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For all your US title questions please read this first.
For all your ECW related questions please read this first.

The OVW Triple Crown

SilentRage decided to blank the OVW section, stating "OVW is irrellivant". I applaud him for being bold but I do't feel that blanking a section without discussion is constructive and if there is one thing the TCC talk page is renowned for it's long discussions. I would rather not have to keep reverting so I will state what I think. I have never seen any OVW wrestling, but I know that it breeds a good deal of the current WWE roster, so if OVW by itself is notable and we have pages for all three titles then a table to inform those who have an interest of who has won the three titles should be kept. Maybe it should be moved from the TCC page to the OVW page. But if SilentRage feels that OVW is "irrellivant" then maybe he should find some sources to improve its "rellivance". I slapped an OR tag on it before the AfD debate but that was a flag for others to find sources, not an invite to blank the section. Darrenhusted 14:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simply put, OVW isn't a major promotion. If we put OVW, then we'll have to put DSW, and a bunch of other mid-level federations. The list would be way too long. I actually would like to question you on why you would actually think that OVW is on the level of national promotions like WWE or TNA and why you think it is greater than, let's say, DSW or ROH. In fact, I think there was already a discussion and consensus on leaving-out the non-major promotions off the list. Check the archives. ---SilentRAGE! 17:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The page says Triple Crown, but is it really.

Hi! everyone. Okay I have a question why does the page say Triple Crown when we only accept WWE and TNA triple Crown records? Why not ECW, WCW, or OVW? What about indy promotions? We need to change the page to include everything. Not just TNA and WWE. If we don't change the page then change the name. It says Triple Crown and it should say TNA and WWE Triple Crown Championship. Or Triple Crown Championship in Major Professional Wrestling.--WillC 07:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It did have OVW and WCW listed, but they were unreferenced. I moved the OVW to the OVW page. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was just at the OVW page. Where did it go?--WillC 08:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, check the history. It was there, but as it has no refs it could have been removed, it has been a year or so since I moved it. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you but I just don't understand how come certain stuff gets taken down but I've seen other stuff with no source at all be kept than something that is easier to believe.--WillC 19:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with your logic is that it is, well, logic :P. When dealing with human beings, the logical course of action is usually the course that isn't taken. Don't try to understand it; if something seems stupid at first glance it probably is. Cheers, The Hybrid 03:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I didn't even understand what you meant. Whatever. But why don't we add the OVW and ECW Triple Crowns to ��e page as well. It is the Triple Crown Championship page and there is more Triple Crowns than the WWE and TNA Crowns.--WillC 06:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because there are no sources. Just because other stuff without sources is kept doesn't mean we have to keep this. Other mistakes don't justify more. Cheers, The Hybrid 07:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay if I can find a source for the OVW and ECW Triple Crowns can I add them then?--WillC 07:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it's reliable, yes. Cheers, The Hybrid 17:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay.--WillC 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Triple Crowns

The lead states that there is a Multiple Triple Crown. If so, why aren't the multiple triple crown winners in WWE listed? Chris Jericho, The Rock, Steve Austin and Bret Hart are each 2-time Triple Crown winners, Shawn Michaels is a 3-time Triple Crown winner and Edge is an astounding 5-time Triple Crown winner. I think they should be listed. Feedback ☎ 14:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC) [reply]

That only applies to TNA. Tenay and West often make reference to Styles being a "three time Triple Crown Champion." WWE never makes any such mention. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but WWE never makes any mention that the Triple Crown even exists. So, I think that argument isn't really consistent with the rest of the article. Because, apparently, I thought that the Triple Crown championship was something invented by the fans. But, if it's something WWE invented, and they don't mention it anymore, then I think that the last Triple Crown champion mentioned on TV is in fact the last triple crown champion. Who was this? Feedback ☎ 19:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WWE.com occasionally mentions the Triple Crown. It's sourced in the article, check the links. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The only source from WWE is that Pedro Morales is a Triple Crown Champion. Basically, there is absoulutely no other source. I challenge this as WP:OR. Feedback ☎ 19:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Revisiting this. I know TNA has caled Styles a 3 time Triple Crown champion, but I don't see the need to list him multiple times. There have only been 3 triple crown champions, and Styles is already one so he is not a potential triple crown champ. Maybe we could make a note below the table, but that's it. I think (this is my theory only) that TNA started calling Styles that because for a long time he was the only triple crown champ. TJ Spyke 23:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it is Final Resolution (2005) before the amazing Ultimate X match for the X title between Chris Sabin, A.J. Styles, and Petey Williams, where Tenay and West agree by saying that he has won all the titles in TNA three times apiece and is a three time Triple Crown champion as a result. I believe we should list each time it has happened and not be selective.--WillC 00:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about adding a summary table similar to the one in the snooker article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Crown_(snooker) so show how many of each titles the wrestler has won, then you can work out how many times they have won a company triple crown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.74.244 (talk) 12:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

US Championship title?

Isn't the US Championship equal in level to the Intercontinental Championship? By extension couldn't it be held as a proxy for the Intercontinental Championship, much like the WHC and the WWE titles?

Long answer: This has been discussed before. It assumed that they are of equal level, but doing so is original research which is not permitted on Wikipedia. WWE.com has pages that confirm WWE tag titles and WHC as proxies for the World tag and WWE titles, but so for the US title. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Short answer: No. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't matt hardy close to a triple crown or is he a triple crown because he was the tag team champion ( world and wwe) The Usa title and the Ecw championship

signed turtle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.38.16 (talk) 03:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, a former Tag champion needs an IC and World/WWE title reign. Matt has neither. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I definitely don't consider the ECW Title a surrogate for the World Heavyweight or the WWE championships, especially since PWI and other organizations don't recognize it as a world title anymore. The US Championship SHOULD substitute the Intercontinental Title, but until we get clear confirmation, we can't say that it does. So Matt with the PRESENT state of the Triple Crown must have an Intercontinental Title and WWE/World Heavyweight title reign. So in short, I agree with Darren. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.84.17 (talk) 16:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I think i understand why the US title and ECW title are not included. This is because the ECW title of course was from ECW and brought over by the WWE , the same with the US title from WCW. All the other titles are founded and the history began with WWE. -- Sion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.209.101 (talk) 11:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I still don't see why. Gavyn Sykes seems to think that although there is reason to believe that including the US title would be "original research" but isn't this whole article more or less original research? It's never been officially acknowledged by WWE. There is no official answer. Dahumorist (talk) 06:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WWE did on Raw, Edge stated it on tv that it is real. Plus WWE says Grandslam and Triple Crown in their articles all the time.WillC 06:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The ECW World Title is considered a World Title by the WWE and by Sections of the NWA so should it not be considered a World Title. Further more it is defended around the World on house shows and TV Tapings around the World so without doubt it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawisrob2 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The ECW Title has no world status. Because a championship is called a world title does not mean it is a world title. WWE nor the NWA give World status. You can call the OVW Championship a world title but it is not.--WillC 01:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the ECW Title is not on the same level as the WWE Championship or the World Heavyweight Championship, then why do the winners of the Royal Rumble get to choose between the three titles? Prior to WrestleMania 23, all 3 champions stood in the ring on RAW and Undertaker had to make his decision as to who to challenge at WrestleMania. On WWE.com, you can find this exact paragraph in the Royal Rumble 2008 results page (www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/history/2008/matches/5267610321112/results/) "Cena will be looking to capture some gold in the Sunshine State at WrestleMania XXIV … but which champion will he choose to face? Will he go after the WWE Championship – currently held by Randy Orton – and look to regain the title he never lost in the ring from a man who never beat him for it? Or will Cena look to conquer a different mountain and challenge an old foe, World Heavyweight Champion Edge, or a new kingpin, ECW Champion Chavo Guerrero, for a title he has never worn?" Based on both, it is clear that the WWE now recognizes the ECW Title as an equal belt along the lines of the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship, and thus, it should be on this page as part of the Triple Crown Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvibe222 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't about the equality of the ECW Championship though. While it is true that the winner of the Royal Rumble and Money in the Bank ladder match are awarded a world title match, which includes the ECW Championship, WWE has yet to declare that the ECW Championship or the United States Championship also compose part of the Triple Crown or Grand Slam Champion status. --UnquestionableTruth-- 04:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And where is it sourced on here that the WWE specifically came out and stated that the World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE Tag Team Championships can compose part of the Triple Crown? Since those aren't sourced, someone obviously assumed they were equal to the WWE Championship and World Tag Team Championships, and decided to put them on here as part of the Triple Crown. Jvibe222 (talk) 04:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He (Shawn Michaels) would also become the first-ever WWE “Grand Slam” Champion, winning the WWE, World Heavyweight, European, Intercontinental and World Tag Team Title gold. - World Heavyweight Championship composes part of Triple Crown and Grand Slam as an alternate world title. While most fans of this (Kurt Angle) former Grand Slam Champion... - Angle never won the World Tag Team Championship, only the WWE Tag Team Championship. Thus, the WWE Tag Team Championship is an alternative tag team title.--UnquestionableTruth-- 04:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But what would make it a world title. Title defences in Japan or Mexico would wouldn't it?-Rawisrob2 December 28, 2008 1159 a.m. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawisrob2 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it, whenever WWE recognizes that the United States Championship or the ECW Championship are or were eligible for a triple crown championship, then it will be known.Speculation on what makes it a world title or any kind will not be inserted into the article. — Moe ε 20:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Champions?

What is the point of the Potential Champions section? And if it actually has one [which I doubt], why shouldn't the non-contracted talent be placed? Owen Hart [who's dead], BG James, Val Venis, Ken Shamrock, Test, Lance Storm, Kip James, Rikishi, The Godfather, Roddy Piper, The Mountie, Jeff Jarrett, Marty Jannetty, Davey Boy Smith [also dead], Greg Valentine, Tito Santana and Christian [likely contracted to WWE] also fit the requirements of being "Potential Triple Crowns" even if they aren't contracted. Feedback ☎ 21:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Potentiality is relative. You're not entitled to "potentially" do something if you just can't do it. (You can't win a title if you don't work for the company.) As to the point of the section: no clue. ---SilentRAGE! 22:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is that anybody still alive should be included, even if they aren't with the company (i.e. we would list Hulk Hogan as needing a IC Title reign). TJ Spyke 00:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's... Not happening. KP McZiggy (they talk 2 me) 00:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And Andre The Giant was a Potential Champion, he never won this title.

-201.207.245.14 (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Legends Championship

If say, Booker T. were to hold the TNA World Title and The Tag Team Titles, would he still be considered a Triple Crown Champion? Even if he didn't win the X-Division Title, he has the Legends belt... KP McZiggy (they talk 2 me) 00:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But that is original research considering that TNA has made no mention or attempt to even consider the Legends Belt has anything to do with the Triple Crown championship.--WillC 01:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I’m sure this question will come up again, because AJ Styles is scheduled to challenge for the TNA Legends’ Championship at Destination X. Should AJ Styles win the Legends’ Champion, will he become TNA Wrestling’s first “Grand Slam” champion? (Will this be like Shawn Michaels winning the WWE, Intercontinental, European, and Tag Team Titles?) TNAFan09 (talk) 19:46, 25 February 2009 CLTC)
Doubtful it will go with the crown since the title `s not a TNA title. It was made by Booker in the storyline, so since it isn't an original title under the title management, it probably will not belong.--WillC 20:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is a recognised title by TNA Management —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.197.126 (talk) 10:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US & ECW Different Arguement

I read in a section above that the US & ECW championship were brought over from WCW & ECW. In the same section, someone made the arguement that assuming that the US championship is at the same level as the intercontinental championship is orginal research. Orginal Research is most certainly described as assuming that this ECW championship is the same as the previous one. The ECW championship should be recognized as a world championship, and the US championship should be recognized as a secondary. We don't call the WHC the WCW championship, now then do we? KP McZiggy (they talk 2 me) 00:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that theory is this, the US Title was once the WCW US Title but WWE places it as a secondary title yes, but states that it isn't part of the Triple Crown. They have always considered the Triple Crown holding either one of the tag and either one of the world titles and the IC title. The ECW Title has also been used the same way and WWE even states it is the same title that was once in ECW, though they don't have the original belt since Rhino has it at the moment. WWE have made no mention of them being apart of the Triple Crown. So unless they state it, we can't go by that speculation or OR.--WillC 01:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please site where the WWE does state that the US Title and the ECW Title is not part of the Triple Crown.03:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldstryfe (talk • contribs)
We don't need references for things that are unsaid, you need references for unverified statements. The United States Championship and ECW Championship have never been acknowledged as something the Triple Crown can be completed with, so it won't be added without references. — Moe ε 00:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not Possible?

I really think the "not possible" designation needs to be removed. It is not "not possible" for Rob Van Dam or Kurt Angle or Booker T to win additional titles in WWE. Just because they aren't currently employed by WWE doesn't mean it's impossible. I can understand keeping people out of the "potential champions" section if they aren't currently with the company, since there's so many of them... but saying that it's "not possible" for any living person to win another title is factually incorrect. VWG (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Just because they aren't currently employed by WWE doesn't mean it's impossible", is just logically incorrect. Unless they are rehired, that designation stays. — Moe ε 15:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with VWG, it should say currently ineligible or something similar, No future reign possible makes it sound like there's no chance they could ever get hired again. Doesn't that violate the whole crystal ball thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.29.82 (talk) 20:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No future reign possible, is fine. Being employed to WWE again would add them back as potential superstars who could accomplish it, however, saying they could just because they are active wrestlers is just, like you said, going against WP:CRYSTAL. Anyone could be hired or fired from WWE any given day, then again, that day may never come. — Moe ε 16:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with VWG and 24.93.29.82 - "1 ^ The wrestler is no longer employed by World Wrestling Entertainment or retired from professional wrestling, so future reigns are not possible." is very badly worded, and surely breaks WP:Crystal Ball. For example, there is no reason why Kurt Angle, or Ric Flair, can't return to the WWE, so a future reign is possible. I would suggest, and will be WP:Bold that "at this time" is added to that note. 81.156.230.98 (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This `s ۋat I was coming to comment on... These guys aren't dead, sf it's not "impossible" that they could have those titles. By definition, "not possible" is wrong here. Flair left for quite some time between his world title reign and tag and IC reigns... when he left in 92 or 94 or whatever, it didn't become "impossible" for him to get the other belts, obviously, as he DID. It should say "not currently elligible." 71.171.103.194 (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Steve[reply]

The implication in the page is "at this time" as the page would be edited if Angle returned full time. Darrenhusted (talk) 23:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed "possible" to "probable" (except where defunct titles and dead wrestlers are concerned). This just makes sense. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AJ Styles

why is aj under triple crown champions and then underneath it states that he is a potential champion. he already is one.82.2.58.174 (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)Black6989[reply]

He is acknowledged as a multi-TCC, therefore he still has the potential to be a quad-TCC. Darrenhusted (talk) 20:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, AJ still has the ability to become a five time champion. He held the X Title 6 times and the NWA and TNA World tag titles 5 times in total. If he was to win the TNA World Title two times, he would become a five Triple Crown champion. Then if he won the tag belts again, he would be eligible once again to be a Triple Crown champion after he won the world title two times.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 20:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A.J. should be removed from the potential champions list, he is not a potential champion anymore as he has already done it. Just because TNA goes through this BS (which I suspect they only did because he was the only one to do it), doesn't mean we should. Besides, if he meets the requirements again he can be added. My support goes to removing him. TJ Spyke 22:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He is a potential 4 time Triple Crown Champion. So either way he has the potential to be another Triple Crown champion.--WillC 23:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm correct, AJ has become a quad-TCC this sunday at No Surrender. He is a 4 time Triple Crown Champion. He also can become a 5 time if he wins the TNA World Heavyweight Championship again. Since he has a TNA Tag reign and 2 more TNA X Division reigns.--WillC 03:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AJ Styles won the TNA World Heavyweight championship. Shouldn't he be removed from the potential list NOW? I read this entire schpeel and I am convinced it's time to remove his name. It's not like there's 2 columns for the X title, NWA & TNA like there is for the WHC coulmns. 65.43.96.3 (talk) 19:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So you read the entire "schpeel"? And yet you miss that TNA recognised multiple TCC, and so they also recognise multiple potential. So he will almost always be in a state of winning, or about to win a TNA TCC, so he stays. Darrenhusted (talk) 20:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Definative WWE reference

For those seeking to improve the article with better references, the May 2009 issue of WWE Magazine (an official publication) includes a feature on those who have achieved a WWE Triple Crown. In addition to the definitive list of wrestlers, it also answers the question if which titles count towards it. In short, the US title is not currently considered, unlike the IC, WWE, World Heavyweight and both tag titles. However, there is a question for readers as to whether it should be included. So future revision may be neccessary depending on the results of that. Notably, there is absolutely no mention of the ECW title, so it seems to be out if the running completely. Just so everyone knows, and I think the magazine article would make a good reference, as it is verifiable, reliable (by pro wrestling standards) and citable (and print sources are typically considered superior to web ones for their permanance and editorial standards). oknazevad (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to help your point here is a web link to the statement. http://www.wwe.com/magazine/magazinefeatures/featureoftheweek20090423a/

I checked this link and noticed that it had been updated by WWE to include Rey Mysterio, whereas the print article did not. However, the printed article mentioned Rey as needing only the IC belt which he then won at WM25. I point this out to show that this is a reference that can be checked on periodically to see if the WWE at some point does update the Triple Crown to have the US (and maybe one day the ECW) title to the to list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraith Wolf (talk • contribs) 16:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page doesn't exist anymore, so its up for debate all over again24.168.27.158 (talk) 23:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not technically true, the article still exists in the May 2009 issue of WWE magazine. Until WWE puts out a new article either in print or their website to update, that issue is still the WWE's definition of the Triple Crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.136.129 (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The link above still works. So I don't see the problem.


So... the WCW/"World Championship" is not included in the definition? Is WWE not considering previous title history of the NWA/WCW/"World Championship" a part of the World Heavyweight Championship history? Or has it been retconned again? - Lex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.55.232 (talk) 04:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Guys, on the gaming section of WWE.com, there is a game where we must name all Triple Crown Champions. The Criteria according to this game is the WWE, Intercontinental and the WWE/World Tag Team Championships. I named Christian (who has won the WHC only, not the WWE title) & Dolph Ziggler, they are not counted. Just like Booker T and Chris Benoit, although the latter is known why. Here is the link. http://www.wwe.com/play/games/type-or-tap

Does this mean that we have to approve this as a genuine source of WWE's qualfication of a Triple Crown Champion, therefore altering the table? Lucha-Method (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

Triple Crown Championship -> Triple Crown (wrestling)

The current title strikes me as too generic, and ambiguous about which triple crown the article discusses. Concerns over confusion with the AJPW Triple Crown would be covered by the already existing link on the top of the page, and by the fact that the AJPW title has just that in it's title.

Thoughts?<-Oops, forgot to sign.oknazevad (talk) 02:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential champion?

Hi. This discussion started in Nick Nemeth's article, but now i asked this here. HHH won the IC title under the gimmick of Hunter Heart Hemsley but he change his gimmick in TV to HHH and he is a Triple Crown Champion. But, if the gimmick wasn¡t changed in TV. For example, imagine thah Glen Jacobs won the WWF title under the Dentist Isaaac gimmick, norunder the Kanes gimmick. He changed his gimmick behind TV and won the TTC and IC. If Jacobs win the title with a gimmick without relation with the gimmick who win the other titles, he is a Triple Crown? Is similar, if Nick Nemeth win the IC Championship, he will we a Potential triple crown champion (IC & Tag Team with Spirit Squad) or no, because his gimmicks are different.?--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gimmicks have nothing to do with anything, it is the wrestler that wins the titles. But as Nemeth has only won the tag title then he is only a potential potential champion. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the wrestler has won one of the two tag titles, they shouldn't need the other set, is this correct?74.136.5.234 (talk) 19:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Young and Kaz?

Should they be included on the potential triple crown championships, when their tag title reign, and Young's X Division title reign, are heavily disputed and not even officially recognized?

TNA recognized the reigns while they were all champions for a short time. All that has to be done is the company recognize them for a second to be official. TNA no longer recognizing them isn't a big deal. TNA however do recognizing stripping them of the titles.--WillC 03:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US TITLE INCLUSION

I think it's about time we included it as a secoundary championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.19.28 (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where is your source it is apart of the accomplishment?--WillC 05:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

US Title Exclusion

The WWE have officially defined the criteria here. The United States Championship is excluded, of course. Remember that the US title is the continuation of a WCW title and therefore not part of the "WWE' Triple Crown. Feedback ☎ 20:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Triple Crown champions/key Table Order

In the article for Grand Slam Champions, the champions table is followed by the key table, whereas in this article the key table comes first - I assume they should be the same, but I'm unsure as to which is correct (or even preferred). Anyody who does know fancy sorting it out? BulbaThor (talk) 21:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Abyss - TNA Triple Crown

Time to add Abyss? He just won the television title Sunday night and has already held the heavyweight (NWA) and tag team belts (NWA) before. Not sure if holding the NWA belts counts against him, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snorii (talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to TNA, the Legends/Global/Television title is a tertiary championship not part of their triple crown but part of their grand slam. The X Division title is a secondary title that does make up part of the triple crown. --UnquestionableTruth-- 22:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dolph Ziggler

I don't like the guy, mostly because I'm an admitted MARK, but he is a triple crowner now. 65.43.96.3 (talk) 13:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thats what I am wondering. Will WWE count him seeing as one reign was under a different name

  • Bottom line---Ziggler has won all of the proper titles to be a TC winner, regardless of the gimmick.
  • In other words, the man behind the gimmick is what counts. He won the belts, thus he's a TC winner, period.

Vjmlhds 16:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i dont think so as wwe does indeed count his world title reign and intercontinental reigns but on his wwe page they do not list a tag team title reign and as he did not officialy win it as kenny and mikey did. and just because he defended under the freebird rule it doesnt mean it counts so i dont think wwe offically recognizes him as a triple crown champion so unless you find a source from wwe.com i say take it down — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black60dragon (talk • contribs) 03:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Freebird Rule specifically states that all members are recognized as Champions, and any two can defend the titles.

WWE did this themselves years ago with Demolition once Crush came on board. Same thing with the Spirit Squad.

All 5 guys were recognized as Champions, and any 2 could defend the belts. Therefore, Ziggler counts.

Vjmlhds 16:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ROH triple crown

Being that ROH is the 3rd largest US wrestling promotion behind WWE & TNA I think they deserve a section for triple crowns. They currently only have one, Eddie Edwards, who has won the tag title, tv title, and world title.76.84.241.161 (talk) 03:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Triple Crown or even a Grand Slam championship isnt a atandard accomplishment that all promotions recognize. The only reason WWE and TNA have sections here is because they do recognize such accomplishments. ROH has as of date made no indication that they recognize a Triple Crown championship.--UnquestionableTruth-- 04:18, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ecw and wcw did aswell so we should add them i have links below and the list i have the tables in my sandbox i also think we should list that wwe does not count completing it twice as far as we know but i think we should list those you have. (for example)Even though WWE does not count completing it more than once Edge has completed it a record five times. Same for grand slam as well as .Jeff hardy has completed the Grand Slam a record three times in a row. i also have ovw and roh if they accept it and those are the titles but anyway i really think we should do those three. list the wcw and ecw and list in the description those who have completed more than once --Black60dragon (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here's your source about the ROH Triple Crown:

ROH Triple Crown

It's straight from the ROH website, so there should be no problems.

Eddie Edwards is in fact an ROH TC winner.

Thank You.

Vjmlhds 15:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an article that states ROH would recognize the (now defunct) Pure Championship as a substitute for the TV Title as part of the ROH Triple Crown:

Pure Title = TV Title for Triple Crown

Vjmlhds 17:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

good find--UnquestionableTruth-- 20:28, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ECW WCW and others

i think we need to list that wcw had a triple crown and ecw had a triple crown http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/archive/cardonahired its on here its says Mikey Whipwreck the ecw triple crown

  • ECW
  • -
  • Name______________ ECW World_________ECW Tag ECW_______________________________World Television
  • Johnny Hotbody______April 26, 1992_______April 3, 1993 (with Chris Candido and Chris Michaels) August 12, 1992
  • Sabu ______________October 2, 1993______February 4, 1995 (with The Tazmaniac)____________November 13, 1993
  • Mikey Whipwreck____October 28, 1995_____August 27, 1994 (with Cactus Jack)_______________March 6, 1994
  • Taz________________January 10, 1999_____December 4, 1993 (with Kevin Sullivan)_____________March 6, 1994
  • -
  • OVW
  • Name___________OVW Heavyweight__OVW Southern Tag Team__________________OVW Television
  • Brent Albright____April 25, 2005______March 31, 2004 (with Chris Masters)__________January 5, 2005
  • CM Punk________May 3, 2006______July 28, 2006 (with Seth Skyfire)______________November 9, 2005
  • Idol Stevens______March 14, 2007___October 10, 2003 (with Nova)_________________January 4, 2006
  • -
  • WCW
  • WCW Triple Crown
  • NWA World Title (1975-1991)/WCW World Title (1991-2001)
  • U.S. Title (1975-Mar. 26, 2001)
  • NWA/WCW World Tag Team Title (1975-Mar. 26, 2001)
  • Dusty Rhodes
  • Ric Flair
  • Ricky Steamboat
  • Sting
  • Lex Luger
  • DDP
  • Bret Hart
  • Goldberg
  • Chris Benoit
  • Booker T
  • Scott Steiner
  • All except Goldberg and Hart are also Grand Slam winners, as they held the TV Title as well.
  • -
  • ROH
  • ROH World Title (2002-present)
  • TV Title (2010-present)
  • ROH Tag Team Title (2002-present)
  • Eddie Edwards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Black60dragon/Sandbox here is the tables its at the bottom of the page already made when you add it Black60dragon (talk) 04:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Issue being it only mentions him as an ECW Triple Crown Champion, not what it is. Also, there is no source for any of the others.--WillC 09:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/columns/misc/bgedgington01.html if its reliable a few things 1 i didnt put sources because i havent looked any up yet i will later but as for the ecw thing i mean really think about it here is the list of all the ecw championships 1.ECW World Heavyweight Championship 2.ECW World Tag Team Championship 3.ECW World Television Championship

so as there are only 3 titles in ecw and whipwreck as won only those three those are what count toward the triple crown as for roh well need to see if they accept triple crowns and ovw and wcw we can find links but the ovw is official for sure and wcw im pretty sure it is as heres the wcw titles 1.WCW World Heavyweight Championship 2.WCW World Tag Team Championship 3.WCW United States Championship 4.WCW World Television Championship Black60dragon (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NWA

Ladies Triple Crown

If Mickie James wins the Knockouts title, should we make a Ladies Triple Crown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.225.21 (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See Original Research. Unless its recognize by the appropriate parties, we do not just simply make stuff up. There is currently no such thing as a "Ladies Triple Crown."--UnquestionableTruth-- 07:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dohlph Zigler

Then why do we count Dolph Ziggler as one if WWE does not count him as one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.225.21 (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dohlph Zigler won the World Heavyweight Championship in February 2011, the Intercontinental Championship in June 2010, His World Tag Team Championship reign came as a result of being a member of the Spirit Squad in April 2006. (That's not making anything up since it actually happened)--UnquestionableTruth-- 21:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still, everyone says that if its not counted on WWE.com, its not official and Dolph Ziggler isn't in the Triple Crown section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.225.21 (talk) 22:34, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, who says its not counted on WWE.com, and where is Ziggler not listed in a Triple Crown section? See WP:BURDEN. Prove it and it'll be changed accordingly.--UnquestionableTruth-- 00:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Nemeth (the man behind the Dolph Ziggler gimmick) has won an appropriate combination of championships to qualify for the TC (World-IC-World Tag Team).

There is no debate--he won the titles, therefore he counts.

Period.

Vjmlhds 04:59, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WCW

Should there be a WCW Triple Crown if anybody won it there? Iml908 (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i have the table and here is a link if its reliable and everyone else agrees ill add it http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/RayNRon/misc/interesting.html Black60dragon (talk) 01:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC) it the 7th down[reply]

The Miz

Hi all, shouldn't The Miz be in this list?

I would add him but I don't know the dates which he won the titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.110.93 (talk) 18:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The US title is not counted as official and he has not held the Intercontinental title Iml908 (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with the ECW Triple Crown

There are two issues I have found regarding the ECW TC. The first being that the lead section states that "National promotions that officially recognize Triple Crown winners include World Wrestling Entertainment, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, Ring of Honor, and the defunct Extreme Championship Wrestling." I believe that ECW should be removed from this list, as the original company did not recognize any such accolade. It was not until years after the company shut down and filed bankruptcy, and WWE subsequently purchased all of it's assets, including the championships, that recognition came to an ECW TC (February 27, 2006 according to the source given). The ECW promotion no longer existed; WWE was the controlling promotion.

And the second issue is the source itself. The only reference to an ECW TC is from Matthew Cardona calling Mikey Whipwreck the ECW Triple Crown Champion. To me this does not seem like a very reliable source to be using as justification for creating an ECW TC. Granted WWE.com allowed the material to be published on their website, however it was not them directly saying so, they essentially just put up what Cardona stated. There have been several instances where a person saying they achieved something (Miz stating he is a Grand Slam Champion, JBL stating he was before he won the IC), and those have not been allowed into articles. So a person with no control over the matter saying that someone else is a TCC does not seem to have much credability to it. I think that, in this case, until WWE.com or one of the reliable third party sources, and not a tryout wrestler who had just received a developmental contract, states there was an ECW TC, this section should not be included. 76.29.164.90 (talk) 22:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We agreed to add it so keep it. your an ip user which means you cant just take something off and a wikipedia user cant just take something big off without discussing it. it states there is and its on wwe.com doesnt matter who said it there are other sights that say that to. so stop vandalizing this page and leave it how it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black60dragon (talk • contribs) 00:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Let's discuss it. There is a section on WP:PW, which has support for removal of the ECW section. Also to point out, per Wikipedia's policy, Consensus can change HidyHoTim (talk) 02:20, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i have the table and here is a link if its reliable and everyone else agrees ill add it http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/RayNRon/misc/interesting.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black60dragon (talk • contribs) 01:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to say that I did not intend for the page itself to be nominated for deletion, as I do not challenge the existence of a Triple Crown Championship accolade. As I stated on both this talk page and the Project Page, I am raising issue specifically in regards to the ECW section.
Dragon, you did not refute the claim that the ECW promotion did not recognize any TCC and that it was not until WWE took control that any such reference came into existence. The only source given is dated 2006, after the ECW promotion shut down. Unless there is presented a source stating that ECW did recognize such accolade while independent from the WWE, the reference to ECW in the lead should be removed. And for the section itself, as I do not feel like dragging this on and in line with my argument for removing ECW from the list of promotions that recognized a TCC, I move that the ECW and WWE sections on the page be merged together, not as one list but have ECW be a subsection of WWE, again as they were the controlling promotion when recognition came to both TCCs. HidyHoTim (talk) 09:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I do not believe the link you gave would qualify as a reliable source. However, I would urge you check with the project page on that one. HidyHoTim (talk) 09:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WCW Triple Crown

We have once source that tells us that WCW did indeed have a Triple Crown (the WCW encyclopedia that was referenced).

Make it 2--here's a little diddy from WWE - [1] which considers the WCW TV title has a substitute for the tag straps.

Do with this what you will.

Vjmlhds 19:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

big show,wcw triple crown champion?

big show had won the wcw world and tag team titles in wcw,and won the united states title in 2003,and since it is the same tile,should big show be a wcw triple crown champion? Wwe95 (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No because while it is referenced to the lineage it was renamed the WWE United States title and was no longer the WCW United States title. Also WCW was gone by then and The Alliance no longer existed as well at this time. Edshaft (talk) 13:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the ECW as a promotion was gone with the Alliance, but RVD is a Triple Crwn Winner with the WWE version of the ECW Championship. --80.31.250.185 (talk) 19:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WCW was long defunct when Big Show won the U.S. Championship, thus it doesn't count towards him being a WCW Triple Crown winner. WWE's ECW brand was considered as a relaunch/continuation of the original ECW, thus RVD's ECW World title win does count towards him being an ECW Triple Crown winner. Vjmlhds 04:36, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I figure it is Original Research. However, WWE publicly state the US Title is the WCW US Title.--WillC 06:53, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And also WWE considers there to be a WCW TC and since wwe owns WCW and all of its stuff and since it is the same title (WCW or WWE) wwe can consider him a WCW TC since they own it they can do as they wish so who says he is not a WCW Triple Crown Champ If Wwe united states title was included after 2003 john cena and the Miz would be added to the listRanul (talk) 06:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting statements

As I recall, the inclusion of the World Heavyweight Championship as part of the Triple Crown and Grand Slam was based on an article on WWE.com which stated Shawn Michaels was a Grand Slam winner, having won the WWE, World Heavyweight, Intercontinental, Tag Team, and European. However, as it stands today, the article seems to no longer be on the WWE website (that I could find) and the reference link on the Grand Slam page gives you a redirect to the main WWE.com page. Now I'm not sure how this affects the 'credibility' of the inclusion of the WHC, now that the main source seems to no longer be able to be 'proved.'

Regardless, the most recent [2] Triple Crown article put forth on their website states "WWE has it's own Triple Crown Championship that only an elite group of Superstars have achieved, capturing the WWE, Intercontinental and World Tag Team Titles throughout their careers." Furthermore, included in the article is CM Punk, who "won the WWE Title for the first time at Money in the Bank 2011, making him a WWE Triple Crown winner." Given Punk already had three WHC reigns by this point, stating that he was not a Triple Crown winner until after his WWE Championship victory seems to indicate a revision, by WWE, of the Triple Crown definition (it is, after all, their accolade and they are at liberty to change it, just as they did to include the WHC). I know that WWE says a lot of things on their site, however there has been much, much debate, and consensus is, that the U.S. Title cannot be included because WWE hasn't officially declared it so (there are paragraphs on both the TCC and GSC wiki pages declaring this). Since the community here decided that WWE has to say 'Yes,' we also have to allow it when they to say 'No,' and with this most recent article they appear to be now saying "No" to the WHC.

This is not deliberately meant to be stirring up old debates or causing problems, however I feel that, in the interest of making sure things are as current and accurate as possible, it is important to pose this opinion of what has been "officially" stated by WWE and to get input by as many as possible. 67.181.76.194 (talk) 04:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is very strange. Of course, USA Title never appear in the description of the TC Winners Club. But I read this page and I don't see Booker T, Angle or Christian. But, the aricle says the Three original belts', I think that the article only shows the TCW that have won the Original Triple Crown (Booker and Christian won the WHC and Angle, the Tag Team Championship) Also, a question. Do we have the soucre of Angle's coronation as TCC?--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:52, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A wrinkle is thrown in when you consider the even newer world champs of the 2000s. It names Orton the 17th Triple Crown Champ. Only way he can be #17 is if you go by the definitions currently used in the article. 71.229.53.21 (talk) 01:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is another "wrinkle," though, when they post this [3]. As can be clearly seen, they include the World Tag team or WWE Tag Team, yet no mention of the World Heavyweight Championship. Now, personally, it seems a bit silly to be referencing a trivia game as an argument, however when putting thought into it, a sentence in an article can be seen as maybe an off-handed comment at times. Yet this was designing the game to include an alternate for the tag team requirement and an exclusion of the World Heavyweight Championship.
And they set the number of "all" the superstars who won the "Triple Crown - the WWE Championship, the Intercontinental Championship and the World or WWE Tag Team Championship," it is 20. This list contains 24 names. Excluded from the 20, according to WWE and cross referenced with this list, are: Benoit, Booker T, Christian, Ziggler. The one thing these four have in common, to be included on this page list and excluded by WWE as Triple Crown Winners, is they did not win the WWE Championship. Much like when Major League Baseball redefined no-hitters and perfect games in 1991 and took away once-recognized accomplishments by ptchers as being official, I believe this should be reflected in this page that WWE does not consider the WHC as a substitute for the primary championship requirement. 67.181.76.194 (talk) 05:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Coming to the conclusion this way violates WP:SYNTH. If you want to say WWE does not consider the WHC appropriate, you must find a source explicitly saying so. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WWE has defined the criteria and officially included the World Heavyweight Championship over 2 years ago. Not only that, but I posted this same reference on this very same page in an above section titled "US title exclusion". If only you guys did a little more research, you would avoid this silly argument. Feedback ☎ 17:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Steiner update

Now that Steiner is in the WWE, they defined the WCW Triple Crown. here says that the USA and TV titles are part of the Triple Crown (Like the WWE and WHC Championships, or Hardcore and European in the Grand Slam). Also, the article says that only exist 9 WCW TC, so Big Show isn't a WCW Triple Crown Champion.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:48, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm an idiot, but where does this linked page even mention a WCW Triple Crown, let alone define it? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not calling you an idiot, but I just want to say that if you scroll through the pictures, you'll find it. Feedback ☎ 22:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see no scrollable pictures. Guessing this is one of those things I need to run Javascript to see, but can't without crashing my PS3. Such a clunky site. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but if someone could transcribe the claim into plain text here for everyone to see, that'd be cool. Also, is Steiner (the person) back in WWE, or just his profile? Kind of shocking, in 2012. Nevermind that. Easy Google. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.wwe.com/widget/superstar_avatar_903/nojs/milestone/25057144/26031993 --Khajidha (talk) 05:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think he was listed as one.--174.93.167.177 (talk) 01:07, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There are articles referenced on the main page that show that there was indeed a WCW Triple Crown, and that WWE recognizes it. Vjmlhds 19:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, here WWE says that Booker T is a WCW Triple Crown Winner because he won the four titles. I think that, both articles defined the WCW triple Crown championship. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Gold" Standards

I added gold to the Triple Crown charts to point out wrestlers who "ran the table" as it were and won every single title that would qualify for a TC.

This is especially in regards to WWE and TNA, since they have multiple titles that can substitute for one another.

Vjmlhds 19:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ROH Triple Crown II

Per paragraph 4 here, the Pure Title is not an alternative to the TV Title, but can be counted in addition to it. Tag Titles are apparently not necessary and Jay Lethal is a World Title away (explicitly stated). I have changed the article accordingly. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but for future reference, An ROH World, TV/Pure, and Tag Title combo will be the original definition of the ROH TC, as when Eddie Edwards first won it, that was how it was defined. (and will be colored in yellow on the chart). Anybody who does the World, TV, and Pure combo will go down as an alternate definition (and be colored in green) as that was a new definition after the original was established. And if somebody runs the table, they'll be colored in gold. I'd like to get some consensus just to make sure we're all on the same page. Vjmlhds 03:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't care less about colour coding. So I'm not not on the same page. Everyone loves gold! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I added Eddie Edwards' ROH bio as a reference to show that the original definition of the ROH TC was World/TV/Tag. It was after the fact that they included the Pure Title in the mix. Vjmlhds 14:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it is strange. The article says that Lethal can be the 2nd man to hold a Triple Crown, but Strong is the 2nd, lethal will be the 3rd.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC) Sorry, I thought that it was a current article. In that case, I think that a ROH Triple Crown is a wrestler that won 3 of the 4 titles at ROH.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

q?

john cena has won the world heavyweight title at least twice. he is a mulltiple wwe champ and he's a former wwe tag champ.

why hasnt he designated as a triple crown champ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.26.74.60 (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No Intercontinental title. It's all explained in the article. But now that he's found that magical red briefcase, look out Christian! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Miz

The Miz has just won the Intercontinental Championship. Please add him to the list of Triple Crown Champions. Source http://www.wwe.com/superstars/champions - Not updated yet since he only won it ten minutes ago. Also, Michael Cole stated on air that Miz is a Triple Crown Champion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1717ABC1717 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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