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Gernoki is not pasta

Gernoki theys the potatoes nots the pastas--Biebersbro (talk) 06:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gnocchi Video Recipes

Hi - I go around to different people's homes and restaurants and film them cooking different dishes for a web site called realmeals.tv. I have an amazing gnocchi recipe which I posted here but the moderators took it down. The link was pretty relevant, and I left the name of my site off the link text. Would anyone in the gnocchi loving community mind if I reposted this?

Hi,

I checked the link you posted, it didn't work, plus the site is clearly a commercial venture. I also looked at your contribution history and found a half a dozen 'similar' :tenuous links to the same site!! The Wikipedia policy on external links is quite clear. Wikipedia:External Links

SallyBoseman 21:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sally -- here's the link again -- maybe it will work for you this time: http://realmeals.tv/pro-meals.aspx?bcpid=370512133&bclid=716053089&bctid=353505719

Also -- here's a letter I posted to Joe Smack's page -- he also removed my links... just food for thought...

Hi, Joe - I film people cooking. Regular people. Professional chefs. Anyone who's got something to cook, I film it. What has emerged is a unique and rapidly growing collection of 3-5 minute video recipes - part cooking show, part reality tv, part documentary. It's comprehensive and pretty unique. The ultimate value is that these recipes will be recorded, tied to these chefs, and shared in perpetuity. I post these videos on a web site called realmeals.tv, which is a pretty new site. Two weeks ago I went out and filmed a 75 year old Jewish grandmother holocaust survivor sharing her matzah ball soup, gefilte fish and other passover recipes. I had used wikipedia to decide how I was going to spell gefilte and matzah on realmeals, and after the films were edited I decided to post links to the videos in the wikipedia pages I'd consulted. I thought that a video recipe could be really useful for people who want to know how to make matzah balls, etc. (not to mention, these recipes are total recipes for lots of Jews of the younger generation). Some people did find the links useful. There were a few hundred clicks to the recipes from wikipedia in the two or three days they were up. Cool, I thought. Not earth shattering numbers or anything, but clearly people found these videos helpful. I see people post recipes in the food related articles all the time. I thought readers would appreciate the opportunity to actually watch stuff being made, instead of just reading about it and looking at pictures. So I posted a few more links. My wife's leg of lamb. My buddy's ridiculously good flank steak. A kid from Jersey City making beer can chicken (very cool dish) and an amazing chef in NYC making gnocchi from scratch. All stuff that really is best communicated in short videos.

Now, was I promoting realmeals? Sure, though I didn't think the links would generate big traffic and I wasn't promoting realmeals directly. My posts didn't say, "visit realmeals and watch someone cook beer can chicken!" Though I have seen posts in food entries that do just that, directing people to big business food sites. The links I posted said, "Watch someone prepare and cook beer can chicken." My assumption was that if someone was interested in that kind of information, presented in that way, they'd click the link. The links aren't intended to promote realmeals -- they're intended to inform people who might be interested in the content... and frankly to help create a fuller and more informative wiki entry. I know that the guidelines say:

"You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it. This is in line with the conflict of interest guidelines."

I will in the future request that my links be allowing in the talk page, but I don't know how that works or what I can expect in terms of debate... And I'm willing to bet that if you're interested in making gnocchi, the video in question would be potentially the most valuable resource on that page.

So, I guess my concern is about balance. The language in the guidelines says that we "should avoid" linking to sites we're associated with. So it sounds to me like its not an absolute rule. If I'd discovered a cure for cancer, wouldn't it make sense to post it and then let the community decide it was any good? Isn't that how this works? Now my gnocchi film isn't as important as a cure for cancer, though for Italian food lovers it's close -- but I do think that it would definitely prove to be valuable to anyone who types gnocchi into the search field. At what point does the value of the content outweigh the appearance of a conflict of interest in the source? Because in this case, the interests are not conflicted -- they are in alignment. And in this environment should the source even really matter? Because ultimately, if the content is no good, irrelevant, or otherwise undesirable, the community will remove it, right?

OK - thank you for entertaining my rant. I think it's a shame that all the links (even the passover ones) have been deleted, but I appreciate all the work you and others put into this amazing and invaluable web site. For now, I won't post any more links to realmeals without putting it in the discussion channel first. Though others hopefully will... ;-)

It might be a more useful link if it actually went directly to a video of a chef making gnocchi- not to a generic promotional video, then someone making burgers. So I've deleted the link.

Good luck with the site though.

By the way, it's helpful if you sign your posts in the discussion sections with four tildes- (see the top of the Edit page.) Somerandomnerd (talk) 16:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian

And how common a dish is this in Brazil? I could see Argentina, due to the large Italian population, but Brazil?

Gnocchi is probably popular in Brazil for pretty much the same reason as Argentina - there are a huge number of Italian Brazilians - AKeen 13:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gnocchi in other countries...

Gnocchi (Nocken, Nockerl) are also standard dishes in Southern Germany, Austria, Hungary and Slovenia. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.217.46.133 (talk • contribs)

So should we say everywhere it is eaten or the primary? One could easily add the U.S. to that list. In other words, are we focusing on place of origin or everywhere that food has extended to?

Starting a list of everywhere gnocchi is eaten will eventually look a bit ridiculous. Imagine if this was done with pizza. It makes more sense to describe its origins and comment that it has become popular in many places, if not globally. The links on this page to Argentine, Uruguayan and Brazilian cuisine look kind of silly, considering. Jsjoberg 19:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any claim about this kind of noodle originating in Italy (or on the Italian peninsula) would require a reference. This kind of noodle occurs throughout Eastern Europe, where it has multiple names not derived from "gnocci"), and in China. --Una Smith (talk) 22:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

gnocchi

Gnocchi is a very popular food, espcially if it has the flavor of the all famous truffle .

Gnocchi's are best when homemade, as is any food. They are delicious small pasta made from flour and ricotta cheese. Once the dough is mixed and is let to rise it is cut into small individual strips. These strips are then processed by hand through a machine. This machine is cranked by hand chopping the dough and curling them into small pieces of pasta. Gnocchi's go best with a nice red meat sauce but can ideally go with any sauce you desire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epapagni (talk • contribs) 06:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The real pronunciation for gnocchi

Gnocchi is not pronounced /no key/. Gn in Italian sounds like ñ in Spanish or nh in Portuguese. The ñ/nh in señorita/senhorita sounds like the gn in gnocchi.

ICE77 -- 81.104.129.226 21:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ugly, inaccurate banners on the article page

I am sorry but this template banner {{Original research|date=September 2007}} states there will be a reason for the comment on the talk page. Well there are no "talk" pages in Wikipedia, the non techie name is "discussion" page, thus the banner is not very accurate or verifiable itself and I removed it. Plus I saw one reference, so it is time for it to go.

All such banner belong on the discussion page in my opinion, because while interesting, they are off topic. Nothing personal, but those things are getting to me. --Rcollman (talk) 03:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can't remove templates just because you think they're ugly. Wikipedia works on consensus and verifiability. I've re-added the template, as it is still, as of April 2008, unverified and unsourced. GregChant (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be more productive to mention what issues need more evidence, either on the discussion page or with {{fact}} tags rather than tag the whole article. --Macrakis (talk) 19:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In long articles or where the verifiability problem is only in part of the article, sure, but in this article, nothing has been sourced. It would be less productive to tag each sentence with a citation request: the entire article requires verification and citation. GregChant (talk) 20:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing has been sourced, but little is controversial. I certainly agree that our information should be sourced, but banners on content pages (as opposed to discussion pages) are supposed to be for end-users, warning them that they should be aware of problems with the information. I don't see major problems with the information here, though no doubt it can be improved in many ways. --Macrakis (talk) 21:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

Lumpy fresh noodles or dumplings are made throughout the Old World, and have been brought to the New World by many Old World peoples. I propose merging all the existing articles about these noodles, by all their various names. --Una Smith (talk) 19:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It might make sense to use the article title Dough knots, which is the literal meaning of several traditional names for this food. --Una Smith (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Oppose the merger - they're sufficiently different and with sufficient independent information to warrant their own articles. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 02:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I use all of these various forms of dumplings or noodles and feel they all have significantly different tastes and uses. Since they are used in such various different ethnic recipes, I feel that the recipes would be seriously compromised by interchanging them. I beleive each has enough uses on it's own to have them listed seperate. (Beverly Johnson) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.20.242 (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Oppose the merger - having eaten both, how can anyone say they are at all similar? Spätzle are like noodles and Gnocchi are like soft, sticky dumplings. TINY MARK 15:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - they are diffrernt and diserve their own pages. 92.2.21.1 (talk) 18:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Oh my Word! Sorry, for getting a bit passionate about this, but how can you ever make such a suggestion??

I'm from Baden-Württemberg, the German region of which Spätzle is the speciality. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Italian Gnocchi. The receipt is different, it tastes very different, everything is different. Spätzle are very special to all Suabians and it would almost be offensive to our culture to say they would be the same as Gnocchi... --84.161.247.49 (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fully opposed* The one and the other have nothing to do with each other. Clearly you must be living in a new world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.21.161 (talk) 01:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the merger - Spätzle and Gnocchi are different in flavor and texture. The backgrounds are different. The preparation is different. An article on Noodles would do well to refer to each of the types of noodles, but merger is not useful. Kd4ttc (talk) 05:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am affraid that I have to agree with those who are opposing the merge. All this comparison made in the articles are a bit misleading. In the Old World, these dishes are actually quite different, the Gnocch and the Spätzle. They have unique origin and cultural significance, the history is different too, it would be difficult to mention both in the same article.

But you can surelly merge Bryndzové halušky and Strapačky into the Halušky article. Warrington (talk) 12:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the merger - Spätzle and Gnocchi are not the same in both taste or flavor. gioto (talk) 07:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the merger. Halušky and Gnocchi taste completely different and are used in different national foods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.70.228.57 (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We better remove those merge tags before the entire discussion page becames an opposition list. There’s been indeed enough discussion.

For what it’s worth, I’m opposed to the merge. Bluee Mountain (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the tags. As stated, the results of the vote were pretty clear. - AKeen (talk) 01:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

North America?

What is the point of the North America section? Is it an advert for a restaurant? It adds nothing.