User talk:Sitush

Have you come here to rant at me? It's water off a duck's back.

Hari Singh Nalwa

It was in refrence to the above said article. You removed all the editing i did. well the source is a publiction from very renowned collage in Punjab. Below is the complete reference file. It is from Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa Published by SIKH MISSIONARY COLLEGE (REGD.) LUDHIANA (Publication No.354) Well Do i have to do all the editing again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marwahasaab (talk • contribs) 16:10, 18 June 2012 (UTC) --Marwahasaab (talk) 16:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Re:

Thanks for the notification. Actually, I had renewed the link since Iranica has changed its webhost. The correct link is this one: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/babor-zahir-al-din --Lysozym (talk)

Vaishya

You reverted my edit to Vaishya, asking that I "read the source." According to inclusion in the source, my edit, which I haev reinstated, states that the Vaishya's were traditionally farmers, soldiers, zamindars, and chieftains (note that I rephrased the text from that of the ref). However, if the current ref is unclear, I'll try and find a better one.Kutupwe (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Not on page 46, it doesn't. Or at least, it doesn't unless something is going dreadfully wrong with my eyesight. And if the source is unclear then you should not have reinstated it. I have reverted you once more. - Sitush (talk) 00:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Brain fart. However, I'll try to find a better source. Oh, yes, your eyesight may be failing, but that was my mistake.Kutupwe (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

As far as brain malfunctions go: been there, done that ;) I am really in trouble if my eyesight goes: being deaf is bad enough but deaf/blind is a hell of a life, & I'm a bit too old to be learning Makaton or something similar. I have enough problems transcending Gibberish, after all. - Sitush (talk) 20:41, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Although this is not as bad, I have constant ups and downs of delirium on a daily basis, and this is a hell of a life for me (understanding how bad your situation is). I also have trimonthly seizures that hit me unexpectedly, but that's a whole different story. Anyways, either you or someone else interrupted me while I was asking you about List of Ror. But here we go: I am considering nominating List of ROr for deletion per AFD, as it has become entirely redundant and useless (referring to the previous BLP violations, failed attempts to harbor sources, vandalism, etc). But I'd like you to tell me your opinion, as you seem experienced in these areas, and I'm not so convinced that this is a good move (As the list is notable).Kutupwe (talk) 20:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Ouch. I am sorry to read that. Regarding the list, I wouldn't bother with AfD. Experience tells me that it would fail, and that it would do so even though there is a Category:Ror.

What we tend to do is redirect the list to the main article if the list has little or no content. Any content that does exist should be merged into the main article beforehand, and any link from the main article to the list would need to be deleted. You might prefer to make a proposal per the (somewhat tedious) process described at WP:MERGE rather than do it unilaterally. Twinkle makes the process slightly easier, but seems only to do half of the job: you still have to join the two pieces together. If ever the list in the main article should grow in a valid manner, it can always be forked once more. As far as vandalism, BLP issues etc go, well, they will happen whether the list exists separately or not: all that we can do is be vigilant. - Sitush (talk) 21:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I redirected the list in April. - Sitush (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks- I'm not going to propose anywhere.Kutupwe (talk) 14:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Awaiting your review of Kaul in my Sandbox

Can you review the Kaul article in my sandbox. Perhaps you could also leave your comments on the Kashmiri Pandit article there. -Ambar (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I thought that I had made some initial comments but you have not acted on them or responded. We had this same conversation about a week ago, IIRC. OR do you have two different articles sandboxed? - Sitush (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, just saw your comments & have further edited the draft for Kashmiri pandit. (Yes, I have two articles running simultaneously in the sandbox, one is on Kaul & the other on Kashmiri Pandits.)
In the Kashmiri Pandit article, Have also added one lede in the history section. Let me know if it passes the policy guidelines. The author 'Gill' has been the Director General of Police (Punjab) & is a renowed author & a Padma Shri award winner. Even though his 'hand is not always considered to be doing the right thing', his articles generally are. Await your comments. -Ambar wiki (talk) 12:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Ambar, my apologies. I've not got round to taking another look. I will, I promise. - Sitush (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

If you could take some time please, I have a few days where I can spend time to further improve this now. So would appreciate if you could prioritise this. Please try and leave as detailed a comments as possible. -Ambar wiki (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Knanaya

If you have any time, could you direct your attention to Knanaya? I plan on doing some work over there when I get a chance; it's yet another area where the notions of Jewish origin have been allowed to take over the article.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure, although I am not massively knowledgeable re: the subject matter. Good work on the STC music rewrite, by the way. - Sitush (talk) 17:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I've Started...

....Jassa Singh Ramgarhia so please take a look at what I've done so far. Will add more when I get a chance.Thanks SH 12:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm the more I'm reading about Jassa Singh Ramgarhia, the more impressed I am by his never say die spirit. I think I may have another Indian hero to add to my others. :) . Thanks for asking me to edit it. More edits coming soon. SH 21:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem - it needed quite a lot of work and I rather thought that it would be to your liking! I find Sikh stuff can be troublesome from a sourcing point of view: a lot of the potentially relevant sources at GBooks seem to be in snippet view here. I will take a look at it myself at some point, but I know that it is in good hands. - Sitush (talk) 12:18, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Sanjiv Bhatt

Hi Sitush,
An anon IP 122.169.25.117 (talk · contribs) started reverting all your recent edits here without any summaries to explain. I warned them about 3RR and they stopped. I then reverted back to, I hope, the last 'clean' version by AnomieBOT. Regards --220 of ^Borg 05:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I have now put in a request at WP:RFPP also. Hopefully, I'll get the thing sorted today but it is a real mess. - Sitush (talk) 10:15, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected for 1 month and watched, so take your time with the rework if you need to. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:23, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Boing! - Sitush (talk) 10:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey

are you Indian or interested in Indian history? Ive seen you editing articles relating to India. if you dont mind me asking, can you help me with the article on Jawaharlal Nehru (if you are interested that is..) I did some work over it although in some cases I have straight up lifted some passages from enc britannica. I plan on rewriting them but I am not that good in English. are you interested? I think Mr Nehru deserves a top article on wikipedia.. Cliniic (talk) 17:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I am a bit overwhelmed with other stuff right now but will certainly take a look. - Sitush (talk) 10:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

cheers. keep up the good work .Cliniic (talk) 22:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

You will notice that I took a quick look at it. There seem to be a few people active there at the moment, so I'll let you all get on with things and take another look in a week or so. Feel free to remind me. - Sitush (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

thank you very much. it seems another noted indian editor (fowler&fowler) is working on the article now. also can you look into the rajiv gandhi article? its a mess. I also made suggetions to rewrite the article on the indian national congress and another indian editor lynch7 has agreed to look into it when he has the time. cheers its nice to know there are so many indians on wikipedia. Cliniic (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

okay my friend. I just gave you some suggessions.I have actually not aware of the talk page.Its your wish to put it or not.Have a nice day...

Anurag Chakraborty 10:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

User:Mayasutra's behaviour in the Iyengar:talk page

Sitush, let me first deal with the other user's behaviour, and then i'll go for formal mediation. I guess i've been too patient. First of all, users editing in the "Iyengar page", who repeatedly fail to adhere to any expected standards of behavior are likely to be imposed with sanctions. The general sanctions template is placed on top of the Iyengar talk page by admin:Qwyrxian. Inspite of that, "user:Mayasutra" has been repeatedly using names in talk page discussions, and that too in a way that maligns the other user(s), which is considered very offensive in wiki'. I'm wondering as to why this user is still allowed to edit as he has crossed the line long back and is still continuing to do so. Although i've used his name, i did so, only while replying to his messages so that other users might not take it on themselves. But i've always maintained a civil tone unlike user:mayasutra. Let me list out his behaviour here:

• First of all, he's posting diff of the edits i made 3 years ago, and is pointing out the mistakes, thereby maligning me. At that time(3 yrs back), I was new to wiki' and made some obvious errors. Posting the diff' of those edits, and trying to convince the administrators reg' his stand is extremely cheap on his part. He also posted a link to my editlog here. Diff of his edit:[1]
  
• Attack on communities - Mayasutra said "there are some enthusiastic vadagalais propagating falsities, like racists. Diff:[2]." Having seen the general sanctions template, placed on top of that talk page, posting such comments should attract a considerably higher penalty than usual.
  

Attacks on other users(attacks on me in this case): Here are some of his(Mayasutra's) comments on me, in the Iyengar talk page:

• He said "...Hari7478 does not seem to have a background in the genetic sciences. It is useless to reason out any data with him." Diff of edits:[3]
• In another post, Mayasutra said "This being a talk page, Hari's blabbering is ok". Diff:[4]
  
• Again, he insults me by saying - "You are absolutely ignorant in genetics. You can blabber whatever you like here." Diff of edits:[5]
  
• And finally he made these coments on me - "People with half-baked or no knowledge on genetics, like Hari7478...". Diff of edits:[6]
  
• Above all, as you can see from the talk page discussions, he has been repeatedly posting the same message under various sections/topics, which is indeed spamming, and has been a prolonged troll.

Inspite of the bashing on me, i've been too patient, trying to concentrate on the contents and not on the other user. But i can't be a saint anymore. Despite knowing about the "general sancitons", and inspite of me requesting him to abstain from such behaviour in talk pages, he has been too offensive. I wonder why no action has been taken. I'll go for formal mediation, once this user gets the deserved judgement for what he did. This has been long due.Hari7478 (talk) 11:11, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I am not an admin and have no ability to enforce sanctions. Some of the language that you highlight is certainly testing the limits of WP:TPG, WP:CIV, WP:NPA etc. Unfortunately, the both of you are engaging in very long walls of text that are often awkwardly formatted. These make it difficult to judge whether things really are as one-sided, as you claim. TLDR stuff also quite often upsets people because it can be seen as being tendentious editing. However, I'll drop Mayasutra a brief note and I ask you here to accept that you too will ensure that you stay within the bounds of civility etc, regardless of whether or not you have done so in the past. I am, of course, involved in the dispute myself and so I need to tread lightly. Some uninvolved admins stalk my talk page and may decide to take things further, whether in your favour or otherwise, or you could take the matter to WP:WQA.

Requesting some sort of sanction as a condition of becoming involved in mediation seems a little perverse to me, since the entire point of mediation is that people collaborate and agree to its conclusions. Certainly, any incivility etc in the mediation process is likely to result in admin action. I am not in fact sure that mediation is necessary here: if both of you calmed down a bit then it could probably be sorted out on the talk page. There does seem to be a consensus that the article is a mess and needs a lot of work, and there are at least two other contributors involved. - Sitush (talk) 11:44, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello. First of all, thanks for notifying him on my behalf. However, this is not the first time that someone is bashing me. "Bashing hari7478" has been going on for long, in the iyengar talk page, and i'm losing my patience here. But i've never crossed the bounds of civility and i wont. Thank You.Hari7478 (talk) 12:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hari and Sitush, not sure if Hari wants to distract from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Iyengar If Hari wants me to apologize for lack of civility yes Hari you can have it. I apologise. However, i expect you to sign the party agreement for the Formal Mediation filed against your misquoting. Please agree to Formal Mediation and resolve the problems with your sources and content, as indicated against you here -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iyengar#For_Dispute_Mediation. Thanks. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 12:44, 11 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

(edit conflict) While I would not condone "bashing", if you find yourself frequently in a minority of one etc regarding the issues discussed at Iyengar then perhaps it is time to consider whether or not you really are still on safe ground regarding WP:CONSENSUS. Remember, consensus is based on policy and statements in articles are based on what is verifiable, which is not necessarily the same as what you consider to be true. As I said earlier, that article is a mess and it probably needs a complete rewrite, involving people who are not closely connected to the subject matter.

Mayasutra, I have already explained to you that you cannot oblige Hari to sign up for mediation, and that your proposal is malformed. - Sitush (talk) 12:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Sitush, i have been very civil with Hari7478. There is no need for me to apologize. I did because i know he wanst to distract the issue and somehow get away without signing the Formal Mediation filed against him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Iyengar . Btw, there is no need for WP:CONSENSUS. Its a case of continuously misquoting sources to push certain content. I suppose Hari7478 will want to chicken out without agreeing to the Formal Mediation. Thanks. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 12:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

You most definitely have not been civil, although I have indicated that I have not investigated why this might be so. However, "I suppose Hari7478 will want to chicken out without agreeing to the Formal Mediation" is unnecessary provocation and you are going to get a warning now. - Sitush (talk) 13:02, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright, i apologize. Now i hope Hari7478 agrees to sign the party agreement. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 13:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

Messy Article- Iyengar

Sitush! First of all, i'm not agreeing to Mayasutra's "Formal mediation" report, as I don't see any neutrality in it. It is filed/designed in such a way that it could be easily concluded in his favour. Atleast that's how i feel about it. But i assure you(Sitush) that i'll discuss everything with you & QWYRXIAN, regarding "the current version of the article & future edits", by giving a preview of "a contribution" along with sufficient inline citations, either here or in the iyengar talk page. We can rectify everything, by going through every single line, by thoroughly checking every single inline citation, and make it clean. We could do it together after sufficient/adequate discussions. After being through all these unexpected incidents, i think this would be the safest & most logical approach. I say we even ignore the obvious facts, that are known to us. Let us simply go by what the src's say. Only that could possibly put all conflicts to rest.
By the way, i feel that the section "Language & Dialect" in the Iyengar page should be deleted. The whole section has only one ref' which goes by the name "nilacharal.com"- this src lacks neutrality and contains pro-tamil POVs. In my opinion, the whole section could be deleted, although it's not disputed. Do take a look at it. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The correct place to discuss article content is at the article talk page, not here. Regarding the mediation proposal, well, what you do is up to you but please do ensure that you have read the relevant explanatory stuff for the process before making a decision. - Sitush (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Clarification sought

Sitush, forgive me for saying this but i believe if a person lacks understanding of a certain topic, it is better to leave the topic alone. But what happens if a person continues to be involved in the topic? Or keeps misquoting based on his/her own (lack of) understanding? Especially, if he/she keeps reverting others' edits based on such (lack of) understanding, thus contributing to a perennial edit war. In such case, please clarify this for me -- can one request for a topic ban, if a person refuses mediation but involves in an edit war? Thanks. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

Well, an understanding certainly helps but we all have to start somewhere and one of the beauties of Wikipedia is that because we rely on secondary sources, the primary criteria is one of competence in comprehending those sources and relaying what they say. Knowing nothing about the subject would not bar a good faith contributor from displaying such competence, and indeed this happens a lot. I, for example, knew next to nothing about Indian castes 18 months ago but I contributed then and continue to do so now.

That being the case, the issue becomes one of judging the competence and the good faith. We have policies and guidelines that can also be used - consensus, verifiability, reliable sources, due weight, neutrality, edit warring etc - to address the issues that you mention but if an article has been "flying under the radar" then it can take a while before people become aware of the problems. We also have useful noticeboards, such as WP:RSN and WP:NPOVN to which specific issues can be referred.

Sometimes, you just have to be patient. Believe me, there are plenty of eyes on Iyengar now and things will be resolved. I still think that a major part of the problem is the messy formatting and the overlong posts. As Blade said at ANI, the talk page will make most people's "eyes bleed". Alas, this is quite common on India-related talk pages: they tend to be a bit on the chaotic side and the standard of written English can be quite variable. (Although I have also seen plenty of poor stuff written for non-India articles by people who are native English speakers!) See what happens with the mediation proposal. If it does not develop then the purported issues will still be resolved but using some other method. I strongly suggest that you do not get involved in topic ban proposals etc: the situation is being monitored and there are sanctions available that make it usually unnecessary to approach WP:ANI etc. Since things have been so bad for so long at that article, another few days really makes little difference. - Sitush (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Sitush. Appreciate the guidance much. Best wishes. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

Talkback

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Removing properly cited articles

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Abo (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are referring to, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, sorry. I now realise that you are User:Akhil.bharathan. I have already explained the problems with your edits. - Sitush (talk) 13:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Read and understand the cited text before putting up biased view

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you.Abo (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Not exceeded WP:3RR, so if you have reported me then that is just wasting everyone's time. - Sitush (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

consensus building

Hello Sitush,

It is important for me to understand which theories and references are acceptable, which is negotiable and which is unacceptable to you for Nayar etymology. Understanding your precise stand on the following 4 questions is vital for me to draft a skeleton proposal so that it can then also be reviewed by others. Shall i take it that (1) you agree to avoid the controversial Sadasivan theory and citation ? (2) you are negotiable on the Nayak-theory ? (3) you agree that we can also discuss credibility assigned to different theories to acheive NPOV ? (4) KM panickar reference, MLDames reference and Visscher reference are acceptable to you ? Thanks in advance. VS Vettakkorumakansnehi (talk) 11:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I am not dealing with this here. The correct place is the article talk page, which I'll get round to looking at in due course. There is far too much other stuff flying around at the moment, including some WP:BLP issues at another article that are really quite serious and need both some detailed research & some thought. My edit count has probably dropped this week, and that is why. Nair can drift for a few hours, or even a few days, without really impacting on the life of anyone. - Sitush (talk) 12:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure, i can understand...no probs...i will wait....Take your time and resolve other issues that may be demanding higher priority presently..no hurry... Later it would be great while addressing my queries, if you could make a point wise note on each point as acceptable/negotiable/unacceptable. That way, I will know exactly what phraseology i have to adopt during preparation of the draft...Catch you later on the article talk page....have a nice day...bye....

VS Vettakkorumakansnehi (talk) 13:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Looks like you are busy being crowded by more newbies. Hence a cup of hot tea for a short break. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ha, thanks! They are well-intentioned but, as I've just said above, there is a rather awkward issue going on that needs more of my time at the moment. I'd rate a BLP problem that might involve libel etc as being somewhat more important than the etymology of a caste name. Would you agree? I bet you deal with this sort of thing a lot in your movie stuff. - Sitush (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ummm...yeah! BLP should be given more importance than this etymology issue. But i never had to deal much with such issues on films. Wanna take a break and join WP:INCINE? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Photo montage

I have reverted your last edit in Saint Thomas Christians, ie reinstated the photo montage. Many a time I tried to explain you that a consensus should be comprehensive and also a formally closed one to apply it against a large number of articles, like those related to Indian caste. Your comments would be appreciated here -AshLey ^Msg 13:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I had already replied to your message on the talk page. The fact that you consistently fail to appreciate how consensus works is becoming quite a problem. - Sitush (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Reply

There is no need for you to blindly oppose me as you said "I will be opposing you, but not until Sunday/Monday as I will be off-wiki). - Sitush (talk) 12:57, 15 June 2012 (UTC)". I asking you to put up reasons for your activities, just dont make statements and go. Please make your arguments clear, so that everyone can understand the reason behind your action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhil.bharathan (talk • contribs)

I will, but I am not going to do it while your comment on the talk page is in the wrong place. I have explained on your talk page what it is that you need to do. And I have explained what I will do and when. There is no rush about this and you have to allow a reasonable period of time for discussion. If you rush into it, I will revert you and you could well end up being blocked once more for edit warring. - Sitush (talk) 14:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe a page is tagged as POV when there is adequate reason to do so. If that is right you already know why it is a POV. Therefore I fail to understand reasonable period of time for you to provide a response for a simple question regarding your reason for the page being POV. Please engage in discussion as soon as possible for sitush. If the page is actually neutral I don't think it would be fair to the worldwide readers of wikipedia to tag it as a POV. Therefore there is no rush about this. Even though I have created a new section. To say that "comment on the talk page is in the wrong place" is utterly wrong as this so called "wrong place" is a section titled "Why is the neutrality being disputed?" and this is crux of my question too. Be reasonable, when asked to engage in discussion do so. Please don't make Threats reagrding blocking user from the wikipage even before user performs action which violates wikipedia editing policy. Abo (talk) 17:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Page on Rewari

You have once again deleted the four lines about 'Hemu' on Rewari page, under medieval history section saying poor formation and description of 22 battles, despite putting required citations. It would have been better if you had improved the wordings rather than leaving the few lines in shambles as they are now. I fail to understand what you are looking at this page. You have deleted/edited several additions on this page during last several months and page is in very bad shape. The contents/matter/description about the town are of poor quality, but no serious person is trying to improve because of your unnecessary editions. It is a pity that we cannot write about our own city. I wonder how much you know about Rewari ? The page is in a very bad shape. Please suggest how you are going to bring it in a standard format or we leave it in present form which is like a blot on wikipedia.Sudhirkbhargava (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, you once again inserted it. See the talk page and explain why such puffed-up detail about Hemu is relevant to an article that should have its focus on Rewari. The page was already in bad shape: my efforts have improved it, although it remains extremely poor. There is not much that I can do if people do not source stuff etc, but your comment regarding "our own city" is completely irrelevant and I suggest that you take a read of our Five Pillars. - Sitush (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

The factual details about Hemu have to be put on Rewari page because Hemu was a 'Rewarite' This last Hindu emperor of India had lived in Rewari for many years and his Haveli still exists in town. His Haveli is a known 'Heritage' in town. Problem on page is not of sourcing the right and relevent stuff, which is available in plenty. Couple of times it was put on the page but deleted. Some do Vandal the page, but sincer wikipedians like you and me should be more considerate on developments on page. I know I should not be subjective when I say 'our own city', but what I mean is that I have all the information about the town which can be put on the page keeping objectives and policies of wikipedia in mind because I have been living in this town for decades. So it should be the residents' prerogative to put info rather than those who do not know about the town. Please suggest a plan how you intend to improve the page ?Sudhirkbhargava (talk) 17:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Wrong venue. And wrong argument. - Sitush (talk) 17:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lala Hanumant Sahai

Hellow Sitush!

I had submitted an article in the name of Lala Hanumant Sahai - A revolutionary of Chandni Chowk who died unknown and unnoticed. Kindly help me to make it better. Whether only one web citation would be sufficient to cover the reliable source or not. Although I have given some other sources from Hindi books also. Kindly guide me properly whether I can quote the relevent contents in English (manually translated by myself) or not. Thanks in anticipation for your valuable suggestions and help.Krantmlverma (talk) 18:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:NOENG explains the procedures for non-English sources. Without intending to give offence, I am not entirely sure that your ability with English, although 100% better than mine with Hindi, is really up to the job of reliably translating sources. Perhaps someone at WT:INB may be able to assist? -

good work

Hi Sitush, you have done good work on Sanjiv Bhatt's article. Although we have agreed to disagree on few of the points that would not stop me from appreciating your good work

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		Thanks for the clean up of Sanjiv Bhatt.Keep up the good work sarvajna (talk) 07:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! And I apologise for taking so long with it. I am coming round to your opinion regarding the mention of Modi/BJP/RSS but am not quite there yet. As is common with Indian "scandal" articles, there is much to the backstory and determining where the cut-off point should be is a tricky exercise. I do not always get it right. The article is still in pretty poor shape - better, certainly, but nowhere near where it should be & it needs input from you and others. I appreciate your comments on the talk page. - Sitush (talk) 00:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Ram Prasad Bismil

Good Morning Sitush! I had started to improve the captioned article which was immediately reverted by you. As suggested by you on your user page I started editing the article and added some of references which were to be used as the citations in this article later. (Please see Bhagat Singh.) In case if I revert your edits you would mind it so I would like to request you to please review it and revert it yourself so that I may proceed further. I do hope a favourable response from you. With thanks in anticipation I remain, Yours semper fidelis Krantmlverma (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC) Dr.'Krant'M.L.Verma ^{(talk•Email)}

Ah. If your intention was to use Harvard or some similar short footnoting method then you should probably have added an {{under construction}} or {{in use}} template to the article when you left it. The appearance was that the sources your added were neither one thing nor another: they were in the References section but not used in footnotes etc.

However, my bigger concern is that you are once again adding images that appear to be inappropriate, For example, this image appears to be incorrectly licensed. It uses this blog as its source, but we cannot determine from that either when the photograph was taken nor by whom. Since we know neither of these details, the uploader is not in a position to assert that 60 or more years have passed since either first publication or author's death. - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for a sincere advise. I have removed the File of Lala Hardayal from this article and put up the suggested tags on this article. When I uploaded the jpg file on 16 June 2012 there was no tag placed there in wikicommons. Moreover this file was uploaded on wikicommons by some other user, not by me (you can see the File History there). You are requested to please guide me from time to time.-Krantmlverma (talk) 05:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)Dr.'Krant'M.L.Verma ^{(talk•Email)}

Android editing

Hello Sitush,

I took a bit of a Wikibreak for a while but am back again. Some addictions are worse than others. I will be seeing you around, I guess.

I often edit with Android devices - most recently with a Droid Razr. I can do some things OK but not others. I can edit short blocks of text but not long ones. This encourages me to be among the first to comment in AfDs - a good thing, I think. I use a conventional browser, not an Android app. They don't support editing. Lately, I have been using a lapdock - a dumb screen/keyboard gadget that comes to life when I plug in my Razr. If I have a good WiFi connection, it is almost (but not quite) a laptop, and I can edit pretty much normally using Firefox. My guess is that I have done roughly 5000 edits on Android. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey, welcome back! I did wonder about the absence and, yes, I have those jelly donuts on my shopping list for later this year. Has Mrs C had any further dabbles here?

Can you give me a link to info about your Razr device and perhaps also to the lapdock? The Razr is a Motorola if you are in Europe, but there are several of them. And I've never heard of a lapdock but presume that it is pretty much the same as a laptop docking station, but perhaps smaller. Just curious. And out of touch. - Sitush (talk) 02:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Mr.Wikipediania (Stalk • Talk) 04:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Read it. Thanks for the offer but I am used to the problems that you note and they will resolve themselves. Nowadays I tend not to spend too long dealing with them because there are plenty of others who are up to speed with the issues etc and they can sort it out from an uninvolved perspective. - Sitush (talk) 04:25, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for letting me know. Have a nice day. Mr.Wikipediania (Stalk • Talk) 04:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

citation

What do you think of using this as per WP:LEADCITE ? VSVettakkorumakansnehi (talk) 09:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I've never seen it used but, yes, it would be ok. Equally, you could just remove the unsourced content. However, in the specific instance of Nair, if the statement is not already sourced then there should be a source for it in the body & the problem is more likely to be that it has got moved around in past edit wars. I will check later today. As I've said before, there are sections of that article where I have contributed very little except grammar and tweaks: etymology, diet/dress/religion, and military being the ones that I can recall. MatthewVanitas did most of those, along with CarTick and a couple of others. IIRC, one of the un-named others got blocked for sockpuppeting & perhaps that also is a part of the problem. Give me a few hours, please: I have been awake for nearly two days now. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

OMG..awake for two days !! You better get some rest...surely i have no problem to wait ....VSVettakkorumakansnehi (talk) 10:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Senthilrockz

Dear Sitush - You should first cross check the article i have inserted and the present one reverted by you. Read the whole article clearly and then give me your explanation. Somebody has dleted lots of important informations in this "ERODE" page currently in the past 2 months including the topics of 1) Schools list, 2) Arts and Science Institutions, 3) Engineering and Technology, 4) Livestocks, 5) Print and Electronic Media, 6) Municipalities sorrounding Erode, 7) Retail, 8) Economy, 9) Road. All these topics and their story were completely deleted or partly deleted. Being a Citizen of Erode for the past 30 years, i know the whole History of Erode. Thatswhy i rerverted back all those unnecessary deletions and modifications. Now i am going to attach all the references and citing sources and then revert it back to get all those deleted details. Nothing is poorly sourced in this article, actually i am trying to make this article fully rich with true sources. EXAMPLE - I have written a list of 18 schools which are situated in erode city. You kept only 5 schools in that topic. Explain me why did you removed other 13 schools. What do you know about ERODE. You should refer this website - http://www.tamilnaduschools.co.in/erode/schools-list-1.html and learn how many schools are there in ERODE. Note - Im trying to insert the references and sources for all the details one by one. So don't revert back my changes immediately without knowing anything. And i am trying to put my efforts honestly, so don't test my patience. The moment you entered this page "Erode" on 6th June 2012, you deleted all the valuable informations about Erode.

Senthilrockz (talk) 15:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I have already explained in the edit summaries when I originally removed this content, and again at your talk page today. I also asked you to continue the discussion at Talk:Erode, should you have any desire to do so. Please note that Wikipedia is not a "social website". I am hoping that is just something that has gone astray in translation or whatever. The community expects collaborative editing within the bounds of its policies and guidelines. - Sitush (talk) 10:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Your notes

Saw your notes, looks like Boing and Salvio got everything under control? I'll be offline for a few more days. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 12:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Boing!, Salvio, Fowler, Qwyrxian, RegentsPark ... it is getting to be a cast of thousands! - Sitush (talk) 12:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Good to know, and btw, I haven't had time to look deeply, but the above section appears to relate to Sinsen (talk · contribs). Sodabottle was cleaning up those pages when the sock farm reared up then. I'll take a look when I get some time, but if one of the others have to take action in the meantime, the sock category for the aforementioned should provide contribution history. —SpacemanSpiff 12:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

There is something going on - a whole load of SPAs have just set up camp at the Erode article and they are making a mess of things. But you are already aware that I do not consider myself particularly good at matching behavioural traits when users are very new. - Sitush (talk) 13:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Ham House

I have been reading for pleasure and ran into the reference to Ham House, of which I am very fond. Since the article contains almost nothing about the history of the house, I thought this little anecdote might amuse the reader.

As to Macaulay, surely you don't fancy that he got the facts about this very public transaction wrong. That said, the question of whether Macaulay is considered up-to-date by current standards is a pedantic quibble.

My opinion of your prose is even lower than yours of mine. Fatidiot1234 (talk) 22:25, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Brand editor

Sitush, the changes that I made on the let's design page were not unsourced and there weren't any copyright violations either! did you even check all the references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brand editor (talk • contribs) 12:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I think that I said a bit more than just "unsourced" and possible copyvios. Bharatstudent is not a reliable source; glamgold is quite clearly recycling press releases and thus not independent ec; some was indeed unsourced; and some was most definitely POV-y, eg: "The show has been a great launch pad for some of the brightest fashion design students in the country by giving the contestants and winners hands on experience of having their work sized up by industry veterans". That, by the way, is one of the bits which reads like a copyright violation. - Sitush (talk) 12:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Angela

On what basis are the removals of the edits on LETS DESIGN are being made ? with just 2 winners being named out of 4 seasons run successfully ? doesn't make sense why updates are being not accepted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelaceciliatoppo (talk • contribs) 13:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

See the thread immediately above this one, ie: User:Sitush#Brand editor. Please note that this is one of several articles related to Govind Kumar Singh that has been subject to a substantial amount of socking, copyright violations, puffery etc. It is for that reason the thing appears on my radar, and when a group of relatively new contributors descend on it then it can signal another spate of promotion etc is going on. I note that this is your first contribution, although you registered a couple of weeks ago, and I am already slightly concerned regarding the even more recently-registered Brand editor, whom I think may have a conflict of interest with Sachit Bhatia (in turn, involved with Let's Design). I'll raise that issue as and when I have the time. I just hope that this does not indicate another spate of one person using several accounts. - Sitush (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Kulin Kayastha

I have been through the discussion on the talk page and have edited the parts suitably, kindly go through the new references I have introduced, the judgement citations are corroborated with books now. The books that have been cited in the judgements have also been added in the footnotes. -Ruderow —Preceding undated comment added 10:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I asked you to discuss this at Talk:Kulin Kayastha, where it is more likely to attract input from others. My talk page is not an appropriate venue for an article content dispute. - Sitush (talk) 10:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Image in the Govind Kumar Singh article

I have opened discussion about the image used in this article at Talk:Govind Kumar Singh#Image. As one of the parties involved in the addition or removal of the image, I am notifying you of the thread directly and inviting you to participate. —C.Fred (talk) 13:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I was replying as you wrote ^this^. I have re-opened the Vermapriya1986 SPI case page, by the way. - Sitush (talk) 13:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hii

Let the other editors complete their edits first, dont make edit conflicts, then send messages give time okayPaansing (talk) 14:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

hii

revert only what is not needed, stop reverting references and give time, got it give time to editPaansing (talk) 14:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Give time and brains

give time, you got it??? give time for the other editors to edit, give time give time and revert, show respectPaansing (talk) 14:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Fair point, although not for the WP:BLP violations. I'll give you an hour. - Sitush (talk) 14:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

hii

thanx, kindly dont repeat this again with me Paansing (talk) 14:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The burden is on you to ensure that your contributions comply with our policies, including those relating to verifiability and biographies of living people. The latter is a particularly important policy because it has legal implications for Wikipedia. It was for the latter reason - and the fact that the people whom you added had previously been deleted for the same - that caused me to step in sharply. Probably too sharply, I admit, but you really do not get very long to fix such problems and so I will be taking another look. - Sitush (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

hii

will try to include page numbers, but if I couldn't find, I cant do anything Paansing (talk) 16:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)