael (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I fully agree with Jim Michael. In fact, I suspect that many readers, as for many celebrities, will look up this article simply to verify Jones' reported cause of death. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The content by itself is premature until the actual cause is settled. I've seen both heart attack and stroke. I suggest it remain blank until further proof comes. Ckruschke (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke[reply]

The lsngusge I quoted regarding the cause of death is the exact language of the press release issued by the Medical Examiner. It ia correct and accurate and the only thing that might be more official is the actual death certificate. I am not sure where it belongs inthe bio, but contribute it to be used as appropriate. Gene kersey (talk) 23:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article is being cheapened by sensationalism concerning his cause of death. You don't see this in most other articles, but if people "really" think it must be here, good for the status quo, right? Pfft... Doc talk 08:40, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think facts about the cause of someone's death amount to "cheap sensationalism". Lurid detail or undue hasty speculation, maybe yes. But natural causes, such as these, don't really lend themselves to tabloid sensationalism. How long was it last week before wikipedia had decided that Whitney Houston had died in her bath? Sooner than some of her family knew, I suspect. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

I removed the template at the top of the article saying

This article is about a person who has recently died. Some information, such as that pertaining to the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change as more facts become known.

with the edit summary Removed insensitive and useless "recently died" template. Do not restore without consensus on the talk page. It was restored by Woz2 with the edit summary per edit volume.

The documentation for the template says

it should only be used in cases where many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) are editing the article on the same day, and it should be removed as soon as the editing goes down to a normal level again.

There were 90 unique editors on the 29th. I see no value whatever in this defacement sitting at the top of the article so, unless someone can explain what good it does there, I'll be removing it again. --'neath the wings (talk) 01:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That template is usually added in the aftermath of a famous person's death - it's pretty standard from what I've seen, and not truly defacement. Whitney Houston comes to mind: for her, the tag was added here, and not removed for several days.[2] I don't know if the "perhaps a hundred or more" should be taken too literally, myself, since I don't think 100 edited her article in the wake of her death. Since Davy just died today, I wouldn't get too insistent on removing the tag just yet. My 2p. Doc talk 02:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In prominent recent death situations such as this, editors have a right to be alerted to an elevated risk of edit conflicts and frequent content updates. 90 versus "perhaps a hundred or more" is a petty distinction, and the template documentation minimum threshold statement borders on the unrealistic anyway (WP:BURO, WP:NOTBIGENOUGH). Regardless of how much one can complains about it being a "defacement" (WP:IDONTLIKEIT) the recent death template remains an established and legitimate feature that assists editors. It will go away in a few days anyway, once the high edit frequencies here subside and the alert has served its purpose. Dl2000 (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My rationale for removing the template is it's a piece of useless crap at the top of an article. It serves no purpose and is grossly insensitive. 70 unique editors edited this page on the first. I've removed the template. [3] --'neath the wings (talk) 14:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So, I was reverted by John. Whose edit summary says "See talk." I'm here, at talk, looking for a reason to keep this stupid piece of crud at the top of the article. The only explanation I can glean from the above is "editors have a right to be alerted to an elevated risk of edit conflicts and frequent content updates." What idiocy. What possible good does warning editors about edit conflicts do? And, anyway, the template doesn't say a word about edit conflicts. As for, frequent content updates, so what? Everybody knows the details of any event are liable to change in the days following the event. Ugh. Is this project run by children? Ugh. Ugh. Can't you see how grossly insensitive and unnecessary that template is. It is pure ghoulishness. This isn't Dungeons and Dragons. Grow up. --'neath the wings (talk) 15:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're wasting everyone's time on this issue just because you think it's "insensitive" and "unnecessary" or "useless", but that's the way wikipedia always does it. 24.27.31.170 (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2012 (UTC) Eric[reply]

Death section - odd wording

I realise that the article content is a partial paraphrase of the cited WPTV article, but it does read a little oddly: Jones had complained of breathing difficulties …, and had been transported to … hospital …, where he was pronounced dead. So he was complaining, and next thing he's dead. Somebody needs to source a "collapsed" or "unconscious" in between the two events, perhaps. The fault lies with the cited WPTV report but maybe WP can do better. Whatever, it's a damn shame that the man's gone, though. Tonywalton Talk 00:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we balance this section out with some people who don't care or think the Monkees were an abomination?Like this: Fred Cocklskew of Frampington said "Who gives a s***?". like that I think that would be good, yeahhh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.79.201 (talk) 04:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

re same section, "...host Deborah Norville admitted she was once president of a Monkees' fan club..."; why "admitted"? how about "revealed". 63.142.146.194 (talk) 05:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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