Talk:Mohamed Morsi

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More importantly, hes the MB's backup presidential candidate since a week ago and with the main candidate disqualified, he's poised to become the next President of Egypt so someone should flesh out this page ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.255.22 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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official results not yet announced - status as president

There have been a series of competing edits alternately ascribing Morsi the title of president or deleting the presidency-related infobox. SCAF has yet to announce the official results of the election. Shouldn't the infobox be removed until he is confirmed as president? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abulubada (talk • contribs) 17:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree. I am going to take the initiative and remove the box saying he is "President of Egypt" because he categorically is not, even if he has won the election - the results are not yet announced - it remains to be seen if he will be inaugurated. Even if he is to be inaugurated, he will not assume office immediately. I hope other editors will support this decision and report any subsequent vandalism!Aetheling1125 22:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Please, let's wait until Morsi is inaugurated (July 1), before we put fifth President in the intro. GoodDay (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. When referring to politicians, it's proper to use the term "-Elect" until they're inaugurated, look in the history for for Barack Obama's page between November 6 2008 (election day) and January 20 2009 (inauguration day). "President-Elect" rather than President is used throughout the article DavidSSabb (talk) 18:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

This article needs semi-protection, as the Ips continue to insert that he's already president. GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Morsi opposes democracy and favors discrimination ?

The man elected president of Egypt, Mohamed Morsi, heads a party with a platform priciple that no woman and no Christian or Jew may run for or be elected president of Egypt (Egypt Independent, Sunday June 24, 2012 - http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/352738). This is particularly important to include in our encyclopedic entry, one would think, in light of the fact that the mass media are dumbing down the news they report (see CBS Evening News, ABC World News, and NBC Nightly News) breathlessly saying not much more than: the Egyptian people have "chosen democracy", and that a dictatorship has been replaced by a "democratically elected" government. No one can force ABC NBC and CBS to point out that it is a democratically elected dictatorship (!), but at least our encyclopedic source of information can report to Wikipedia users that the new government forbids democracy, unless it is their "democracy". (No Women, Christians, or Jews, allowed to be elected democratically). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.2.190 (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the article you've provided in the link matches what you're saying.

"Mohamed Morsi, heads a party with a platform priciple that no woman and no Christian or Jew may run for or be elected president of Egypt"

The article you linked to says that they (the Muslim Brotherhood) would not put forward a woman or Christian for President. It doesn't say that they wouldn't allow one to run for President, just that their party wouldn't put one forward. In fact, it says that they have no intention of imposing this on others:

Saad al-Husseini, a member of MB's Guidance Bureau, the highest executive authority within the group, said the new party program will be announced late March after it is approved by the MB’s Guidance Office and Shura Council. Al-Husseini said that although they stick by this view, they "respect all opinions”.

"Our adherence to the jurisprudential opinion refusing the appointment of women or Christians as president does not mean we impose this opinion on the people, who have inherent jurisdiction in this regard," he said.

"No Women, Christians, or Jews, allowed to be elected democratically"

Jews aren't mentioned in the article you've linked to, but it doesn't say at any point that any of the groups of people you mention wouldn't be allowed to be elected democratically. Again, from the article:

Saad al-Husseini:

“I personally accept for Copts to be appointed in hundreds of positions, including sensitive leadership positions in the country in accordance with the criterion of efficiency and competence, regardless of their proportion in society.”

Mohamed Morsi:

"During an interview on state-owned television on Sunday night, Morsi said, "The civil state sought by Islam and the MB would ensure equal rights for Copts.

He pointed out that the new party will not discriminate in its membership between Muslims and Christians, or males and females, and that it will represent the politically focused side of the group, while the MB will continue to practice all of its social and preaching activities."

--Voiceofplanet (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Reliable source or not? If yes, it's ...significant.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_13/74584752/

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night. Today Egypt is close as never before to the triumph of Islam at all the state levels, he said. “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

Pär Larsson (talk) 12:47, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't find a secondary source, except unreliable ones that cite the Voice of Russia. Trinitresque (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23270/language/en-US/Default.aspx Same quote, no source cited, I suppose it's possible that it's just the media echo chamber repeating the Voice of Russia writing. Funny how mainstream media hasn't picked it up, I figured at least Fox so-called News would have.Pär Larsson (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

This: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/46170/World/Region/Egypt-denies-Morsi-gave-interview-to-Irans-Fars-ag.aspx Trinitresque (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Article you link to appears to have nothing to do with the quote above. What?Pär Larsson (talk) 20:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

You appear to be right. I'm not sure why I did that; I might have replied to the wrong section. Trinitresque (talk) 22:13, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Wants closer ties to Iran

Morsi has been reported to say that as president he would renew ties with Iran and review the peace treaty with Israel.

And what is wrong with including this? Hcobb (talk) 17:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Probably nothing. The article should/will be heavily expanded anyway on policy positions, among other things. Trinitresque (talk) 17:44, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Ties with Iran

Egypt denies Morsi gave interview to Iran's Fars agency "The Egyptian presidency on Monday denied that president-elect Mohamed Morsi gave an interview to Iran's Fars news agency, in which he reportedly pledged to strengthen ties with the Islamic republic." http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/46170/World/Region/Egypt-denies-Morsi-gave-interview-to-Irans-Fars-ag.aspx

So apparently he did not mention wanting to improve ties with Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turnopoems (talk • contribs) 23:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I stand corrected. I'll remove the Jerusalem Post source. Trinitresque (talk) 00:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Morsi the humanitarian

I deleted the spin doctoring someone added, ascribing (in the words of Morsi's publicists and spokespeople) "humanitarian reasons" to "explain" why Morsi is calling for the release of the terrorist mastermind. In the speech to the cheering crowd Morsi didn't say he was calling for the release for "humanitarian reasons" in fact, the tone was quite belligerent and the context was that he was calling for his release because, in his mind, the terrorist mastermind is one of the good guys (!). I submit that those who think that it's "humanitarian" to release the terrorist mastermind consider what the following people would say to that, if they could:

Monica Smith age 35, a secretary, who was seven months pregnant, was in her office checking time sheets in the B-2 level. Robert (Bob) Kirkpatrick, age 61, a locksmith, was eating lunch in a room next to Smith's office. Bill Macko, age 47, maintenance worker, was also eating lunch. Stephen Knapp, age 48, maintenance supervisor, was eating lunch with Macko and Kirkpatrick. John DiGiovanni, age 45, a dental products salesperson, was parking in the underground garage. Wilfredo Mercado, age 37, a receiving agent for Windows on the World restaurant, was checking in deliveries.

Let's let the speech speak for itself, and leave the publicist/spokespeople spin out or our encyclopedia, I'd say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.10.29 (talk) 03:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Your argument is completely beside the point. It doesn't matter if it is ridiculous or not to request that a man be released under humanitarian reasons for Wikipedia's purposes. And it doesn't matter if you think the clarification is spin doctoring. It is either way clearly an attempt to clarify what was said by Morsi. And is it relelvant? In this case, definitely. Morsi said that he would try to release Abdel-Rahman, then the spokesperson said that Morsi would specifically try to have him extradited to Egypt on humanitarian grounds, and that it does not mean that Morsi considers him a political prisoner or that he would try to overturn his conviction. That's relevant. Both you and I disagree with Morsi, but it's still relevant. Trinitresque (talk) 04:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Though I am indeed of the personal opinion that it is ridiculous to argue for the release of a convicted psycho mass murderer based on "humanitarian reasons" (recall the 2009 "compassionate release" of Pan Am Lockerbie terrorist Megrahi to Libya, and the 2008 release of terrorist Kuntar to Lebanon - both of which found the terrorists unrepentant and praising terrorist acts after their release) that was not my point. Rather, my point was that it is ridiculous for Wikipedia to parrot the spokesman's spin, when, upon looking at the actual stories reporting on the speech, it was obvious that humanitarian reasons had nothing to do with it. Rather sympathy for what the man did, is it.

Res Ipsa Loquitur. A similar spin was put above to the "honor the treaties" business - he said "he will honor all treaties" and westerners (as well as journalists and Morsi spokespeople) are rushing to add that he "must mean" the treaty with Israel too (wishfull thinking). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.14.169 (talk) 06:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

As Wikipedia editors, it's not our job to decide what is and what isn't spin. If something is relevant, we include it in an article. And the comment made by the spokesperson is definitely relevant. If you find a reliable source that describes the comment as spin doctoring, then that can be included in the article as well, after the comment is included. Trinitresque (talk) 06:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Is Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh his new vice-president?

I haven't found anything on the net, but his article and the Vice President of Egypt article now claim so, after an unsourced edit by an anonymous IP. Is that true? -- megA (talk) 16:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: AS I see, this has already been reverted over here, so I'll do the same over there... -- megA (talk) 16:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Presidency succeeded by Ahmedinjad? Seriously?

Am I authorized to delete that immature addidtion under incumbent? 99.6.4.126 (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)