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Edit request on 9 March 2012

Please add 'Leader' to Kris' band postion section because it is said that SM considers them seperate bands and both bands have all positions inc. leader. It was said that Lay was supposed to be leader but it was changed to Kris for an unknown reason.

ALSO THE POSITIONS ARE ALL WRONG/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.4.59 (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

cr; China magazine, onexoplanet, EXO TOWN 82.20.98.110 (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If "cr; China magazine, onexoplanet, EXO TOWN" are your sources, then please be more precise by using URLs (links), if these are magazines, then please add the volume, issue, release date, etc. mabdul 16:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 10 March 2012

There is false information in the EXO-M member list. The member stated there; Ten Ten; does not exist therefore please delete 'Ten Ten' and ensure that there is 6 people in total in that table. According to their official fanpage, they clearly confirmed there is only 6 members in EXO-M which are Xiu Min, Lu Han, Kris, Lay, Chen and Tao. proof : https://www.facebook.com/notes/smtown/the-second-prologue-single-history-of-exo-k-and-exo-m-has-been-released/346822272027280 Thank you in advance!

Neulli (talk) 04:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had removed it right as you made the request. Thanks Evaders99 (talk) 04:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 2 April 2012

I would like to request a permission from you for me to edit some of the information regarding EXO's article on wikipedia. There are some of the information which are wrong. Since the page is semi protected, the changes can't be made. I also have a sufficient citation to be put and additional information to complete the article. Hope I will receive a great cooperation from you for me to rearranged the page so that other viewer will get a better information regarding EXO. Thank you.

KimHaeri (talk) 11:17, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: That isn't how this template works. If you'd like to edit the article, since you have registered, you need to wait four days and make ten other edits and you will become autoconfirmed and able to edit semiprotected articles. If you have something you wish to add sooner, tell us specifically what it is you want to change, in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail and provide reliable sources for the information and someone will add it for you unless there is a problem, Welcome, Celestra (talk) 14:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 7 April 2012

For EXO-M and EXO-K's positions, please flip all the "leads" and "mains" around. The "lead" is usually the "better" one and basically the one who takes the lead. It is even said in MNet's new coverage of the group that Baekhyun is the LEAD vocal and D.O. is the MAIN vocal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbNo4ZwuJQQ at 2:52 says the two members' positions.

Apinksuzy (talk) 04:42, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Not a reliable source Pol430 talk to me 22:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 7 April 2012

Please change "On April 7, 2012 EXO's title song, "MAMA" was released on various online music sites." to "On April 8, 2012 EXO's title song, "MAMA" was released on various online music sites." The MV and audio was released on 00:00 Korean Standard Time on April 8th. It was announced like that on SMTOWN's Facebook page (if you're picky about the source) and it indeed WAS released then. The MV was released on SMTOWN's Youtube page a few minutes later, which is April 8th in Korea. It may have been released on April 7th in some parts of the world, but it is definitely more accurate to go with Korea's time since they are the actual source of the song and music video.

Apinksuzy (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done No reliable source specified Pol430 talk to me 22:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Positions"

I am very curious to how the members' "positions" came up. Is there a reliable source? Or is this all coming from the opinions of the fans? "Lead vocal" and "main vocal" pretty much have the same meaning, according to this article. Also, what does it mean to be a "main dancer" and a "lead dancer"? Darkreason (talk) 20:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found a source of it for EXO-M from Sina.com (here) but what about EXO-K? Darkreason (talk) 06:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, we need to come up with a consensus with these positions. We can't keep changing them. There is a source for EXO-M, but EXO-K still needs one. Also wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. Read this MOS:CAP. Darkreason (talk) 20:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that some of the member positions are a little confusing. The positions we know for certain is that Kai is the Main Dancer, SuHo is the leader and that Baekhyun is the main vocalist - because during the showcase he introduced himself as such. I'm not sure about the 'lead' positions, such as lead vocalist and lead dancer, although I'm fairly certain that SeHun is the lead dancer because he is often in the dancing group alongside Kai. D.O. and SuHo should be lead vocalists. It's odd to have more than one lead vocalist in a small group (EXO-K) but I wouldn't say that SuHo is merely a vocalist. I have no idea who the lead rapper is, though. All I know is that Chanyeol is the main rapper.

For EXO-M I think it's a bit more clean cut. It's obvious that Chen is the main vocal and that Lu Han is the lead vocal. Lay is the main dancer, Kris is the leader. I'm not sure who the main rapper is (Kris or Tao) and I'm not sure who classifies as a lead dancer. (If I had to say it would definitely be Lu Han and possibly Xiu Min.) I agree that maybe we should wait for confirmation, but I think that we shouldn't remove the table. Just remove the group positions from the table.

However, we need to agree on group positions soon. Not having the group positions in the article is not good. Should the group positions be put up for discussion here or are we just going to wait for a reference that may never come?

Zeraiya (talk) 05:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for replying! I removed the table because it's redundant information. Now that each member has their own page, most of the basic trivia information (such as birth name, place of birth, hangul/hanja names) can be found in their own respective pages. So what's use of a table when all that is really needed for this article are just their names?
My main reason for removing the positions of the group is because the IPs have their own definitions of "main vocalist" and "lead vocalist." (Personally, I consider them to mean the same thing). And since wikipedia has an article on lead vocalist (but not main vocalist), I suggest to use just "lead vocalist" for D.O., Baekhyun, and Chen. "Sub-lead vocalist" (副主唱) for Lu Han (a direct translation from what Lu Han has said himself in the interview with Sohu I cited previously), and just "rapper" for Chanyeol, Kris, and Tao. I think it's best to keep these positions as simple and understandable as possible. Not everyone who reads these articles would be K-pop fans, so they wouldn't know the distinctions between "main vocal" and "lead vocal" (I still don't, because like what I said before, everyone has their own opinion on the definitions).
But yes. I agree with you. In a boy band, everyone has a chance of lending out their vocals in a song. Chanyeol is mainly a rapper, but even he sings sometimes ("History"). Lay sings, but even he raps ("Two Moons"). None of them have one designated position (especially for Sehun and Xiumin). For now, I think it's best to just leave their positions out of the way until we actually have a reliable source (which may never come, but better than having the IPs abusing the page over and over again). Darkreason (talk) 20:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Check out this EXO-K interview uploaded on youtube. According to the board, D.O. is introduced as a "main vocal" (Korean: 메인보컬), but not Baekhyun. Therefore, I suggest to use main vocalist and lead vocalist interchangeably. Since wikipedia has an article on lead vocalist instead of main vocalist, I suggest we use "lead vocalist" for all the leading singers of the group. Darkreason (talk) 21:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

Hey, I understand the sources and their usage for now, but I was wondering if there are any reliable Korean sources we can start using instead? Hopefully from publishers that have an editorial policy and/or named contributors? I'm wary about using allkpop (and sites like it) especially as it has a whole disclaimer page saying it's for gossip. Facebook (as it is used now) is fine (but it would be preferable if we found non-self published sources to cover this information too); I'm going to make some ref adjustments so they are cited as press releases though since that is essentially their format. ClayClayClay 07:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The articles written by allkpop are basically translations of Korean sources, but I agree with you. I'll be looking for some of the original articles and change the refs. Darkreason (talk) 01:29, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization

As far as I'm aware, "Exo" is not not an acronym for anything, and nothing in the article supports that it is, either. Wikipedia generally does not use all caps in article titles if it's simply for stylization purposes. As such, this article should be moved back to Exo (band), while mentioning in the lead that it is usually stylized as "EXO". Thoughts? — ξxplicit 01:45, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know I have not seen any news articles mentioned the group as "Exo", so I don't think that "EXO" is for the stylization purposes.--ILuvSunshine (talk) 16:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The same can be said about idol groups like Big Bang, F.T. Island, CN Blue and Infinite, among others. "Exo" doesn't appear to be an acronym, initialism or abbreviation of any kind, and Wikipedia titles are not written in all caps if they aren't, regardless of how they capitalized elsewhere. As such, I don't see any reason why this article should be treated any differently. — ξxplicit 23:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I do see you point. The thing is I do see BIGBANG often refer as Big Bang, F.T.ISLAND as F.T. Island and CNBLUE as CNBlue etc.. in news articles and some official sites, so have no problem as the way they are in the wiki. And as for Infinite since I don't keep track of them so I'm not going to say anything. As I was saying I have not seen any news articles or official sites refer the group as "Exo". Also base on what you are saying, "CN Blue" should be change to "Cn Blue", "IU" to "Iu", "2PM" to "2pm" and "2AM" to "2am"?--ILuvSunshine (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Except "CN" is an acronym for Code Name, "IU" is an abbreviation for "I and You", and AM/PM are acronyms for ante meridiem and post meridiem, not to mention that the letters are said individually ('c n', 'i u', two a m/p m'). Exo is pronounced how it's spelled, not 'e x o'. Also note that DJ Ozma's name is nearly always written in all caps, even in news articles, but a move request resulted in the page being moved to follow Wikipedia's conventions. As I mentioned above, Wikipedia titles are not written in all caps if they aren't acronyms, initialisms or abbreviations, regardless of how they capitalized elsewhere. Per WP:ALLCAPS, we avoid writing with all capitals. — ξxplicit 23:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with moving.--ILuvSunshine (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

EXO (band) → Exo (band) – Per the discussion above. The current all caps title of the article appears to be solely for stylization purposes. "Exo" does not appear to be an acronym, initialism or abbreviation of any kind, and I have yet to see a justification for all caps. — ξxplicit 01:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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